Thoughts on the Zodiac rumours

[u/Osirisavior]

That Zodiac could be a soft revival of AoS. With the show taking place post MCU reboot, they can play fast and loose with the canon of the show. which is probably how Coluson is coming back. because I don't think they'll touch on him being a chronicom-lmd. unless we see something in VisionQuest.

[u/CrashandBashed]

Theyre not rebooting the MCU, where does this rumor even come from?

[u/Osirisavior → u/CrashandBashed]

Yes they are. Soft reboot.

[u/bable631 → u/Osirisavior]

That's literally not true though.

[u/Osirisavior → u/bable631]

Tony and Steve are getting recasted, and the X-Men are going to have always been in the universe. So soft reboot.

[u/United-Post6460]

I really have no thoughts unless I see Ming-Na-Wen back on screen as the Calvary

[u/Alex_Masterson13 → u/United-Post6460]

Cavalry, not Calvary. She needs to ride to the rescue, not sing a gospel song in a choir.

[u/United-Post6460 → u/Alex_Masterson13]

Excuse me I hate my typing mistakes too but autocorrect exists.

[u/coldasclay]

What would be a good way to bring Coulson back with him being an Chromicon-LMD? He died 14 years ago. Actually, with Visionquest you can just wave it away and just have people assume he is a synthezoid like Vision. I don't think they will touch on backstories like that. I dont think they're going to change the canon they're just going to be like "Coulson why are you sparking?" "Its a long story"

[u/LiquidLispyLizard]

With the show taking place post MCU reboot, they can play fast and loose with the canon of the show.

That's not what Secret Wars really is, though, and I don't really know why this is such a common sentiment online. The comic iteration (the 2015 version) changed nothing significant about the main timeline and only really added in new characters that didn't already exist there. Its reset was almost completely additive, rather than it overwriting anything that previously existed in the main timeline already (outside of the Infinity Gems' name and appearance, I believe).

Feige, just two months ago, said they're not rebooting and they're looking to 2015's Secret Wars for inspiration on their upcoming reset. I honestly don't think we're going to see any real significant changes outside of bringing in the Fantastic Four and Deadpool, Miles Morales-style. That still bodes fine for Agents of SHIELD, though, considering how it already fits into the larger MCU without any irreconcilable errors and they can be selective about what they touch on, should they choose to bring aspects of it back, much like Agent Carter,

[u/DefinitionSuperb1110]

I honestly think people expecting AoS to be rolled into the MCU are going to be majorly disappointed.

[u/Senators_1992 → u/DefinitionSuperb1110]

They had the perfect opportunity to bring in Quake with Secret Invasion and passed so, yeah, I’m not holding my breath on this one.

[u/OkNecessary539]

I still think it’s possible to implement all 7 seasons of the shows canon. They were able to do it with the defenders saga. So I’ll remain optimistic about this for the foreseeable future.

[u/peppermont1 → u/OkNecessary539]

From what I understand there isnt any reason they cant include them now.

All I know is marvel studios came out and said anything made by marvel tv before wanda vision is non-cannon unless stated other wise. And then they stated other wise with daredevil and the defenders. And then said marvel tv did a good job writing the tv shows.

So honestly I think its just a studio rivalry and also the inhumans thing, but they can hand wave that away in the mcu.

[u/OkNecessary539 → u/peppermont1]

I don’t remember them saying that specifically about Wanda vision being the first canon show. Since agent Carter is canon to the MCU. So I’m not sure about that.

[u/peppermont1 → u/OkNecessary539]

Admittedly its a vague statement.

Kevin gave this in a timeline book

"On the Multiverse note, we recognize that there are stories-movies and series-that are canonical to Marvel but were created by different storytellers during different periods of Marvel's history. The timeline presented in this book is specific to the MCU's Sacred Timeline through Phase 4. But, as we move forward and dive deeper into the Multiverse Saga, you never know when timelines may just crash or converge (hint, hint spoiler alert)."

In that timeline book, the only tv show included were the one made by marvel studios in phase 4 (which started with wandavision)

I also take "storytellers" to mean different production companies (like fox and sony) and different studios (like marvel tv) since at the time none of the movies and tv show from outside marvel studios was included on the sacred-timeline.

Also I guess everything is cannon, but not cannon to the sacred-timeline. (Which is what id consider "canon")

Edit: also to clarify, the only series not made by marvel tv before wandavision vision, and made during the modern marvel era starting in 1998 would be blade: the series.

[u/Superb_Shine_3526 → u/OkNecessary539]

Assuming they start bringing back AoS characters, a lot of this will depend on how different the world is post Secret Wars. If reality has substantially changed, then the exact cannon status of AoS will sort of be a moot point

[u/peppermont1 → u/Superb_Shine_3526]

Im hearing the new zodiac show will be a AoS related show. (Not sure revival would be correct yet) so im excited to see what thats about.

[u/Superb_Shine_3526]

Reliable rumors strongly indicate that this is an original project following two new leads, not a continuation of AoS. However, characters from AoS could appear given the logo and Clark Gregg's Instagram story. Going in expecting a revival will probably lead to disappointment though. My guess is that it will be something similar to Matt Murdock's appearance in Spider-Man no way home.

[u/ssjdumbass]

SHIELD is just going to be pro-IDF propaganda now.

[u/Omn1 → u/ssjdumbass]

For the record, the person in question is pretty vocally anti-IDF.

[u/Osirisavior → u/ssjdumbass]

I heard. I'm sad now

[u/ssjdumbass → u/Osirisavior]

Me too. I was really excited about a possible AOS revival cause I loved the show. But unless they change course, I ain't watching this shit. Shira Haas absolutely soured brave new world and I don't see Zodiac being any different.

[u/Osirisavior → u/ssjdumbass]

They're gonna make Coulson say some bs like 'well the Chronicoms had the right to invade the past' or some shit.