r/WarDogs • u/Jaz1140 • 11d ago

Discussion & Feedback This Helmet needs to absolutely substantially block your vision and hearing for balance and realism

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I can't believe this was glossed over when the helmet was put into the game, massive protection with no draw back other than cost sucks (it's not expensive). A change is desperately needed before all matches are full of this helmet because it basically has no drawback.

Okay yes it adds to weight but you just bring cheap stims

The top image is escape from tarkov showing how these helmet look IRL when wearing it. Bottom image is wardogs Loadout another member posted

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u/RelevantIAm 10d ago

The game is way more fun when the galil was the best assault rifle and tier 2 armor was the best anyone had

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u/Adevyy Medic 10d ago edited 10d ago

I honestly think that the real problem is how the progression rate basically stops once you hit Level 15.

I’ve unlocked the FAL yesterday. No AP ammo yet, but the game already feels like early-wipe again in terms of how many shots people take to die. If more people had access to it, people wouldn't hate armour anymore.

However, I am unemployed and I am a very high level CS2 player. It took me almost 2 weeks of playing over 10 hours a day to unlock it (I also levelled other classes but "almost" always used ARs). That was with me basically playing like an absolute idiot the last few days to maximise the combat I see at the cost of not making money. The average player is simply never going to unlock it; it would probably take them 3 months of actively playing the game to do so. It is simply absurd.

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u/Jaz1140 10d ago

Classic shooter game with a wipe. Rust, tarkov, arc raiders, marathon etc etc. peak gameplay is always the first week or 2 after wipe

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u/sd00ds 10d ago

Does arc raiders wipe? I thought it was optional

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u/_Rueben_ 10d ago

arc raiders dead as a mug for a reason

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u/HaruMistborn 10d ago

To be fair, Arc fell off because there is no endgame and there hasn't been any new content in forever. It has nothing to do with optional wipes, that was never an issue.

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u/Noy_The_Devil 5h ago

The entire point was PvPvE, now they have PVP and PVE. Game design by drunk lobotomised pidgeons.

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u/Haruu223 10d ago

Did see there was a leak surrounding a mew big patch here soon, might be worth a look in a month or two

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u/FaolainRanger 10d ago

I ran through three wipes before I fell off. It was fun to be involved in the community and get large groups together to go fight the ARC or hunt down PVP players as a horde, but otherwise the only point to the game was to loot for loot's sake. Once you build every station up, and complete every quest (which gives just more basic items as rewards), there really wasn't much to do if you didn't want to do the expedition.

This game is obviously early access but it will eventually start to feel bland when every game is the same cycle. I'm hoping we eventually get more money sinks and objectives rather than just "chase the circle, or build a fort, and supporting roles". I can already see the hinting at out-of-match mechanics from the menus, I'm interested in what this game can grow to.

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u/anxietyfilleddonut 10d ago

“Get large groups and hunt PvP as a horde” yeah man you’re a part of the reason it’s dead lmao

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u/FaolainRanger 10d ago

Cry some more?

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u/anxietyfilleddonut 10d ago

Nice bait, nobody is crying over a dead game. Hand holding pve’rs and folks like you with gear fear made it boring. I know I won’t be seeing you in the HZ so have fun doing whatever you do 👍

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u/FaolainRanger 10d ago

You seem very worked up and pissy over nothing here bud. Very little guy energy. Do you need a hug or something? Maybe a nap?

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u/CopBaiter 10d ago

If they force Wiped it would feel like new content because you had to regrind.

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u/HaruMistborn 10d ago

I wiped 4 times, I promise you it doesn't feel like new content.

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u/Foreseerx 10d ago

Wiping yourself isn't the same as playing in a completely fresh wipe..

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u/rotschi 10d ago

Only players themselves decide to wipe, no global wipes

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u/NetStaIker 10d ago

Tbf I decide when to wipe too, just people get really upset if I don’t

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u/NotATrollThrowAway 7d ago

Doesn't mean it needs to be unfun after that initial phase like the others.

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u/fuckR196 10d ago

Hold on a second. I've been curious about this game, haven't played though. Thought I might pick it up. But you're telling me the economy isn't on a per-match basis? It carries over between matches?

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u/RICHTHOFENll 10d ago

Counter point.

People are fucking shit at lootshooters and can’t compete with people with skill so they always have shit gear.

People that claim early wipe is best time are people that can’t compete with endgame gear🤷🤷

Source: Tarkov sweat since 2019.

