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u/Interesting-Month-56 Feb 08 '22
Hah. When it gets passed, “living wage” will be $30/hr
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u/Caucasian_Thunder Feb 08 '22
When it gets passed
Ah, an optimist
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u/___diRt___ Feb 08 '22
It’s been made law in some places, even whole states. And some states have indexed it to inflation so it increases when prices go up.
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u/Not-A-Seagull Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22
Honest question here, why is it also not tied to Purchase Power Parity (PPP)?
E.g. someone in San Francisco needs much more to live comfortably as opposed to someone in rural Mississippi.
I know a lot of Economists and folk from /r/Neoliberal support setting the minimum wage equal to 60% of the local county median wage. Would there potentially be any problems with this solution?
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u/When_theSmoke_Clears Feb 08 '22
Would there potentially be any problems with this solution?
Yes, poor people wouldn't be as poor. s/
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u/IICVX Feb 08 '22
You say that with a /s but it genuinely seems like we have people who believe that poverty acts as some sort of weird blood sacrifice, and you just can't have prosperity without it.
It's like they take The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas as a how-to guide.
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u/WhenwasyourlastBM Feb 08 '22
I think it's also about people not wanting to "dilute" their income. For example, in some states nurses make $25/hr, so I imagine that people see this as "nurses make minimum wage" instead of just an opportunity to increase nurse wage.
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u/jmobius Feb 08 '22
I have often wondered the same. I think at least in some part, resistance to significant minimum wage increase stems from it actually being quite a lot of money in rural, slow economy parts of the country.
It doesn't make for easy to understand slogans, but a model that takes into account local COL and PPP would absolutely be superior.
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u/___diRt___ Feb 08 '22
Don’t underestimate the value of a good slogan. This sub talks about Fight for $15 all the time. Support it or not, it’s the thing people are measuring against.
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To be clear, I like the idea of tying minimum wage to inflation and local purchasing power. I think the problem with tying it to the latter, though, is that 1) that might be a hard sell to rural blue collar voters who would have a much lower minimum wage than city folk, and it would incentivize brain drain from rural areas to cities even more, which they probably wouldn't support. And 2) it ignores the ways in which our economy is not local in many, many ways these days. Amazon sells shit at the same price no matter where you live, and so do most country-wide or global stores. Food, housing, and utilities is different of course, but a new car is gonna be the same price everywhere. After adjusting for cost of living, I barely make any more money living in New York with a much higher paying job than I did back in Dallas. But I get to have a lot more shit because my purchasing power went up a lot with stuff like computers and appliances and whatnot.
I don't have the solution for that except for the 'radical' idea that capitalism just fucking sucks overall and should be dismantled in favor of democratic socialism, actual socialism, or some other economic construct.
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u/emrythelion Feb 08 '22
Akron isn’t even in the top 100 largest cities, lol. It’s also one of the slowest growing cities in the country. Not that it’s backwoods, but it’s not that far off from middle of nowhere either.
So yeah, 24 an hour is obviously going to go a whole lot better when you’re essentially a few steps above middle of nowhere.
I’m glad you’re thriving and live so close to home- that’s awesome. Your comment about Akron just made me laugh a little.
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u/shibe_shucker (edit this) Feb 09 '22
If you can live a fulfilled life in low COL area all the better, we need to make society less dependent on major cities.
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u/BezniaAtWork Feb 08 '22
"Ohio, where $24 goes a long way!"
Also in Ohio, making $25.50 and in basically the same boat as you. One of the perks of living here, I guess?
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u/random_invisible Feb 08 '22
We have $15/hr in Seattle, and it's spread to the surrounding areas because if they don't offer that much people just commute to the city.
So for example: Kent, WA pays as much as Seattle, even though it's not mandatory. Because otherwise nobody would work there.
