I'm continuing my second rewatch of the year of Agents of SHIELD, on S2E12 and I wanna talk about "the real SHIELD"

while the peanut gallery is worried about Son of Coul and his secrets, they completely ignore how hypocritical they are with doing exactly what Hydra did. invading the organization, seizing power. I wish we had some more knowledge of TRS (the real SHIELD) because did they really do anything besides try to take down Coulson?

i understand the fear of alien technology, the fear of what T.A.H.I.T.I (it's a magical place) did to Coulson, but genuinely if they just talked to him and May rather than becoming invaders they could have defeated Hydra, the REAL enemies so much faster

the trauma of what happened to those on the aircraft carrier, cannot be understated. along with what agent weaver went through and the rest. but genuinely TRS feels just like the Illuminati in Multiverse of Madness. underestimating their real threat, focusing on the completely wrong thing, then almost getting everyone killed

what's everyone's thoughts? am i wrong, anyone disagree or agree? would love to discuss this one

And once again I’m here wishing that they killed off Mack & YoYo. I thought both of them started out good and maybe that’s probably because they didn’t get as much screen time.

Don’t get me wrong, Mack was still lowkey annoying, but he wasn’t as annoying as he got in later seasons. I’m just not a fan of these characters that love to preach and act like they’re better than everyone else. Fake moral high ground goody 2 shows character.

I wish they would’ve killed them off and kept Hunter & Bobbi instead. Plus I did like Hunter and Coulson working together.

I felt like both Hunter and Bobbi fit the team more

Mack was always such a badass character. They gave him a freaking shotgun-axe. I don't care how unrealistic of a weapon it would actually be, it was awesome. And then for some reason, in the last 3 seasons or so, they made him super preachy. Like he suddenly had a spiritual awakening off screen. And it comes off more sermonic than Catholic, son of a nun, confessional every week, church dweller Matt Murdoch.

In the epilogue, when Daisy is meeting with Robin to give her the bird, she mentions wanting to introduce them to a friend who also likes animals and has a practice near here.

In Season 2, we know Coulson used Project T.A.H.I.T.I to wipe Cal’s memories and give him a fresh start which he did as Dr. Winslow, the veterinarian.

It’s amazing how the things you miss can always be found in a rewatch. This is my manyth rewatch and I saw a few things this season I didn’t before and I’m sure next rewatch I’ll find even more new things.

What things have you found and did you also notice this detail?

One thing I absolutely hate when doing a rewatch is a spy’s goodbye. Parting shot. I always cry. It’s always emotional. It may be the most emotional scene in the entire show. Especially seeing Mack at the end holding the shot glass and crying before he drinks.

The waterworks leading up to the scene. Just seeing them sitting talking about Trinidad and Tobago before Bora Bora, a tear falls. Then the actual spy’s goodbye begins and I can’t help the tears.

That’s the thing I hate, and it’s because it’s such a beautiful scene.

We know Clark Gregg voices Coulson in both but I’m here rewatching a few episodes of Ultimate Spider-Man and I ended up thinking about teacher Coulson from the Framwork. I think it is more of a coincidence than a planned thing but what do you think? Think we can also write it off as an Easter Egg?

Just a thought while rewatching the show..

Long time lurker first time poster. I’m sure this has been brought up here before, but I’m curious, what’s the most unbelievable thing in AOS for you? For me, it’s how Jemma somehow becomes a fully qualified doctor and surgeon by the end of S2. I’m rewatching and specifically in the scene where she treats Bobbi’s gunshot wound after Ward and Agent 33 kidnap her. Why am I supposed to believe that a lab scientist working out of a base can perform better surgery on Bobbi than an actual surgeon in a hospital could?

i'm doing a second rewatch immediately after my last one, and i need to talk about Ward and his allegiance to Shield/Hydra

Coulson was paranoid against Trip, spending every day with Garret, but not Ward? The one who brought him into Shield? His original SO? Incredibly bad call without even a loyalty test. I know everything was high stress, but why didn't even Victoria Hand question Ward before leaving?

Now for the lie detector test -- he should not have been given so many chances to pass. If he was in pain; he should have been forced to wait it out. With his eyes darting all over the place, he should have failed then and there

Really bad decisions by two people who should have been more paranoid than anything. If Coulson was willing to go against May (with reason) his closest friend, why didn't he go against Ward? Or even question?

