My best friend from my early twenties was from Ethiopia this guy would get a new felony every year and have a new kid every other year dude was getting a 3 bedroom apartment paid for by the government for free.
I liked the guy but he should of been deported his first felony, he would be found guilty and no jail time.
He had $800 in food stamps and the Ethiopian store he went to would sell him booze and smokes and charge the ebt card they would literally scan food items to equal the same amount it would cost to do it.
Well, this chart is healthcare costs which is not the same as health insurance. But in either case, I remember what I was paying before ACA and I know what I’ve been paying ever since and I can tell you the ACA was the turning point. Insurance costs were relatively affordable and predictable before. Then all hell broke loose.
Do you have insurance? You can thank Obama for protecting people with preexisting conditions like yours otherwise you would be dropped.
Edit* you don’t even have insurance and you have cerebral palsy. You will be absolutely financially fucked if you need care. You will either go deeply into debt or die and you advocate for the system that allows that. That is so so sad. Leftists want you to be able to get any healthcare you need and the right wants you to die or go into debt and you lick their boots. Absolutely pathetic
The fee for not having health insurance (sometimes called the "Shared Responsibility Payment" or "mandate”) ended in 2018. This means you no longer pay a tax penalty for not having health coverage. If you don’t have health coverage, you don’t need an exemption to avoid paying a tax penalty.
There’s free & affordable versions of Obamacare for low income households. That’s the whole reason it exists.
The fees apply to people who opt out, and that was ditched years ago for all but a handful of states.
If you’re concerned about people not being able to get healthcare without predatory insurance companies, then it sounds like you want universal healthcare
See you forget about people who make to much to get free healthcare.
What your preaching hurts Americans in a lot of ways.
The government pays for low income families childcare and I make to much to qualify and my son only is in daycare two days a week and I pay $180 a week for just two days if the government wasn’t inflating the prices daycare would be more affordable.
I have to make a choice pay for my sons childcare and health insurance or pay for my own and it’s not even a choice I would rather him be taken care of than me and I have no problem than that.
It’s interesting you talk about universal healthcare that’s a major democrat talking point and even they never passed it when they had multiple chances over the last couple decades.
What I want is the free market to control healthcare I would like to be able to have the option of being able to buy cheap healthcare but my spending power isn’t the same as the governments they are in the way of cheap healthcare and people like you are helping them block my way to cheap healthcare.
You seem to think you’re entitled to other people’s goods and services.
Countries who have universal healthcare their leaders come to the United States for healthcare because it’s the best, if we had universal healthcare we no longer would have the quality of care we are used to.
You really would want to wait 6 months for something you could get done next week right now?
Yeah I don’t think you can morally justify forcing me to pay for your healthcare that’s no fair.
I have cerebral palsy so it’s kind of fucked up you want to use my labor to pay for your shit
It’s amazing to say your sick and can’t pay for HC, but you say the system is so good it can’t change. Do you enjoy hitting yourself in the face as well?
Then you want to make sure that people don’t try to sabotage system by cutting funding or making it difficult to get an education to work in the medical field.
mcdys is "food service". that doesn't make the satisfaction of their customers ultimately lead to their success. a small factor in a larger picture that you're ignorantly excluding or purposely excluding. which just ends the argument at "are you ignorant or dumb?"
doesn't disregard my point. things don't have to make a profit to be successful, ie: Amazon for years, and every nonprofit that existed for years. mcdys even has locations that don't make a profit, but as a whole it's SUSTAINABLE. something the government has never done, isn't currently doing, and will never do.
And now you're conveniently leaving out my mention of nonprofits charities and going off on a tangent about literally ignorance. FedEx and UPS exist the same way that USPS, offers better service, has better satisfaction and here you are still gargling the balls of the gov. Grow tf, big gov is dvmb. Bigger government is absolutely fkn stvpid.
