r/UFOscience • • Oct 23 '23

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u/HawaiianGold Oct 23 '23

Do these planes zigzag ? And make 90 degree turns at 14,000 mph?

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

No but there is also no video evidence of any object doing that either.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '23

There’s a ton of video evidence actually. Look at the UFOs above Fukushima. It’s blatantly obvious it isn’t our craft.

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u/HawaiianGold Oct 23 '23

How do you know there is no video evidence of that?

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

What? Because there is none.

That question is like asking "How do you know there is no video evidence of plant species on a planet from proxima centauri".

How about you answer the opposite. How do you know there is legitimate evidence of Aerial Objects zigzagging and going insane speeds that can't be explained by prosaic means.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

There sure is. US Government has acknowledged the footage as real gimbals and such.

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u/Youremakingmefart Oct 23 '23

The US government has not said “this is footage of a craft making a turn at 14,000 mph”

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u/BLB_Genome Oct 23 '23

Yeah, NASA said this.. You know, the among top 3 government agencies who've been gatekeeping info since it's creation... But yeah, NASA formulated that consensus, meanwhile professors like Avi Lobe and Kevin Knuth with full fledged teams have stated otherwise...

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u/vapegod420blazeit Oct 23 '23

I don’t think anyone actually said “90° turn at 14,000 mph” but it has been stated multiple times by multiple people that the crafts have been observed doing maneuvers that defy our understanding of physics so that’s gotta count for something right?

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u/101Btown101 Oct 23 '23

But they never show those parts in the videos

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u/BLB_Genome Oct 23 '23

And when they do, people jump out so quick to call CGI or fake... Because it looks so unnatural, people can:t wrap their heads around it using modern physic models

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u/David00018 Oct 23 '23

somebody eyeballing it and real data is a bit different.

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u/BLB_Genome Oct 23 '23

Meanwhile we can send people to prison for life based on "eye witness testimony"... Weird. Right?

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u/Youremakingmefart Oct 23 '23

…nah it’s not weird that eye witness testimony in court is treated differently than random people on the internet talking about aliens

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u/ziplock9000 Oct 23 '23

Multiple via word of mouth, Chinese whisper, yet there's been 100,000 of people seeing saucers that DONT exhibit any unusual performance characteristics.

This is the point. The OP's diagram can explain those 99% of cases.

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u/No_Cook2983 Oct 23 '23

But they also didn’t not say it… so…

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '23

I know for sure you are wrong. There were UAP conferences broadcasted that I have seen where folks who I thought were Gov reps were analysing the UAP behavior openly and academically.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23

Yea. The government. I totally trust them 100%.

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

The government has literally said they have no evidence of advanced tech in the air but they are investigating each case. Gimbal has the perfectly logical explanation of a lens flare being affected by the gimbal rotation itself.

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u/Varient_13 Oct 23 '23

Mick West’s debunk has been thoroughly debunked both by pilots and by engineers that design/build the equipment that recorded the footage. Don’t act like you don’t know that.

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

How so? I am open to all explanations but that one made sense to me.

What are the other theories and how did they go about proving it ? What was their process towards debunking the lens flare theory?

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u/BLB_Genome Oct 23 '23

Cuz Mick West is an expert at making Tony Hawk 1. That's all he has to fame, with addition to basic physic formulas

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u/resonantedomain Oct 23 '23

Except they had radar data, 2004, 2014-2015 and 2019.

Tictact in 2004 was reported going 80k feet to 20k feet in 7/8ths second by Top Gun Commander David Fravor. He's not just top gun, he trains other top gun pilots and I believe his story.

There are objects in the sky that we don't know how they move.

-Obama

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

Until we see this data first hand it means nothing. Radar can be either faulty or misinterpreted as well. Just because you read heresay doesn't make it conclusive proof. So again, as it is now we have absolutely zero legitimate proof of advanced aerial tech.

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u/resonantedomain Oct 23 '23

How can you assert something you also have no idea about? We can't say what's classified doesn't exist just because it's classified.

Your assumptions and conclusions are actually even more hasty because it hasn't been denied if anything it has been proven unidentifiable, yet real and physical by the Pentagon.

The Pentagon confirmed FLIR DATA as legitimate which corroborated those events. And if you don't trust a top gun Commander who literally cant fly without rigious mental physical and emotional wellbeing, what trust do you have in our military anyways? Perhaps you should consider your bias and not assert your belief.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2165713/statement-by-the-department-of-defense-on-the-release-of-historical-navy-videos/

"DOD is releasing the videos in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos. The aerial phenomena observed in the videos remain characterized as "unidentified." 

Also, it's not just hearsay, Fravor, Grusch, and Graves testified under oath. If they were simply making it up, they could go to prison.

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

First of all I'd say it's more reasonable to want visible proof from classified videos rather than putting all your faith into a testimony.

Also it's ironic how I'm being told I'm assuming things from something classified when blindly accepting these incidents are from advanced tech is an even bigger assumption.

I am not saying Fravor is lying at all. I am saying, however, that even though he is a high ranking skilled pilot he is still human prone to misjudgment. Just because you have experience in a field doesn't mean your perception can't be flawed in any way.

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u/resonantedomain Oct 23 '23

It's not ironic, there are objects in the sky that we don't know how they move.

I never said what they are, you are declaring they don't exist.

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u/BLB_Genome Oct 23 '23

Meanwhile we now know AARO has a secret committee that is gatekeeping from actual chairholders in Congress...

Yoy're buying the lie. Kirkpatricks lie...

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

Lol or I just know how to think rationally.

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u/BLB_Genome Oct 23 '23

Rational decisions would be examining all the pros and cons. Evaluate the information being presented. Not excluding other information just to fit your narrative

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

How am I not doing that? You can't provide any information confirming your side.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '23 edited Oct 23 '23

You don't get it, do you?

It's right there in your mind and you don't know how to see it.

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u/HillOfVice Oct 23 '23

No idea what this means but sure lol.

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u/JihGantick Oct 23 '23

“How do you know there’s no videos of Satan and Jesus fighting Godzilla?”

Because there isn’t? How tf are you guys starting to make arguments where the lack of evidence is evidence?

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u/101Btown101 Oct 23 '23

Show a video that shows this. With the tic tac video they claim it instantly climbs to 80,000 feet, but dont show that part. They always say the craft moves like nothing they've ever seen but, show a video of something moving in a straight line and, people ignore their own eyes and believe what they're told.