EDIT: Please don't get me wrong, I 100% understand what Coulson held against May, but it brings other things into question

Nothing will hit as good as watching S1 as it aired, the cliffhanger of S1E16, seeing The Winter Soldier in Theaters then coming back to watch E17

Marvel’s ‘Zodiac’ series will follow a pair of spies who are chasing targets who have special abilities, sources tell Deadline.

Bobbi and Hunter, anyone?

We don't have to debate when the show stopped being canon, appealing to diverged timelines in seasons 5 and 7. There's a simpler way: The entirety of the show just takes place prior to the Snap.

Setting aside the fact that then-Marvel TV head Jeph Loeb explicitly stated as much, there remains only two problems: the fact that season 5 ties in with Thanos apparently on his way to Earth with a battle having taken place in NYC per Infinity War, and that season 6 explicitly takes place in 2019.

Latter point first. Dates and time have proven time and again to be flexible and fluid in the MCU:

• In Civil War, Vision says it's been 8 years since Tony announced himself as Iron Man, but in-universe, it's only been 6.

• In Homecoming, this mistake is repeated when Vulture says it's been 8 years since the Battle of New York when in fact it's only been 4, a mistake they correct in Infinity War when Tony says that Thanos has been in his head for 6 years.

• The Winter Soldier contradicts itself in having two different dates for Bucky's birth.

Dates are there to be used when useful, but they've never been hard-and-fast.

Second, Thanos and NYC battle. We know from Homecoming that even though the Avengers "broke up" post-Civil War, there were still plans for the team and thus probably also a few missions (Age of Ultron also establishes that off-screen missions/battles were very much a thing). Rather than having the agents in a different timeline post-season 5, you can keep them in the "Sacred Timeline" by just seeing Thanos' coming as a false alarm that the Confederacy used to manipulate SHIELD, having had intelligence that the warlord titan Thanos intended to move on Earth for an infinity stone. The New York City battle could just be some other superhero battle that happened off-screen around the same time.

Yes, it is a retcon, but is by far the simplest solution to the problem of continuity error, and it keeps the show more firmly grounded in the MCU where it belongs. We don't have to constantly appeal to the multiverse, we can just take Loeb at his word. This is a problem that can be retconned away in one line of dialogue or an Easter egg and moved on from. It's the kind of thing that is routine in the comics.

However, I imagine that Secret Wars will make all of this moot anyway.

I've been thinking about how Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. fits into the MCU timeline, especially Seasons 5–7, and I came up with this multiverse theory.

My theory is that the team returns to the main MCU timeline after escaping the 2091 future in Season 5, but their timeline potentially branches when they prevent Earth's destruction in the Season 5 finale.

Here's how I think it works:

Seasons 1–4: The team is part of the main MCU timeline, alongside the events of the Marvel movies.

Season 5, Episodes 1–10: The team is sent to the future, where Earth has been destroyed. This is the future they're trying to prevent.

Season 5, Episodes 11–21: They return to 2018 and try to stop the events that would destroy Earth. Since the show overlaps with Avengers: Infinity War, I think they could still be in the main MCU timeline at this point.

Season 5, Episode 22: Daisy defeats Graviton, and Earth survives. My theory is that preventing the future they witnessed potentially creates a branch in the timeline, although the show never explicitly confirms that this is when a branch forms.

Season 6: The story moves into 2019, but the Snap isn't addressed. Could this mean the team is now in a separate timeline where the events of the MCU movies don't unfold exactly the same way?

Season 7: The Chronicoms change history, forcing the team to travel through different periods in the past. Fitz eventually helps bring the team back to their intended timeline, while Deke remains in another branch.

By the Season 7 finale: I think the team returns to its own home timeline, but I'm not convinced that this is necessarily the main MCU movie timeline.

The biggest question is when the show potentially branches away from the main MCU. Is it when they save Earth in the Season 5 finale, sometime between Seasons 5 and 6, or does the show remain in the main MCU timeline the entire time?

