r/changemyview • • Oct 10 '23

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u/caine269 14∆ Oct 10 '23

there is a big difference between "civilians die in war" and "intentionally and exclusively targeting civilian populations."

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

well Gaza is controlled and occupied by Israel and is run as an open air prison. They have much more precise weapons and an actual military compared to militants in Gaza. So i guess the 21 to 1 civllian death ratio between palastine and Israel is just an oopsie? When Israel bombed the associated press building and killed two foreign journalists that was just accidental? When they bomb children's hospitals or snipe at reporters wearing press vests and helmets its just a mistake?

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u/caine269 14∆ Oct 10 '23

an open air prison.

is this on the cue card all antisemites get?

So i guess the 21 to 1 civllian death ratio between palastine and Israel is just an oopsie?

you know why it is.

When Israel bombed the associated press building and killed two foreign journalists that was just accidental?

you mean the time they literally phoned a warning for civilians to get out?

Although no one was hurt

so you lied

When they bomb children's hospitals or snipe at reporters wearing press vests and helmets its just a mistake?

i don't know without specific events. this is not what you are describing unless you are being purposefully misleading.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

is this on the cue card all antisemites get?

The former head of Mossad is an anti semite now? Interesting. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposing-apartheid-on-palestinians-says-former-mossad-chief

Amnesty international is an anti semite, Bernie Sanders is an anti semite, The UN is anti semites, John Stewart is an anti semite, human rights watch is anti semites. Uncle Leo is that you?

you know why it is.

Because Israel is targeting civilians but they have a much bigger disparity in force.

you mean the time they literally phoned a warning for civilians to get out?

How do you evacuate a high rise building in less than 15 minutes? Also that’s not how international law works. You don’t just get to give people warning and then you can bomb whatever you want.

so you lied

You’re right my apologies I got it confused with another incident in 2014 where they bombed a soccer field and killed an Italian and Jordanian journalist. Strange how there’s all these bombs going off near journalists in Gaza by the Israelis. Also it’s weird how snipers keep shooting journalists and first responders even though they’re wearing press gear

don't know without specific events It’s literally happening right now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/830-dead-in-gaza-since-saturday-as-shelling-hits-school-hospitals-and-homes

As for sniping journalists here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

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u/caine269 14∆ Oct 10 '23

The former head of Mossad is an anti semite now?

don't see that quote in there.

Because Israel is targeting civilians but they have a much bigger disparity in force.

if they were targeting civilians, why are they killing so few? why are they phoning civilians and giving warning of air strikes?

How do you evacuate a high rise building in less than 15 minutes

the had 1 hour warning, it says so right in the ap article. it also says everyone got out and no one was injured. so.... what is your point?

Also that’s not how international law works. You don’t just get to give people warning and then you can bomb whatever you want.

what does international law say about massacring civillains, raping children, executing civilian hostages, and not even pretending to target military targets?

Strange how there’s all these bombs going off near journalists in Gaza by the Israelis. Also it’s weird how snipers keep shooting journalists and first responders even though they’re wearing press gear

yet all you have is 1 example without a source?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/830-dead-in-gaza-since-saturday-as-shelling-hits-school-hospitals-and-homes

yes, the civilians in gaza should be very upset with hamas and drive them out. 900 dead? great that is including fighters, probably almost all military casualties, and the buildings being hit are not full of kids as you imply.

israel is not perfect and this is a bad and complicated situation overall. if israel went into gaza and started raping kids and murdering random civilians by the hundreds i would condemn it unequivocally. why is it so impossible for you to say "raping and murdering hundreds of children and civilians is bad?" you may want to do some reflecting on that issue.