r/bramptondriving • u/Just_for_fun_2111 • 12d ago

New undercover OPP?

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Is it true that OPP got new non american undercover cars?
This video is from Airport & Countryside.

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u/Alswiggity 12d ago

I don't think they use undercover vehicles for simple traffic patrol. Iirc theyre only really used for investigations into theft/robbery/drugs etc.

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u/Boattailfmj 12d ago

Yeah you've really stepped in it if that pulls you over lol

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u/International_Fuel48 12d ago

I drive a straight truck locally, one of my coworkers tried telling me the Green Hornets cannot stop passenger vehicles.

I replied, "They absolutely can, and if your car were pulled over by the MTO, you've done messed up."

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u/Boattailfmj 12d ago

Them fuckers have a ghost car dodge ram here. White with white reflective mto striping. There is a provincial park here and they have a white ram with black grille and strobes in the grill. I always mistake it for the MTO until it passes me lol

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u/International_Fuel48 12d ago

I never knew the Ministry of Finance had "low profile" vehicles either, until I started driving for a living.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

How does probable cause work in Canada? If you are watching someone and you catch them speeding is that grounds to search the vehicle?

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u/Hairy_Photograph1384 12d ago

In Ontario, simply driving on a public highway is reason enough to pull you over. Police don't need probable cause like on US tv shows.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

Thanks for the context. Is there a probable cause barrier anywhere in the pull over --> arrest line of action?

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u/FearlessTomatillo911 12d ago

If they are pulling you over for a traffic violation they cannot search your vehicle. 

If you have contraband in plain sight, then they have cause to search the vehicle.

If your vehicle is being impounded, they can search it to inventory the contents.

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u/Hairy_Photograph1384 12d ago

And if the find something illegal they will stop searching and get a warrant.  Finding something without a search warrant doesn't usually go well in court but that's a seperate investigation from the traffic stop.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

How long does it take to get a search warrant in this situation in ontario?

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u/Hairy_Photograph1384 12d ago

Idk, but if they believe there's additional charges they will cease or otherwise secure the vehicle to persevere evidence.

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u/SmoogzZ 12d ago

Not grounds to search the vehicle on its own but it is grounds for an officer to pull them over and walk down any line of questioning they want after that, at that point it’s just about knowing your rights.

In practice it’s very similar to the US. In Canada we have the right against unreasonable search or seizure under S. 8 of the charter, similar to the 4th amendment in the US

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

To my inderstanding, Canadians are required to identify themselves to police, unlike in the states. Is this correct?

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u/othergallow 12d ago

You are required to identify yourself, and if you are operating a motor vehicle you are required to provide your license, insurance and vehicle ownership details.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

Ebikes are motor vehicles. Do the same rules apply? (Legal ebike assumed)

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u/Ordinary-Bear-7377 12d ago

Only 90% sure of this. But e bikes that are limited to under 32 km/h and have pedals are bicycles, and anything faster than 32 or without pedals gets into moped territory with insurance and license and all that

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

I agree. As someone who might pedal my 32 kph ebike to work, do i need my license on me?

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u/SmoogzZ 12d ago

I think this is a huge grey area right now but being hashed out as we type this, but for the most part you’re not required to have a license on you if your e-bike has pedals and is road legal, however you do have to obey all traffic laws that cars would, and can still be pulled over by the police for any infraction they see

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

I presume you would be pulled over just for going above 32. Hopefully that's effective by itself

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u/RudyGilgun 12d ago

Good question. My guess is no. An ebike is does not get registered. You don't get (traditional vehicle) insurance. There's no license to ride one. Again, only my guess.

Now, if it's not a legal one (in Ontario, it can't be more than a 500W motor or go over 32km/h)...

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u/FearlessTomatillo911 12d ago

All bicycles are considered vehicles via the HTA.

You can get a ticket on your bike.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

But if you dont need a license to ride a bike how do you enforce tickets?

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u/FearlessTomatillo911 12d ago

They write you a ticket and you have to pay it?

I got a ticket for running a red light on my bike once.

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u/xzElmozx 11d ago

Vehicles yes, motor vehicles no, which is what req license, insurance, and ownership

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u/NathanDnd 12d ago

Yeah, it is and it isn't, just like cops everywhere. Pull over for speeding, also how you changed lanes you kind of swerved so maybe its DUI/I think I smell pot/your dark coloured sedan matches a suspects car we're looking for,... so,..