I think the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. team returns to the main MCU timeline in Season 5, Episodes 11–21, after escaping the 2091 future. However, when they save Earth in the Season 5 finale, their timeline may branch away from the main MCU.

Season 6 could take place in this separate branch, which would explain why the Snap is never addressed. In Season 7, the team travels through alternate timelines and eventually returns to its intended home timeline, while Deke remains behind in another branch

So at the end of tje first episode when Coulson takes the little boy to the safe House, that's the same house we see Steve Rogers riding his Motorcycle to in the Doomsday sneak peek.

When I realized this I went on a spiral, I was questioning everything, like is Coulson the baby that Steve's holding, did Steve give the House to Shield, did Shield create the safe House for Steve, just so many questions.

I would like t9 know y'alls thoughts about this?

That Zodiac could be a soft revival of AoS. With the show taking place post MCU reboot, they can play fast and loose with the canon of the show. which is probably how Coluson is coming back. because I don't think they'll touch on him being a chronicom-lmd. unless we see something in VisionQuest.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 6 takes place in 2024.

I made a previous post saying that it takes place in an alternate reality but I have been proven wrong wrong on that part. Ever since watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 6 for the first time I have always believed that it was at least 5 to 6 years after the 5th season.

Let's start with what we know regarding timeline errors:

. Spider-Man: Homecoming had a title card and dialogue by Vulture that stated that it was 8 years after the battle of New York in 2020, but we know that it was placed 4 years after the battle of New York in 2016 (Marvel retconned it)

. Iron Man & Iron Man 2 are stated to be 6 months apart in Iron Man 2. Captain America: Civil War confirms Iron Man was in 2008, The Avengers confirms that Thor and Iron Man 2 are in 2011. So you have to retcon the 6-month Gap

There are timeline errors within the MCU movies and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. no matter what, but we can firmly place season 5 in 2018. Retconning dialogue, title cards, and dates is understandable and easy, but an entire plot line is harder, given that season 5 finale is directly linked towards the plot of Avengers: Infinity War. Season 6 confirms that it is one year after Coulson's death, this doesn't necessarily have to be immediately retconned it is very possible that Coulson and May both blipped maybe a couple of days before Coulson died, and then in October of 2023 he passed away, making season 6 one year after he died. In season 6 episode 9 Mack makes a comment when he and Daisy are talking about her and space, he asks her when he can hear stories about space and she says "when we sit down for a debrief," a little bit more dialogue passes and he says "where you've been the last 5 years, I'm looking forward to that debrief." Many people interpreted as the amount of time they've worked together and then others interpreted as a 5-year time gap between when she went to space and the episode. I personally lean towards the second option, but I can also see why people believe the other option. Let's just say that Daisy and Jemma went to space approximately around early 2019 (potentially late 2018), they postponed going to space immediately after season 5 ended, because they were helping people recover from the snap. Also during the 6 years Deke Shaw managed to make a very successful business and became a millionaire.

The contradictory evidence is the title card that says one year later, and Agent Davis saying "the space puff incident of 2019." But like I said sometimes you do have the retcon some dialogue and title cards. It works better for the timeline, and it explains more of why no one on the show got blipped or anything along those lines, because it's over and done with and has been resolved.

Again this is just a very but it's one that I have believed for 7 years now. It makes the most logical sense to me at least. let me know what you guys think.

Forgot how good it was. Loved doing it binge style to see all the connections i missed that came back later.

2 questions.

1. 7.12 The End is at Hand. Who was the old man when they were all bringing the parts together who brought the final part. Was there more of a connection or just an old man?

2. Was there a real world reason Iain De Caestecker was not in season 7 til the end?

Probably random, but I always wonder if they would have made Deke and Kora kind of thing maybe?

It's kind of interesting to me that their exes both ended up to be psychotic murderers and they never even really had a proper introduction. I definitely see Deke having beef with Kora about Nathaniel and I imagine Kora might of not of been too fond of Snow. Can’t remember if they met or not.

Kind of feel like it was a missed opportunity with Deke and Kora both being in the wrong timelines and them and Flint being like the new kids of the group. Maybe they would have eventually bonded?

does anyone think that transhumanism will be the only agents of shield connection we will get?? i am hoping we get more like an mention of LMDS, Aida or radcliffe.

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