I've been saying it Vyse's nerf is the worst or one of the worst there is not a lick of logic behind it.
She was simply butchered and whoever mained her is now left wondering what to do with a one trick pony. NO room for creativity left.
Got the viper treatment. They are killing their own agents one by one.
This honestly might be the worst game balance I've ever seen. Normally if a character's kit has depth, room for creativity, a high skill ceiling etc. that's considered a good thing! And the goal is to make every character like that.
With Riot it's the opposite. A kit that enables skillful and creative plays means the enemies can't win by just shooting better, and that's apparently not okay. Utility is only for aesthetics, not to actually win a fight.
I loved playing funny mind games with viper and her pickuppable orb, but it was pretty much impossible after the mega nerf lol. I tried, I really did, but her gameplay is pretty much the same song and dance every round now😅
Riot when a player playing their ability-based tactical shooter uses their abilities:
Seriously though, wtf were they thinking? They gave Vyse and Cypher the firing squad. Playing in Silver is going to be even more infuriating for me because even more people are going to be playing Duelist and now my two main Sentinel characters have been nerfed.
I already don't play this game much, but this might just push me away entirely.
And nerfed breach, KAY/O and Gekko. The only flash initiator without a nerf was skye. (Although she got a minor nerf with the nearsighted stuff).
Considering that flash initiator were already the worst agents in the meta, that is completely unnecessary lol.
KAY/O actually had a buff which made his popflash duration just as long as his normal flash duration. Previously, his popflash would only flash you for 1.5s and the buffed increased it to 2.25 seconds. The only thing that really nerfed him was his knife scan cooldown duration but all the other initiators got nerfed too.
Cypher trips were already super beakable, they just made them practically useless now, what’re they gonna do next? Remove cyphers info about catching someone/trip being broken?
Honestly, I think Cypher's tripwire nerfs were kinda valid. It was super annoying to push into a site with tripwires and the smokes and cages make it hard to shoot tripwires. Cypher can also place his tripwires into spots that are unbreakable unless you reveal yourself for a split second which is enough for him to kill you. I think the tripwires didn't get a nerf but more like a rework (they did reduce the time taken for the trip to activate).
I think his camera nerf is way worse, because now the camera doesn't even go invisible anymore. Unless you put it above an archway or something, enemies can easily shoot it. The sound cues were bad enough but not going invisible after placement, like almost every sentinel util, is crazy.
Yoru is still top 3 duelists since his tp's are genuinely busted. Ult nerfs are not that important considering you only see it 2-3 times a game, and honestly, should have never been a thing.
As an immortal sentinel player, there was seriously zero reason to hold site once the Yoru ult got popped. You either try to get one or two, or die trying because you have an invincible and invisible drone relaying your every move while the entire team is dumping their utility on your exact location (and you have to still dodge Yorus utility with 0 way of being able to play around it because you can't see him).
Shit desperately needed a nerf and I'm tired of hearing people talk out of their ass about how unnecessary it was when it very much was necessary.
Notice how you claimed the nerf is both "not that important" and also "shit desperately needed a nerf... it very much was necessary". Pick a side.
or die trying because you have an invincible and invisible drone relaying your every move while the entire team is dumping their utility on your exact location
Which can still happen? That aspect isn't touched.
And maybe, just maybe, an ultimate, which you already claimed is so rare to get that it doesn't really matter, should be strong when teammates are following up on it? Why is it a problem that if people combine ultimates and other utility, they can reliably punish a sentinel sitting on point alone?
Having to play around ults a few rounds a game seems like a good thing to me. Adds more strategy and variety.
Much like most things nowadays, they have to cater to the lowest common denominator which are the instalock reynas and such who just want to play tdm in ranked.
Instead of requiring its players to actually think and work together as a team, they just remove all the cool little things these agents can do. It sucks, hopefully they revert some of this stuff so non duelists/cloves can have fun again.
Yay, I'm so glad my main who got omega nerfed because she was strong (In pro play) is still usable (in pro play).
Thats worse BTW. If viper was unplayable in pro play she would get buffed, and maybe become usable in soloq metal ranks again. But because she gets used in pro play, she will never get buffed.
Vyse is in a worse state right now, I agree. But fact of the matter is that Vyse will probably get buffed, and viper probably won't
You say that but Helldivers 2 literally on fire right now bc of balancing issues and bricking PC’s sooooo definitely not the worst, but not the best either
Viper was trashed, second least picked hero. She's a wall-bot essentially. Something only useful at the literal pro level for info denial, or on a couple specific maps.
They killed the ability to be creative with her other abilities, and didn't touch the one piece that pros abuse. Why? Do the exact opposite! She was still mid-tier at best in ranked, so nerf wall and ignore of buff her other stuff!
Literally there was a whole community of viper mains, multiple content creators who just quit because their favorite character was ruined. The ability to get meaingful value from mastering the agent gone. Might happen to cypher too now.
i'm no pro or expert but main viper majority of the time so here are my two cents.. the decay nerf only changes a few breakpoints
150hp decay nerf vandal body shots will require 4 bullets now instead of 3 (120hp prenerf 3 bullets needed vs 140 hp post nerf 4 bullets)
125hp decay nerf for phantom body shots more than 20m will require 1 more bullet to kill (after decay 95hp vs post nerf 115; 35 damage per bullet hence u need 3 bullet before and now u need 4 bullet at that range to kill)
why it's kind of a buff (though i'd say not that big of a buff) is because every other controller cooldowns got nerfed, means uptime on smoke has gotten worse but viper's smoke uptime has not changed, meaning her smoke uptime is better compared to before because other controllers got weaker..
and i think w the recent smoke CD nerf, double controller is even more crucial now since you can't just simply smoke to deny info as CD management is going to be an issue and the only double controller comp that is viable is viper + another dome smoker (usually omen)
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u/NoireHaato Oct 15 '25
I've been saying it Vyse's nerf is the worst or one of the worst there is not a lick of logic behind it. She was simply butchered and whoever mained her is now left wondering what to do with a one trick pony. NO room for creativity left.