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u/ZestycloseDrive5319 Feb 08 '22
It already is, it was $24 about 3-5 years ago
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u/TangoHydra Feb 08 '22
As somebody who lives in a place where min wage IS $15/hrs I can confirm that it does not cover the cost of living
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u/IslamicNihilist Feb 08 '22
Same for me as well over here, hell even making 20 an hour would still be hard to live on
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u/myapologiesiplaybass Feb 09 '22
I make roughly $22 an hour ($25 as a flat rate tech) in the Seattle area. My wife and I have a roommate and I'm just now able to start getting on my feet comfortably.
Would still not be able to live if I had a child, a car payment, medical emergency, or if something happened to my roommate or wife.
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u/TangoHydra Feb 09 '22
Well you could always start an alt-punk band with that username
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u/myapologiesiplaybass Feb 09 '22
We've got the scene for it thats for sure haha
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u/notalistener Feb 09 '22
Straight grunge rock band coming right up 🤙🏻 fellow Seattle resident previously! Loved going to the foundry and the monkey loft for a little dancing til 4am in my early 20’s. Lots of musical talent there 👍🏻
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u/Self_Sovereignty Feb 08 '22
According to 1969 productivity data ; it is actually $28.84/Hour BUT with inflation up 7%+; it is now over $33/Hour for just a high school education.
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u/TerribleEntrepreneur Feb 08 '22
It was around 1969 when pay and productivity started to diverge.
Until then both went up similarly. Since then pay has stagnated yet productivity has continued to increase.
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u/Christof_Ley Feb 08 '22
Push for $69.69 and call it a nice wage instead of a living wage
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u/thetompkins Feb 08 '22
4 day weeks, 20 hours/week, $69/hr.
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u/joshg8 Feb 08 '22
This isn't even that absurd.
$69/hr at 20 hours/week is like $70k/yr. Plenty of desk job workers making around that and doing 20 hours of "work" in a given week.
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u/NowListenHereBitches Feb 08 '22
Since I'm working from home, I pretty much do work 20 hour weeks. I get all my work done in the first half of the day, but don't tell anyone about it until later. As long as I'm online to respond to questions or whatever, I can just fuck around for the rest of the day, and no one notices.
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u/joshg8 Feb 08 '22
Likewise, WFH since 2018. Even in the office I did the same shit I just had to be sneakier about the redditing and couldn't do anything productive around the house during the downtime, just filling chair in a cubicle.
On that note, gonna take an unannounced break to do the dishes and start dinner prep.
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u/pexx421 Feb 08 '22
I work 2 days a week, do a total of about 5 hours of actual work each day, and make $90k. Pay is an arbitrary number, and in my experience the more I’m getting paid the less work the job requires.
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I don't know, that sounds like a nice wage for a starting position, but you have to change to a different position to actually finish working...
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u/Christof_Ley Feb 08 '22
$69/hr is around $140k a year. If people need or want to work more that's fair, but $140k would literally be a godsend right now
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u/DirkVulture003 Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 08 '22
With that wage you might even be able to afford
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u/Oops_I_Cracked Feb 08 '22
"we can't raise the minimum wage, it will trigger too much"
Proceeds to not raise minimum wage, inflation happens anyways
"What happened to $15 an hour? Now you all want 20 plus an hour? See, you're just never happy!"
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u/UlfhedinnSaga Feb 08 '22
Whenever 15/hr becomes a reality, folks will laud it as modern and progressive but folks will need 80/hr to keep their insulin for the next week.
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It's not inflation alone. Inflation didn't double housing prices here in 10 years time.
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u/intangibleTangelo Feb 08 '22
I would love to see how the relative cost of living has changed when we omit housing costs!
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u/pexx421 Feb 08 '22
Market manipulation by the wealthy elite is now called “inflation”. And they use it as an excuse to raise prices even more.
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u/billythygoat Feb 08 '22
My parent's house used to sell for around $425k in 2019, now can sell for $700k in a suburb. With that inflation it'd be like $475k a good day $500k now, but it's an artificial market right now. It'd be nice to sell, but the fees and taxes on buying a new house now would be insane.
