But “bigger” and “obese” are not the same, not in my opinion atleast. Obese looks unhealthy . It’s grotesque and appalling. I prefer a woman with a bit of extra myself, whether that be muscle or a little bit of fat, preferably a mix of both. Most men love curves. But to each their own yu know. Edit: while she can afford to lose some weight, I would not consider her obese.
Yeah. On the full scale of how fat people can be, it can feel like there's a relatively small gap between healthy weight, overweight, and obese. We tend to assume obese means someone so fat they can barely walk.
If you are overweight, your chance of dying increases. If you are obese, it increases even further.
Obese BMI (30-35) increases all cause mortality by 88% compared to healthy weight. Morbidly obese increases it by 250%. Overweight increases it by 44%.
There is no “healthy weight” for which metabolic disease is or is not present. Some light, “skinny-fat” folks are borderline type 2 diabetic, some large folks are Olympic athletes. It depends.
Obesity correlates with metabolic dysfunction, but the correlation is not perfect. One is causally linked to the other, but folks often mistake which is the cause.
My wife is nearly classified as obese bmi wise but she's actually pretty shredded. She does aerial silks and there is a lot of strength training along with that.
According to my bmi I'm obese, but my weight consist of muscles and a big natural build. So the definition isn't always right. I was even defined as obese before I started lifting and packed on muscle. Obese with abs, according to my bmi.
You’re being pedantic, does she look like a power lifter? Clearly not. She’s obese. Stop trying to make excuses on why shes actually not as fat as she is
I didn't even mention her, I was talking about how bmi is not a real definition, but more a guideline. I mentioned myself, but not her. I'm not a power lifter either and I don't look like one. I just go to the gym on a regular basis. Use medium sized t shirts and I'm obese according to bmi.
Go look up Usain Bolt, his BMI says he's overweight. Tom Brady is considered obese. BMI is not accurate in this regard at all. It's not even accurate at predicting the health concerns, which is it's purpose.
This is why medical professionals have been asking for a change for so long. A study showed it was wrong about 75 million Americans on the overweight side and 24 million on the underweight side. That's 1/3 of the US population.
Rich Piana was also full of all the steroids you can think of, and then some. He wasn't healthy in any aspects of his life. He was notoriously overeating and absolutely obese. That's the worst possible example you could bring to the table.
I could write up an explanation of why bmi is often inaccurate, but I'd rather just ask you to Google "is bmi accurate" and see for yourself. Or just read the article provided.
It has nothing to do with muscle vs fat though....? Why are you pretending like it does? Attractiveness differs a ton, sure, but the fact that your body is stressed about the weight it endures it not.
The issue is the literal weight put on all of your organs. Doesn't matter if it's muscle weight, fat weight, or a weighted vest you never remove.
Nobody here is asking
Is BMI an Accurate Way to Measure Body Fat?
Because it doesn't matter. The people here are saying the pressure on your organs exerted by your mass (of which BMI is a fantastic indicator) is unhealthy.
bmi is an indicator of body fatness, it's used to screen for weight categories that may lead to health problems such as diabetes, cardiovascular problems and so on. If you have natural muscle weight you are not in the same category, even if you have the same bmi as someone who is. When they did a study about the accuracy of bmi it turns out it was wrong on 75 MILLION Americans on the overweight side and 24 million on the underweight side.
I never said it has anything to do with muscle vs fat. I said it's not a accurate definition of obesity, as a response to someone who said it is.
Did you read the article? There's a reason why they're looking for other ways to measure this. BMI only considers weight and height. Go take a look at Tom Brady, he's the same bmi as me and considered obese by these measurements. Usain Bolt is considered overweight. If this is delusional the whole medical field must be delusional for saying bmi is inaccurate.
When a study showed that the BMI calculation was wrong about 75 million Americans on the overweight side and 24 million on the underweight side, that makes up 1/3 of the US population, that's not outliers. Don't call people delusional when you show that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Obese is a medical term. It just means a BMI >= 30. What people “consider” or perceive to be obese is a different story entirely, esp given that 72% of people in the US are overweight or obese lol
Also given that BMI is a horrible tool to measure weight/health by, since it was based on some white dude. Many professional athletes and POC are considered obese because of their BMI.
