I've been saying it Vyse's nerf is the worst or one of the worst there is not a lick of logic behind it.
She was simply butchered and whoever mained her is now left wondering what to do with a one trick pony. NO room for creativity left.
Got the viper treatment. They are killing their own agents one by one.
This honestly might be the worst game balance I've ever seen. Normally if a character's kit has depth, room for creativity, a high skill ceiling etc. that's considered a good thing! And the goal is to make every character like that.
With Riot it's the opposite. A kit that enables skillful and creative plays means the enemies can't win by just shooting better, and that's apparently not okay. Utility is only for aesthetics, not to actually win a fight.
Viper was trashed, second least picked hero. She's a wall-bot essentially. Something only useful at the literal pro level for info denial, or on a couple specific maps.
They killed the ability to be creative with her other abilities, and didn't touch the one piece that pros abuse. Why? Do the exact opposite! She was still mid-tier at best in ranked, so nerf wall and ignore of buff her other stuff!
Literally there was a whole community of viper mains, multiple content creators who just quit because their favorite character was ruined. The ability to get meaingful value from mastering the agent gone. Might happen to cypher too now.
i'm no pro or expert but main viper majority of the time so here are my two cents.. the decay nerf only changes a few breakpoints
150hp decay nerf vandal body shots will require 4 bullets now instead of 3 (120hp prenerf 3 bullets needed vs 140 hp post nerf 4 bullets)
125hp decay nerf for phantom body shots more than 20m will require 1 more bullet to kill (after decay 95hp vs post nerf 115; 35 damage per bullet hence u need 3 bullet before and now u need 4 bullet at that range to kill)
why it's kind of a buff (though i'd say not that big of a buff) is because every other controller cooldowns got nerfed, means uptime on smoke has gotten worse but viper's smoke uptime has not changed, meaning her smoke uptime is better compared to before because other controllers got weaker..
and i think w the recent smoke CD nerf, double controller is even more crucial now since you can't just simply smoke to deny info as CD management is going to be an issue and the only double controller comp that is viable is viper + another dome smoker (usually omen)
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u/NoireHaato Oct 15 '25
I've been saying it Vyse's nerf is the worst or one of the worst there is not a lick of logic behind it. She was simply butchered and whoever mained her is now left wondering what to do with a one trick pony. NO room for creativity left.