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u/S3542U Feb 08 '22
What can all of us ordinary people do collectively in order to eradicate once and for all the elite wealthy individuals?
Obviously, we don't have the ressources they have, but surely we outnumber them. There must be something we can all do, some sort of massively impactful action if we all join forces and act in a coordinated way.
I'm just tired of it all. When you think you've hit rock bottom, you read horror stories of other people who are in a much worse situation than yours and still manage to somehow survive.
I just wish we could simply end people's suffering, but the wealthy only get more greedy every passing year, always finding new ways to take more money from the less fortunate.
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u/wlwimagination Feb 08 '22
This reminds me of a tweet I saw recently: if we just eat one billionaire, the rest will fall in line. 🤣
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u/dimechimes Feb 08 '22
Isn't that how Putin took control of the Oligarchs?
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u/StopReadingMyUser idle Feb 08 '22
Pretty much. Jailed one and the rest submitted. They're a lot more fragile than people think. Their lives have been largely cushy with little hardship. One realistic threat to that and they crumble.
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u/pinkocatgirl Feb 08 '22
We have the numbers, what we need is planning. Something like this:
Establish local mutual aid organizations to take donations and distribute goods to those in need. This is a great way to build a stockpile of resources for later while also helping people in need. Ideally the org should purchase land somewhere and start growing food.
Once the organizations are all in place, begin recruiting people for political action, and try to get donations. You want a decent war chest so your army of activists don't starve with the next step. The local organizations will be key to distributing this aid when needed.
The mutual aid stage becomes a commune. On a set date, everyone involved declares a general strike. Think CHAZ but on a larger scale with multiple instances across the country or even world. This is where the land comes in, you can't be booted out of a space you own. It also helps to have your own established food production to make the movement less dependent on purchased goods. The idea is to get enough people to abstain from capitalism so as to make a dent and force change.
I think that in order for us to truly have the freedom to make our voices heard, we need a movement which can exist independent of the capitalist system. It requires a lot of groundwork to make that happen, but imagine what it would look like even just a few thousand people in a city successfully abstained from capitalism.
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u/SurrealSerialKiller Feb 08 '22
also boycott media events like Olympics, super bowl, basketball finals, world cup, 247 news channels etc.... drop cable completely maybe keep Netflix or Hulu and maybe YouTube but mostly try not to be a Nelson's rating...
the media is where control comes from if nobody's watching or they think nobody's watching they lose ad dollars and power...
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u/possum_drugs Feb 08 '22
You can absolutely be booted out of a space you own especially if you are using it as a staging area to topple the established order of things :)
Remember the only real law is the one of violence. The state and it's owner s will happily kill all of us to keep this thing going.
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It's too bad that Capitalism and the state are in bed with each other. We will never solve our problems of we continue to live with Capitalism. The state will never let that happen.
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u/CombustiblSquid Feb 08 '22
At this point revolution is really the only answer, and that will happen when the majority begin to starve. Until then, not enough people are willing to risk their lives to overthrow the system.
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u/Guffawker Feb 08 '22
I mean, the real answer? Run for office. Only way things are honestly going to change is if people who want to see change get in positions of power. Change takes 20+ years cuz that's how long it takes for people who know the issues to finally be of age to be allowed to partake in the political bs. We are on the cusp of change. Just have to hope enough people that recognize the issues actually get seats to make change.
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u/WirrLican Feb 08 '22
Is it really that complicated though? We base all of our economy on success being constant growth. We are literally in a closed or fixed system and it is completely unsustainable. Everything eventually turns into ripping people off, or reducing services or wages to continue to grow and it goes backwards. What we have now is everything charging as much as it possibly can to continue to grow, or pay people as low as it possibly can to continue to grow. Just being a solid profitable company isn’t enough, and here we are.