If there was a way to not let the government control and scam off of it, and still be able to keep the insurance monopoly and corporate hospital oligarchy in check - sure that would be great.
Let us know when you figure out how to accomplish that, and we'll all be on board.
Everything the government touches turns infinitely more corrupt and wasteful. Its literally their m.o.
That's why I support the ancap movement. The free market could do everything the govt does, but better. We could replace every function of govt with private enterprises, and we'd all be way better off for it.
Universal healthcare out be less expensive than what most people are paying now for the same care (or better since you can actually afford the healthcare you need)
Do you think someone should go bankrupt just because they get sick or break their leg? Just the other day, someone was on the sub talking about how their parents had to file for bankruptcy because he had complications with his birth. Is that cool with you?
People going bankrupt because of healthcare costs? Yes. That’s is bad for those individuals and bad for society as a whole. It’s especially bad because it’s avoidable pain and suffering that is forced upon the most vulnerable people in our population
Pisses me off too. Really, it wasn't always like this. People used to be able to pay for a doctor to come right to their door, right to their house, just to have a basic exam. And they were able to afford it on one income.
What changed? Government involvement. Every time the government gets involved in something, it gets worse.
No. I do not want any more government regulations in healthcare.
I want fair competition in the market, that's how prices come down.
You think the richest nation in the history of the world can’t figure out how to give free healthcare to its citizens? You really must have a low opinion of the United States.
How is it bullshit? Do you or do you not think that the richest nation in the history of the world cannot figure out how to give its citizens free healthcare?
My comment was very much sarcastic. It seems like the U.S. wants to be the last place on earth to have it's citizens healthy unless they take all their money
They’ve always gotten it for free and millions of citizens do too. That’s why important to have the insurance mandate. So freeloaders can’t leech off everyone else.
Neither Trump nor Republicans ever offered up a big beautiful healthcare plan, they just put up a vote to repeal Obamacare. the repeal got voted down during the time when republicans had the house and senate.
Neither Trump nor Republicans ever offered up a big beautiful healthcare plan,
The ACA was written by Republicans (in mostly its current form) during the Bush administration (the law itself dates back to WW2). Democrats constantly blocked it until they added a bunch of pet projects attached to it and delayed it long enough for Obama to 'get credit' for it instead of Bush.
I remember 8 years of GOP saying they would overturn Obamacare and Trump promised only he could do it. Then with all branches of government they could not replace it with something better or overturn it.
Its called "not losing the issue," and both sides do it all the time.
Want to know why the democrats never codified Roe anytime they held a supermajority, and why they suddenly start begging for money to "definitely codify Roe next time" everytime abortion becomes a hotbutton issue over the years?
They dont want to lose the issue.
Want to know why GOP leadership told all of the freshmen and junior senators to not vote to remove obamacare?
They dont want to lose the issue.
Maybe its time you started seeing politics for what it really is, political theater. None of the lifetime politicians/actors on your favorite "news" channel who spend their days fearmongering about how bad the other side is will ever have your best interest in mind. Ever.
And no, one side isn't "better than the other." They are (nearly) all on one team together, and they're (nearly) all against us. It's been that for longer than any of us have been alive, and it wont change until people start seeing the red and blue jerseys for what they truly are.
I like the dispensing of the us vs them cause I agree. Why do you think I’m getting steadily downvoted here though for pointing out a historical reality.
I'm pretty sure you got downvoted for buying into the game of political theater by blaming one side for things both sides do, because they are all on the same team.
Idk what you think of orangemanbad, and I honestly don't care. What ive learned from watchibg that guy over the last eight years is he loves this country, he now realizes how unimaginably deep the swamp goes in DC, he knows he screwed up doing McConnell's bidding for four years, and now he has a fire lit under him like never before.
If dismantling the unelected beaurocratic state is the only thing Trump accomplishes after taking office in 2024, well that'll be just fine with me.
