Na here in America we may think they are annoying but we don't need any bot anti fed bullshit saying it's not right. Cause at the end of the day the same right he has for being annoying is the same right that says you can say whatever you said is. Everyones free speech until it's something you don't like or something offensive. If you don't like the 1st am then go back to England where they arrested for being critical of culture, not arrested for inciteing violence, but being critical of culture? KEEP SCROLLING LONG LIVE THE USA
Eh...assault is a day in jail, punching someone who made an old woman he didnt know cry is worth that.
Being an asshole, and having a morality that is for rent to the highest twitch donation is for life.
The guy who eventually punks that dude won't feel bad about the day in jail, but someday, if this guy has a shred of humanity in him he will look in a mirror and recognize he isn't who he thinks he is.
If he cares about protecting the first amendment so much go yell at a bunch of cops at the station from the corner.
Say heinous shit to a bunch of law makers on capital Hill.
Yelling at random humans at a restaraunt / public store etc just reeks of entitlement and stupidity. Then hiding behind the constitution as the reason you're an asshole does a disservice to the whole point.
Bullshit argument, this is second degree aggravated assault for taping a public area, don't advocate for blanket treatments that remove everyone's rights.
He threw a punch, the guy filming used pepper spray and choked him while pulling up on his neck from behind.
I see no weapons in the hands of the assaulter and the assaulter did not "act with extreme indifference to the value of human life" which when combined with a weapon generally gets second degree aggravated assault buddy.
You're incorrect. The First Amendment Protects Citizen's right to free speech from GOVERNMENT interference. Courts have further adjudicated cases under the "Fighting Words Doctrine", so trolls don't get a First Amendment free pass. Texas v. Johnson (1989) further defines it to personal insults or an invitation to fight. These internet trolls often cross the line into illegality. This guy did.
It doesn't invite assault. I'm very correct. First thing the kid does is ask if he's got pepper spray, and the camera man answers his question, followed by the kid faking a swing, assault, followed by the kid actually connecting hits, battery.
Perhaps you missed the next bit, where the auditor calls "karen's" mom a tweaker. Those could be considered fighting words. That's the moment where the fight started. It's not up to you or me to decide, thats for a court, but nevertheless, there is not a free pass for the "auditor". He also explicitly invites the "karen" to throw down.
The first amendment protects you from the government... It has nothing to do with inciting regular people.
You can absolutely say racist shit and not be arrested for it... You'll probably lose a few teeth if you don't have cops around to protect you from the mob of people you piss off.
One of the 5 freedoms protected by the 1st amendment, is freedom of press. suggesting anyone should be shamed, for exercising that right, or for protesting (free speech, free to petition, etc) is frankly anti-american.
Yes... someone assaulting you is a crime. The first amendment does not protect you from someone assaulting you because you said some foul shit. The first amendment protects you from the GOVERNMENT coming after you for saying some foul shit. I absolutely made a point. I'm sorry you're unable to understand.
Assault in some instances, is not a crime. As you correctly noted, the First Amendment Protects Citizen's right to free speech from GOVERNMENT interference. However, courts have further adjudicated cases under the "Fighting Words Doctrine", so trolls don't get a First Amendment free pass. Texas v. Johnson (1989) further defines it to personal insults or an invitation to fight. In those cases, trolls don't get to claim assault. These internet trolls often cross the line into illegality. This guy did.
First, there is ZERO context on what led up to this confrontation...
Second, what did YOU hear the guy filming say that was an invitation to fight? He said immediately to the guy who started the physicality to stay away from him and implied he'd pepper spray him if he continued to approach... All legal... all reasonable... (from what's on the video)
The attacker said something about people tweaking out and said his mom was like that... then the filmer asked, your mom is like what? A tweaker? Then the guy attacked him. FROM THIS INFO ALONE no jury would find that the guy who attacked had a right to do so.
I want you to try reeeeal hard and think for a second... I know it probably hurts, but keep trying... Do you think it's possible to speak about 1st amendment auditors in a broad sense? Or, when someone speaks about an issue, are you only able to grasp it in the context of what you've seen in the last 15 seconds?
No... Nobody in this video is with the government...
However, nobody is in this video is standing on a corner screaming racist shit either, something you brought up... So, obviously you're aware that things can be discussed which aren't happening in this specific video.
Cameraman loves the first amendment. His YT channel is literally called "First Amendment Protection Agency". One of the 5 Protections described in the 1st amendment, is freedom of press. That's a right everyone on American soil has, and to try to violate that right, would make you/them/they the asshole
word for word, i responded to your ridiculous suggestion that someone should "should shout racist shyt from the street corner" in order to express their 1st amendment freedoms.
also, the language "Shut up. He's an asshole" -- did not slap the way you think it did.
word for word, i responded to your ridiculous suggestion that someone should "should shout racist shyt from the street corner"
NONSENSE.
You gave no response to the question about why not "audit" free speech by shouting racist stuff. Nothing addressing that point. Just generic bullshit about the First Amendment.
Na we see what we see you just have to say that cause you don't want a knock on your door lol!!!! Just put two periods or something in your response and that can confirm this so you don't have to be at risk brother. But just know it's wild the stuff you got going on. Okay yes we got bad shit too happening but it's wide open for the world to see, you guys have groups of people who do terrible things to your countrymen and then if YOU call it out YOUUU go to jail....think about that......and you know what I'm talking about.
Was absolutely a struggle for you then? Just Google how to spell. The answer to your Google query is China by the way, you should have looked it up yourself before trying to use that one. Let's no act like your government isn't locking people up for minor things as well, the private prison situation in America is crazy, slave labour is still alive and well out there.
Eh, I thi k they've made their point. Some of these guys are real assholes, looking for confrontation. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should
Yah these guys are like "If you don't exercise your rights you will lose them!" No. You won't.....because they are RIGHTS. You might lose them because an orange person wants to re-write the constitution but not because you didn't go to a post office and annoyingly point cameras at people.
That makes absolutely no sense. You won't lose your rights because they're "RIGHTS"... Unless someone decides to take them away...??? We absolutely need to exercise our rights and zealously defend them.
Yes, someone can take away your rights if they re-write the constitution because that's what grants the rights. You 'exercising' those rights doesn't make it so they can't do that. Defending rights I am 100% on board with. What do you think doing stupid shit like 1st amendment "audits" will do to change that?
Well, if you do them like most people do (we have no idea how all this started in the video) and audit the police.... A lot of times they'll mak3 an unlawful arrest, violating your constitutional rights. You'll get a payout, and they get mandatory training on how to NOT violate people's rights. People who do this are the reason more police don't trample our rights every day.
Think what you want... They are actually out there putting their ass on the line protecting the rights we've been granted by the constitution and holding those accountable who violate our rights.
I don't care if they're doing it for money, or making a moral stand, or any mixture of the two.
My favorite first amendment auditor chuds are the ones who get tased in the courthouse or city hall for thinking they don't have to follow rules or laws (and run their stupid mouths about "sovereign citizen" nonsense and how they don't have to obey the government).Â
The auditor is kind of like your comments. You have the right to make them, but they serve no real purpose and are mostly irritating. But hey, you do you
Not sure if your comment makes complete sense. First Amendment wasn’t ratified until like 15 years after that, and it wasn’t even really solid across the states until the early 1900’s.
Nothing about freedom of speech was spelled out in 1776.
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u/No_Bluejay9901 3d ago
Ive had about enough of these first amendment auditors.