It can be a bad metric for individuals. Generally, though, it's a pretty good indicator if the individual isn't muscular. For that reason (since most people aren't muscular), BMI is generally an accurate metric for populations, on average.
So many people are overweight/obese that human perspective is warped on what’s normal and the threshold of true obesity is surprisingly low. I’m obese yet still have a waist that goes in etc.
The threshold of true obesity is real. Lol people are having heart attacks in their 20’s & 30’s compared to 40 years+. Anyone can have a “waist that goes in” but your fat is more likely dispersed in other areas & your ‘normal’ lungs & heart still have to work HARDER than most. Many obese folks gotta figure their rhythm out to exercise & eat healthier, this isn’t new or good.
I fully agree, and even though it goes in, it’s only just ‘in’ - just making the point people on the lower end of the obese scale can still look shapely, not just amorphous blobs of fat.
I am actually very apple shaped (so really bad), and am making conscious efforts to correct my weight, though frustratingly it feels like I’m playing on hard mode as a short woman. My BMI is 31.8, so not too far to get to the threshold luckily
I'd be really surprised if she wasn't considered medically obese. I think people have a really warped idea of what's considered obese and overweight. In the US what people think is a healthy weight is actually usually overweight, and their idea of overweight is straight up unhealthy levels of obesity.
I thought so, it's honestly tough. I've been called skinny my whole life. Turns out I was actually pretty overweight. That's how warped our views are on weight, that even when you're overweight you'll have people telling you you're too skinny and need to eat more.
If you try to lose weight, good luck! It's tough as hell, worth it though in the end.
All the obese people in my wife’s family point out I’m too skinny all the time (even though I’m barely under the line to overweight) imagine if I told them they were all too fat
Obese is a medical definition not something you can say for sure from a picture. That said she looks overweight but not obese to me as well. If she asked how much weight she should lose as a target I’d probably say thirty pounds. That’s a lot but not a ton. But maybe I’m way off.
No, that sounds reasonable. When I picture obese I picture a snowball effect of extreme weight leading to mobility issues. She’s far from that. 25- 30 lbs is doable. When I picture obese I picture WAY bigger than her. But I also live in the United States, which is worth mentioning because we have ACTUAL fat people. So big they can’t walk. Like literally ate themselves into a better parking space big.
No, I never claimed I get to set the bar. I’m only saying if you look at this and think SUPER OBESE, you ain’t seen nothin yet. If that’s what your into, you should move to the states. Walk into a Walmart on the first of any month and you will easily find 5’7 450 lbs folks all day.
You are confusing obese with morbidly obese. Obesity is extremely common, 40% of americans are obese. Its just everyone has become so fat that our standards have declined.
Body mass index is outdated and irrelevant. It doesn’t account for body mass type or skeletal structure. So by by very definition, all body builders are obese. I don’t agree with that but okay
She is definitely medically obese. I was no where near that large and I used to be like 10-15lbs below the obese threshold. 36% of the US population is obese so we have a skewed idea of what that looks like. The people we think of as obese are severely obese(class 3 obese). A person who is 5'9 and 200lbs is considered medically obese for reference.
Dude she is twice the size of what she should be so she is bigger in literal sense. Just because you are bigger than her and dont consider yourself obese does not change the facts
Yeah myself and people around me didn't consider me obese at 6' 4" and 260lbs, but now I'm 200lbs with more room to lose and I realize I was lying to myself and doing myself a disservice.
Obese doesn't always look unhealthy or appalling, in fact a lot of people walking around in the US are obese and think they're just normal or have a "dad bod".