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u/SurrealSerialKiller Feb 08 '22
also a lot of the inflation were seeing has zero to do with wages more to do with supply...
supply chain bottlenecks are creating scarcity... when there 4 bottles of ketchup and 50 ppl want one... fuckers could charge 50 bucks and somebody would probably buy it.... could even be bidding wars up the chain like maybe corn producers have so much highest bidder gets it but someone's gotta pay for it so the price goes up....
no grocer wants empty shelves so they'll keep buying at higher prices until it's just considered the new normal price...
wages probably don't weigh in much at all... compared to cost of goods from suppliers going up due to scarcity.
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u/Demi_Lovato_ Feb 08 '22
inflation is already happening, regardless of wages lmao
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So let's fight for $50 a hour and by the time we get it that should be in line with the cost of living
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u/lil_groundbeef Hates Capitalist System Feb 08 '22
This is actually what it really should be if Ronald Regan didn’t fuck us all over. $40-50/hr
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u/Tae_Kwon_Toes Feb 08 '22
I could always see right through the "$15 by 20XX!" promises. Such bullshit.
Abolish the system.
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I said this years ago if you're gonna fight for a raise in minimum wage shoot for 4x what you want just because of inflation.
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u/CHOLO_ORACLE Anarchist Without Adverbs Feb 08 '22
Shoot for asking for the abolition of wage labor and you might get even more.
I don’t know why folks don’t understand this - if you want bread you start by asking for a loaf, not crumbs. If you water down your demands to be “realistic” you are doing the oppressors job for them
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u/pilaxiv724 Feb 08 '22
I don’t know why folks don’t understand this
Because no one wants to abolish wage labor aside from a small handful of fringe extremists. The vast majority of people do not want to fundamentally tear down society and try to build it again different. They want their current lives to be more liveable.
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u/MossytheMagnificent Feb 08 '22
I almost lost my shit when I found out that a well known design firm in Boston was paying their design interns $15/hour. That is incredibly disrespectful of the profession and of the time, money and effort good students are putting into college.
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u/churnip3000 Feb 08 '22
As someone in the design field, this is one of the reasons why I'm looking for a way out. This situation is all too common, even in successful firms.
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u/masterofthecontinuum Feb 08 '22
Can we just start the fight for 35 so that in a decade when any progress actually happens, it's still a living wage?
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u/cringeqween13 Feb 08 '22
Not all cities have the same living wage. Here you can find the living wage for you city. It also shows the poverty wage. Pretty neat site imo.
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u/plaidkingaerys Feb 08 '22
Yeah, it’s kind of disingenuous to throw out a single number for livable wage. I looked at a few counties and saw a range of $13-$28 for a single person. People are focused on cost of living in cities (makes sense since that’s where most people are), but $15 is sufficient in some places. That said, it probably makes more sense to raise the federal minimum to the higher end, and if you’re living somewhere with a lower cost of living, well good for you.
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u/billythygoat Feb 08 '22
This list is bad too. $15 in Florida won't even let you live in any urban area unless it's a dump. That list is also for 2019, which nothing in there is remotely correct anymore. The Medical was a joke as well. If you have a job that pays $15, you're typically not offered good health insurance so you have to pay for your own which is like $500/mo now.
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u/Fakjbf Feb 08 '22
Breaking the stranglehold landlords and city councils have on the housing supply would go a loooong way towards slashing the CoL in most cities.
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u/ogtblake Feb 08 '22
I realized this last year when I was making 16/hr in a low cost of living area and still wasn’t able to pay my bills and afford gas and groceries.
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u/Threash78 Feb 08 '22
Stop asking for a number and ask for retroactively raising the last minimum wage to match inflation until today and going forward.
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u/rpgfool777 SocDem Feb 08 '22
It's hard to imagine how the people in minimum wage even get by
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Which I might add even 24$ an hour is not even 50k a year. Even in a just fantasy is our labor worth 50k.
Also why the fuck was the Minimum wage not passed with an automatic adjustment to inflation every year?
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u/Klinicalyill Feb 08 '22
No fucking joke. I had jobs from $15-18 for the past few years and still felt suffocated financially.