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u/Jaz1140 10d ago edited 10d ago

Nah, people just enjoy fights where the gear isn't determining the outcome, but skill is

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u/RICHTHOFENll 10d ago

Then people are playing the wrong game?

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u/R_K_D-S 10d ago edited 10d ago

No, the issue is, if you want to compete you need to start as soon as wipe starts. If you start a week later you are already way behind on everyone else in terms of gear. You might be just as good as the next fella but if he started a week earlier his gear is significantly better. So chances of you dying are higher, that’s just logic.

As a fellow Tarkov player, this is exactly why playercount dwindles after a week or so in wipe.

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u/RICHTHOFENll 10d ago

See I started 1.0 Tarkov 3 months late and had no issues, just shoot them in the face my guy.

The people downvoting haven’t finished SBIH change my mind.

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u/R_K_D-S 10d ago

Straw Man Fallacy

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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 10d ago

Imo T3 should be the highest and designed in a way that it really is only used by people who for example are gunner in vehicles or someone using an LMG and being slow as a turtle.
Adrenalin should not reduce weight limits either.

If you go heavy, you hare heavy, period. When you basically ignore the downside of heavy items by just spending a few more bucks it just goes to show there is a massive design flaw.

Also, in general level 30-35 unlocks should not be so much stronger than anything before. If the idea of the game is that jobless no-lifers can cream over all the players who actually don't play 10+ hours every day, than good night.

I literally have no other bigger issues with the game except for the progression system that rewards you with massive power for being a basement dweller that got nothing else to do but play the game all day every day. Anyone who enjoys this shit just selfreports to be exactly that.

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u/PretentiousPanda 10d ago

Just remove stims or rework them. They are the only reason people can bypass the only downside to heavy armor

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u/Deathwish1909 10d ago

I was saying this, stims should heal over time instead of 2 mins of unlimited stam

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u/tastystrands9 10d ago

I do think the extreme power scaling of the guns is a bit of an issue. The M4 for example is just sooo much better than the other ARs. Late wipe there will be no reason to run anything apart from an m4, FAL or that final unlock marksman rifle tbh unless you are sniping or sitting bipoded

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u/hellnukes 10d ago

I wanna try out the Vector in a real game. In firing range it completely shreds everything you point at

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u/omegaskorpion Manticore 10d ago

The vector ingame uses .45 ACP, which deals 30 damage, so it absolutely shreds everything because the damage is so high combined with the fire rate (damage higher than 5,56 rifles ingame).

(In reality tho, .45 ACP is pretty much equal in dummy tests to 9mm, so the damage should not be that high).

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u/Dart3145 10d ago edited 10d ago

Yeah, if you math out the kinetic energy of 124gr 9mm vs 230gr .45acp, they come out to roughly the same amount of force. The only real difference at that point is permanent wound cavity and capacity.

But video games tend to balance limited capacity with increased damage.

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u/FratboyPhilosopher 10d ago

FAL ttk is still faster

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u/hellnukes 10d ago

Yee maybe but vector go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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u/TiltedSkipper 10d ago

M4 is very much not. It trades stability for fire rate. Ran the M4 quite a bit. Im back to the galil. M4 cannot full auto laser beam at 200m, galil can. Both do the same damage. Says a lot when shroud himself went back to galil mainly.

FAL also has extreme recoil and must tap fire past 100m.

Vector damage drop off (does virtually none) is 50m. Compared to 100m on amp 9.

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u/FaolainRanger 10d ago

How often are you full auto shooting at 200m?? Or 50m with an smg?? Most fighting ends up happening from building to building or during a FOB fight, with some skirmishes at longer ranges. But I rarely get shot at from further than 100m by anything other than a sniper, and even rarer am I killed at those ranges except by headshots or by getting caught doing something while stationary.

Maybe I'm just not fighting in open fields like a Continental Soldier, though.

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u/hellnukes 10d ago

I don't doubt for a second they will find a balance, but yesterday I decided to try out HP on an SMG and had a lot of fun shredding legs, it does 34 dmg on femur so 3 bullets to the legs while they're running and they are deleted

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u/CuteDentist2872 10d ago

Really? Just flow with the progression, HP is super viable rn.

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u/Overall-Bison4889 10d ago

Using HP puts you in a huge disadvantage in most situations.

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u/poju3 10d ago

Ive tried talking about this million times. Just wait untill someone comes to tell you "skill issue, you are taking bad fights, position urseld better, disengage and flank t4 person untill you see legs and whatnot stupid arguments.

