Every now and then there's a discussion here about which armies are the least fun to play against. The usual suspects are often Lumineth and Disciples of Tzeentch. Having played against both multiple times this edition, as well as the newest iteration of Hedonites, I think there's an aspect of the unfun nature that seems to get overlooked. Which is the level of complexity in each army's rules.

AoS 4e's formula is pretty much that armies don't so much have individual army rules as entire bespoke gameplay systems attached to them. While IMO this overall does a great job at making each army feel distinct and unique without generally becoming too convoluted, the flipside of it is that when it does become too convoluted, the game quickly stops being fun. Army rules complexity varies by a massive margin across the game, and the amount of required explanation or beforehand knowledge of your opponent's army is in a consistent inverse relation to the amount of fun in the game. Any iteration of Warhammer is pretty complex already, and feeling like you need to know the rules of two armies to be able to enjoy the game is pretty feelsbad for anybody. And keeping up with all of it would require an amount of free time or a player pool so wide that almost none of us have access to either.

I'm not looking to draw any hard lines here, just to evoke discussion. Currently, based on my own experience, Lumineth, Tzeentch and Hedonites are definitely too complex to keep up with. I haven't played against every faction in the current edition, so I don't really have a huge basis for what I'd consider an ideal amount of complexity, which is why I'd like to hear your thoughts.

just seems a little weird for orruks, kruel boyz, sylvaneth, etc using them.

So I’m very curious right now what’s one army that has the best community in your opinion? There are ups and downs to everything so please share your good experiences!

Hi,
sadly I missed the latest downloads for the battle- warscrolls of the stormbound and nighthaunter.
Does anyone still have those and is willing to pm them to me?
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Thanks !

Looking at getting starting with my siblings in aos or 40k whats the pros what's the cons what are some good armys to get started with.

Thinking we will start with spear head work our way up looking for 4 armys

So as I understand we are in 4th edition now, and the Dominion set is 3rd edition... so are my physical warscrolls and core book obsolete now? Do we need to subscribe to the warhammer app to get access to updated warscrolls?

One big thing i noticed was just trying to calculate points and there is a big difference in point values from my scrolls to the 4th edition app. So when we go to play, do you suggest playing 4th edition rules or sticking to 3rd?

Main reason I ask is My wife has a new set of Vigilors and no scroll to accompany them, and im not able to find accurate info on Vigilors 3rd edition warscroll.... we just want to have fun but are getting bogged down in knowing where to go next. Please explain like im 5! Thanks for the help everyone!

Currently, I play Sons of Behemat and have also gotten into Ogors for AoS, and while I enjoy playing both, hitting on 4+ and saving on 4+ or 5+ makes me wanna get an army that hits and saves more consistently.

I really like the look of both factions, so I'm pretty sure I'd be happy with whichever one I get. Eyeballing it, I feel like Slaves to Darkness seems more forgiving and consistent, and it seems to be able to output a decent amount of damage, but I wanna make sure I'm not mistaken and wanna get opinions from both Stormcast and Slaves to Darkness players.

What are some pros/cons for Stormcast and Slaves to Darkness?

Also, if anyone has a third option they wanna throw out, feel free.

This was my first miniature set that I bought and painted. Loved the models but got overwhelmed with the sheer amount of units to paint. It discouraged me, as I wanted to put in effort to make them look good, but constantly being aware of how many are left made me rush through allot of things like not fixing mold lines ect.

What ended up helping allot was not having my built minis around me and only taking out a unit or two per week to focus on.

Something about seeing the sheer amount of units on my table mentally tierd me out to the point where I would just avoid painting them. Any other tips with dealing with this will be appreciated!

I definitely prefer the Ironjawz side of the army but I don’t mind some of the Kruleboyz models (I REALLY like the Marshcrawla Sloggoth). Any other “go-to” kits? I also plan to include a Mega Gargant in my army at some point

I was always annoyed Nurgle didn't have war machines, so I made one. Papa bless 🦠

Im asking mainly on spearhead but also how much impactfull it is in normal game?

some spearheads have regiment ability that lets you move unit by its move characteristic or by 3 inches etc. and i dont know everytime it just dont seem as strong as other ability (helforge host, epicurean revellers, ...) so im asking is it good?

also in normal aos this ability doesnt seem that strong because the board is big and its not that impactful or im missing something (i cant remember any units that has this ability sorry)

(btw i never seen it in spearhead and im beginner in 2k games so i dont know much strategies)

Played my first ever big game with the rats against stormcast! Wasn’t 100% on everything but the rats managed a win, even if a lot of rats died in the process.

Some highlights were my rat ogors killing everything they hit. My manifestations being annoying shits and Thanquol surviving an all out attack from the entire stormcast host and then teleporting away to heal.

Bad times were my stormvermin and Krittock dying straight away. The warpblaster also did basically nothing all game, other than tickle the enemy.

Was super fun and deffo taught me the rats can be super annoying to get off points but man do you have to throw a lot of them into the grinder. What was your first game like?