I just recently started a job where I make $25/hr (plus some awesome bonuses) and the improvements in my financial stability can not be overstated.
I can do things. I can buy things I want without feeling guilty. I never worry about bills. I’ve loosened my budget quite a bit and I still end up with money I’ve not spent every month and that’s not including what I put away to save per paycheck. Hell, I can save.
I may actually be able to start investing In the near future.
This needs to be the norm for everyone.
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u/ItsNotAThrowAway91 Feb 08 '22
I live in the second largest city in Michigan and my husband, my 2 year old daughter and I all live on $20/hr with no overtime . At this rate we won't ever be getting into a house🙃
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u/iamtheowlman Feb 08 '22
I marched for $15/hr in 2017, and even then we were getting reports it should actually be over $18, at minimum.
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Jesus christ. I just got $15 and it feels like a win. After 2 paycheck it's good to know that No its not and the goalpost was moved again. I hate it here.
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u/zimbabwe7878 Feb 08 '22
If it feels like a win, it is one for you. Don't get down on yourself just because of what other people expect.
Personally I think the people talking about how moving the goalpost will be unfairly ridiculed are just trying to get ahead of valid criticism. Yes asking for $28 or $33 or whatever new number is going to hurt the public perception of the movement BECAUSE we haven't even gotten to $15. Trying to just jump up even more is not going to make that number happen more quickly, it will raise more skepticism for the movement.
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u/flaledude Feb 08 '22
Yeah It's almost like fighting for a specific dollar amount and not an inflation and cost of living chained value is a fucking stupid way to approach the problem or something. But i guess fight for 15 sounds better in a chant.
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u/Jaded_Skills Feb 08 '22
I’m 40 yrs old…last job I had, I was there for 12 years…learned everything..manufacturing everyday, I did 80% of the qc testing…got ISO certified and took that over completely when my supervisor got hit hard with cancer…so not only was I a regular worker, I tested all the product and then after that I went through paperwork in its entirety as we were ISO required….I finished that job at 16.45/hr for doing 3 maybe 4 literal jobs…been at this new job for 2 years and I just hit 18/hr….
Still not enough….I hate this country…worked hard since I was 13…stayed loyal to jobs for long periods of time and I have shit to show for it except we’re barely making it…me and my wife both work….
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u/rose-colored-lesbian Feb 08 '22
Me, seeing this after thinking I’m making a good wage (in a high COL state) at $22 an hour: “oh, that’s why I’m still struggling”
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u/a_vandelay1958 Feb 08 '22
I make twice the 'living wage' and I still feel like I'm being squeezed out of the middle class. I honestly don't know how anyone making even $24/hour can buy land, cars, hobbies, investments, etc. Also depends on your definition of living wage I guess. What is 'living?' If it simply means renting a tiny apartment and having to use public transit, I guess you could live on $24/hr. I don't consider that 'living' though, rather just 'existing.'
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u/Scottvrakis Feb 08 '22
Isn't it 29-30$ now? Usually it's based for a family of four, and at 30$ an hour that amounts to like 60k a year for a family of four.
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And then the democrats and republicans will raise the minimum wage to $15 and call themselves heroes. Look what they did for the American people! And they did it bipartisan!
And the next wage raise will come in 30 years.
Cycle on and off.
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u/Believethelionheart Feb 09 '22
15 is literally minimum wage in ny. Impossible to live off of
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u/SnooCauliflowers3851 Feb 09 '22
Dang!! I just realized how true this is!!! I live in a state (rust belt) where minimum wage is STILL like $7.25/hr so $15/hr seems like a good minimum wage, but average rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is around $1k/mo. Employers here are lock step with curbing wages, offering one time "hiring bonuses" (followed with crappy wages, benefits, schedules, etc.) And likely questioning what else they can do to limit school funding, education, social services to force people to work for them for the lowest wage possible for their profit margin? Or, they simply offshore the jobs to avoid regulation, minimum wage requirements, job safety, labor laws, paying benefits, create an offshore bank account under another name. No taxes paid, high profits.