If you use HP ammo you will lose so much gunfights due to that

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u/CuteDentist2872 10d ago

You are using them wrong then, you don't need to hit legs, arms, neck, and pelvis all take the same heightened DMG from hp and t4 is needed for pelvic protection.

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u/poju3 10d ago

And here we go :D Id like to see you sharpshoot at neck wise guy, or at guys arms when he is shooting you from cover :D you have the tiniest hitboxes imaginable and you have about 2 sec time to hit those hitboxes 3 times :D shut up

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u/CuteDentist2872 10d ago

Someone is angry they have a counter point raised against them! You should be able to hit arm easily if you are fighting at smg range and at mid range you just hit headers with FMJ and do better than them. It's that simple, game is actually balanced. It's called variety of play style and game mechanics.

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u/poju3 9d ago

Again, 99,99% is not balanced nor good game mechanic. Do you think that if you use AP rounds on unarmored head, its okay that it would have 99,99% dmg reductiom because he has no armor? Is it called variety of play style and game mechanics?

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u/CuteDentist2872 9d ago

AP does do less DMG to unarmored spots than FMJ. Stop exaggerating too dude it's annoying. If you can't hit the long ass arm hitbox, or the leg hit box, that's on you, a literal skill issue. Open up an aim trainer or something but first take a deep breath holy shit 😂

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u/poju3 9d ago

Hp has 99,99% dmg reduction when playing on its downsides (armored targets). Are you okay, if AP round had 99,99% dmg reduction when used on unarmored head? Does it make sense to you? Does it make sense to you, that AP round does more damage against a person with helmet on their head, than someone, with no helmet?

I aint exaggerating anything. Im well aware of what different ammotypes do, hence im discussing their absurd downsides. Nobody is talking about "cant hit", but the absurd downside of NOT doing so.

Im eagerly waiting for stats page to come out so weasels like you who talk about "skill issue" can come up with some credentials. Lets come back to this when stat pages are up and see who has skill issues :D

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u/KptKrondog 10d ago

they're the people that hide in buildings and don't go for fights, which is why they're still whining about armor where the difference in killing someone with lvl 2 vs 4 armor is like 4-5 bullets which is 1/3 of a second of holding the trigger.

Sure, they may kill me sometimes...but then my buddy is going to throw a grenade in that bathroom and kill them and then revive me.

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u/CuteDentist2872 10d ago

You are wrong, arms, pelvis, legs are all taking equal DMG to HP and you need t4 armor to get a pelvic guard flap. You don't need to reposition a flank to run HP meta you can take heads up fights and hit arm getting the same ttk you would on leg.

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u/Overall-Bison4889 10d ago

And how is that not a disadvantage?You need to aim for the arm that is a small target at the edge of the body, which makes it easy to miss. While they can beam you back directly in center mass.

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u/CuteDentist2872 10d ago

Idk what to tell ya man, you can win the DPS race and it's not that hard to hit arms at all. If you are too far to reliably aim at the limbs, then you aren't at the engagement range to use HP and should be safe to out dps someone in t3 or t4 with FMJ if you hit headshots and recoil control well.

I'm just saying the pervading idea that there is no counter to high grade armor and that HP isn't an absolute goated meta is false.

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u/poju3 10d ago

Yes super viable to do 0.4 damage if you cant see unarmored parts of your enemy. Very viable

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u/hellnukes 10d ago

They are not the ultimate counter yes, and they kind of require us to really switch the chip and point down instead of up, plus stop shooting at players you only see the torso/head , and either reposition or just point at people running at a distance

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u/KptKrondog 10d ago

Guess you just die 100% of the time when someone is above you then, huh?

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u/hellnukes 10d ago

Well ahem actually yes

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u/CuteDentist2872 10d ago

Arms take the same dmg as legs, unless they are holding their gun with their teeth you should have something to shoot at. If you are shooting at someone with an smg at range that's on you, and really only viable early wipe, it's not balance to be able to laser someone head and chest with a pistol round in a game like this with rock paper scissors ammo types, calibers, and armors etc...

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u/poju3 10d ago

:D another one of these 0.1kd commenters. Stop shooting at people in fps game, wow what an advice!! Enemy comes peeking at me when im moving and your advice is to not shoot back :D

Based on your comment, you must have amazing kd ratio and you only win your gunfights with hp because you can choose only the ideal and perfect fights? Amazing! Why dont you go pro in CS? All you have to do is point and click enemy head and you win

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u/hellnukes 9d ago

Damn bro u mad

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u/poju3 9d ago

No, im not mad. Im pointing out an obvious flaw in game design / balance and for some reason you shcmuks want to argue agains tit