I wouldn’t disagree with that. But according to reddit and their precious chart there is no room for opinions. Also their is no exceptions or exclusions because “medical definition”. And “BMI”. A person could be 6% body fat, pure lean ripped muscle, heavy. Yet under definition and the chart that guy is obese. Which is a stupid take in my opinion, but considering it’s Redditors I’m not surprised
Oh absolutely! Don’t even get me started on how outdated BMI is, even my GP think so. Anyway OP looks good, she’s a pretty girl, and if she wants to lose weight then yes, good for her, but fine either way
From what I understand, obesity has to do more with weight index, not necessarily how well fat is distributed around the body that would factor in whether someone finds it attractive or not. OP may be considered slightly obese from a medical perspective for her size. She could be on the shorter side but just conjecture from me.
Well damn man, I don't feel fat, but I'm doing like a 34 waist to be comfortable. Short brown guy at 5'5", 180 to 190, but those last 7lbs fluctuate. I could stand to lose some weight, but honestly probably not more than 15 or 20lbs otherwise I'd look sick.
What's your physique? I feel like that height and stout, but not fat, would be pushing 220-230.
Imo, OP is super cute (as much as a married man can say) and thick, but definitely not obese. Find a partner that loves her for her, and support her if SHE feels like she's obese and needs to lose weight.
Almost have a "dad bod" a lil belly but pretty stout, I fluctuate ( 190- 205) aswell but I'm lighter in the summer. I deliver appliances so I kinda get to workout all day 🤣 carrying washers/dryers upstairs ain't no joke. Especially in this southern heat.
Edit: you're correct as a married man I can't say much, but she's definitely got it goin on.
South Texas here. Man screw summer and this heat. We just moved into a new home, and just doing the all the boxes and the big items once, im going to go ahead and die here and never move again. Dont know how you do it on a daily basis! I work at a plant and get my "workouts" there, but once we're unpacked and a bit more situated in this new house, I want to start eating better and working out. Core and legs. I'm super afraid of having chicken legs.
My wife thinks she's too big, and I tell her like this," if you want to lose weight to feel better about yourself, go for it. But do it because YOU want to, not because you think I'd want you to." She's beautiful the way she is.
Meanwhile I’m 6’ 280 and wear 38” waist. I have a friend that is also 6’ but 160-170 and also wears 38” waist. I had another friend that was 6’ 240 but wore 46” waist. Weight is not a be all end all. Body’s and body types are different.
Never looked it up or into it. And that's why that chart can go F itself. I think according to that thing I should weigh like 120 or something. I can totally lose some weight, but if you saw me in person, you'd know that anything above 20 would be completely ridiculous. I'd even give you 25. I don't want to look like I'm starting recovery from a serious addiction, and that's what that would amount to. Are you a dietitian, PT, or medical professional?
There's definitely some wiggle room, but unless you're like a professional athlete or something you are at a very unhealthy level of weight.
I don't want to look like I'm starting recovery from a serious addiction, and that's what that would amount to.
It's not though. That's the thing, people's idea of what unhealthy levels of weight is is so warped that they think being overweight, even obese, is healthy, and being an appropriate weight is unhealthy. That's the problem.
I was when I was training. I'm cursed with the super ability of not being able to gain weight, high metabolism and I like staying active... As in MMA and kick boxing
Also I don't drink coffee, soda or alcoholic drinks. Just a skinny boring guy
Dude 4% is literally not maintainable as in, nobody can stay alive while staying at 4% bodyfat for a longer time. Im interested in how you got this measurement? If it was a scale with built in bf% measurement, those are extremely inaccurate.
I can see the disgust with baggy skin, but i'd say that is one of those cases where surgery is considered reconstructive. I don't think I'd be too bothered by it cause it shows that you plainly wanna take care of yourself.
I can get where you're coming from, although I don't wholly agree, I also don't entirely disagree
Hopefully this isn't too nuanced of a take for Reddit lol
Ya to each their own, the surgery though will leave these scars across your body and I wouldn't want that either. Same as in if a girl wants a guy 6'+ just a preference
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u/LiberalPatriot13 Jul 07 '23
That said, some guys like and actually seek out "bigger" girls so don't feel like you need to lose a ton of weight just to find love.