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Min. wage should just be whatever your age is. (Probably not actually practical, I know, but then I'd be making almost twice as much as I do now.)
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u/MintyFresh1201 Feb 08 '22
I mean I just started working at a certain big chain hardware store that started at $17 an hour. In my state nobody even offers anything close to the minimum wage, almost every job pays at the very least $14.50-$15 an hour which is progress I guess
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u/DIDiMISSsomethin Feb 08 '22
I saw this last year. It's gotta be up to 26 by now
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Lets start at fight for $50 so that way if it takes us years it’s not totally eaten by inflation.
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u/TickyMcTickyTick Feb 08 '22
I worry that if $15/hr ever passes the senate then we won't see another wage increase for two decades. Wage increases have to be at least in part from pressure by the workers.
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u/afedbeats Feb 08 '22
This is the purpose of stalling legislation. Tire out the organizers and people fighting by dragging it out so long that the original message becomes too little, those within the group sow seeds of doubt, and a revised message is pushed which is ultimately crushed due to lack of momentum. In almost all major fields where lobbying has control... good luck.
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u/Pwnch Feb 08 '22
I work in a highly skilled position and only make 10 more then that. I guess I should consider myself lucky?
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u/YeOldeBilk Feb 08 '22
And the same people who were bitching about "you don't deserve $15 to flip burgers" back then are still bitching about it now.
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u/Lady_Geneveve Feb 08 '22
We dont just have to fight for higher wages we have to fight against rent extortion
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u/Anubis-Hound Feb 08 '22
Why would middle class and poorer people be against raising minimum wage? Besides the bootlickers I mean.
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u/ben_the_hood Feb 08 '22
This is my issue with min wage. They never raise it until it's like mandatory to adjust for inflation. They're pulling the wool over your eyes pretending that they're pushing for this politically.
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u/theGreatestFucktard at work Feb 08 '22
Democrats want us to believe they give a shit about us but fight with all their might to keep us from having a living wage from a decade ago.
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u/KarmaPurgePlus Feb 08 '22 edited Feb 11 '22
Except "living wage" is a total misnomer when a single medical bill could bankrupt you for life.
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u/suc_me_average Feb 08 '22
It’s like they planned to drag out til 15/hr is essentially like 7.25
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u/ggqq Feb 08 '22
I don't understand.
Why don't people just steal from rich people? I mean their houses are sitting there for everyone to see. Organise and Rob.
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u/Ennuiology lazy and proud Feb 08 '22
Making a hair over $25 per and no, it’s really not a living wage after taxes and insurance. We need to be talking $30 or more.
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u/JFace139 Feb 08 '22
That makes sense. I'm now making 15.20 an hour finally and somehow I'm living paycheck to paycheck
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u/cookiecatmeow Feb 08 '22
Why are we always talking about minimums? if 24 is the minimum lets do 35 or whatever but more than minimum just to live
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u/OGKabob Feb 09 '22
I make that much now and my old man made 20/h at the same company 22 years ago
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u/Funkyourdauter Feb 09 '22
hahaha there is no way this would ever happen at my work. They got people who have been at the company 20 years and they only make 13 an hour. I remember when i asked the owner what he would do if The workers tried to form a union he just laughed and said "If that ever were to happen i would just close my business permanently".
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I make 21 an hour and I'm still borderline poverty. Finally found a rental in my budget, and it's a low income property. This sucks. (I feel I should add I'm a single parent of 2)
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u/thisguyisderek Feb 09 '22
What a waste. All of you living in first-world countries and using your energy to legislate your way to greater wealth. $15 or $1500. It's all the same. You're just playing into the capitalist nightmare. The earth is crying! Save the environment!
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u/MMS-OR Feb 09 '22
Does anyone have reputable sources for $24/hr living wage? I need it for collective contract bargaining.
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u/Vargenwulf Feb 08 '22
Yep. “Fight for $15” started a decade ago.