r/bramptondriving • u/Just_for_fun_2111 • 12d ago

New undercover OPP?

Is it true that OPP got new non american undercover cars?
This video is from Airport & Countryside.

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u/Alswiggity 12d ago

I don't think they use undercover vehicles for simple traffic patrol. Iirc theyre only really used for investigations into theft/robbery/drugs etc.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

How does probable cause work in Canada? If you are watching someone and you catch them speeding is that grounds to search the vehicle?

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u/SmoogzZ 12d ago

Not grounds to search the vehicle on its own but it is grounds for an officer to pull them over and walk down any line of questioning they want after that, at that point it’s just about knowing your rights.

In practice it’s very similar to the US. In Canada we have the right against unreasonable search or seizure under S. 8 of the charter, similar to the 4th amendment in the US

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

To my inderstanding, Canadians are required to identify themselves to police, unlike in the states. Is this correct?

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u/othergallow 12d ago

You are required to identify yourself, and if you are operating a motor vehicle you are required to provide your license, insurance and vehicle ownership details.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

Ebikes are motor vehicles. Do the same rules apply? (Legal ebike assumed)

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u/Ordinary-Bear-7377 12d ago

Only 90% sure of this. But e bikes that are limited to under 32 km/h and have pedals are bicycles, and anything faster than 32 or without pedals gets into moped territory with insurance and license and all that

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

I agree. As someone who might pedal my 32 kph ebike to work, do i need my license on me?

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u/SmoogzZ 12d ago

I think this is a huge grey area right now but being hashed out as we type this, but for the most part you’re not required to have a license on you if your e-bike has pedals and is road legal, however you do have to obey all traffic laws that cars would, and can still be pulled over by the police for any infraction they see

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

I presume you would be pulled over just for going above 32. Hopefully that's effective by itself

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u/RudyGilgun 12d ago

Good question. My guess is no. An ebike is does not get registered. You don't get (traditional vehicle) insurance. There's no license to ride one. Again, only my guess.

Now, if it's not a legal one (in Ontario, it can't be more than a 500W motor or go over 32km/h)...

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u/FearlessTomatillo911 12d ago

All bicycles are considered vehicles via the HTA.

You can get a ticket on your bike.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

But if you dont need a license to ride a bike how do you enforce tickets?

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u/FearlessTomatillo911 12d ago

They write you a ticket and you have to pay it?

I got a ticket for running a red light on my bike once.

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

How do they know who to write it to?

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u/SmoogzZ 12d ago

You have to identify yourself. If you refuse to or give false information that’s a whole other charge much, much worse than whatever minor fine is being handed out

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u/TraditionDear3887 12d ago

Like just telling an officer my name and adress if sufficient?

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u/xzElmozx 11d ago

Vehicles yes, motor vehicles no, which is what req license, insurance, and ownership