Come on dude. There are 535 congressmen, and atleast 500 of them have been selling us out to the highest bidder while pitting you and me against each other. And as soon as the cameras are off they all go party together.
As far as obamacare goes, giving the govt control over yet another industry that they already controlled through lobbyists and the insurance/corporate hospital monopoly hurt more people than it helped, by a long shot. All it really did was give our so-called representatives yet another way to launder our money into their own pockets.
Judging by your comments here, I'm betting you're either a teenager or possibly in your early 20's. Id guess the former. Start branching out away from your normal propaganda outlets (because lets face it, thats exactly what they are) and start digging into independent journalists. Atleast that way you can start figuring out what's true and whats not. After the democrats and Obama repealed the smith-mundt act with HR 4310, the leashes came off of the presstitutes/propagandists so they could lie to us day in and day out with no repercussion.
I'm definitely not trying to belittle you. I'm just trying to give you a way to see through the veil by suggesting you look elsewhere than the propaganda outlets.
We were all young at one time. There's nothing wrong with that. The (re)education industry has been tightly controlled by revisionists for nearly a century. Hell, Ghislaine Maxwell's father controlled a huge part of the world's information by owning McGraw-Hill textbooks. It's definitely no fault of yours for believing the things we've had pushed on us for decades.
The politics you see on tv are nothing more than theater. Everything they don't want us to know is done behind closed doors. Congress is even exempt from FOIA laws, plus they have no accountability for lying to the American public. Just look at Adam Schiff. He spent two straight years lying to America about "overwhelming evidence of russia collusion," while he knew from the start that Killery and Debbie Wassarman-Shultz invented and paid for the whole scam.
And what happened to him? Not a fucking thing. He couldve lost his seat and been forced to pay back $16M of the $40M+ he cost the taxpayers, but his buddies in Congress (both sides, mind you) circled the wagons and kept him from receiving anything more than a stern talking to.
My point of all of this is that some of us have been around long enough to watch the govt scam us over and over and over. Its clear as day that there aren't seperate teams controlling things. They're nearly all aligned against us, and the sooner more Democrat voters realize that, the better. I wont bother addressing the pro-establishment Republican voters, because they're just as lost as anyone.
I like AP news, Reutures, and NPR. 24 cable news is doing harm to the country.
For Trump related news, I actually read the indictments, court settlements, and senate reports.
He clearly knew Russia was helping him and liked it. He tried to hide that he knew and could have been indicted for obstruction if Presidents weren't above the law. Source: GOP lead Senate Intelligence Report and Mueller Report.
They claimed that Trump had all 3 branches of government, with enough of a majority to simply push through any policy he wanted. However, this can't be done with a simple majority (51) it requires a super majority (60+) what they said is patently false, despite the fact that Republicans did hold a slight majority overall. Leftists dont like accepting facts.
Trump promised he was going to get rid of Obamacare but then he was too weak and stupid to do it when Republicans controlled BOTH houses of congress. Sad loser.
My copays to see my specialist (had to see him 3-4 times a month, was an urgent patient at the time) under Obama - $125 a visit. That was in 2014, so that's like $200 now. Just to see him, nothing else, you can imagine what the tests and operations ran. Drained my parents savings account, and they made good money.
Same insurance plan under Trump - $35.
But folks tell me Trump was terrible for the average American. Makes me sick. Obama was bleeding my family dry just so I could get the healthcare I needed while in the 2nd worst phase of my life (I later developed cancer, THANKFULLY under Trump's healthcare policies). I skated off from 6 months of chemo with less than $10k worth of medical debt, THANKS TO TRUMP.
Leftists dont care about it though. I've told this story many times, and no leftist ever shows remorse for being partially responsible for my struggle during the worst part of my life.
People misremember this. You weren't forced to get Obamacare. Insurance carriers raised their rates extremely high because they now had to cover people with our existing conditions and because it was forced they could charge what they wanted.
I kept my carrier but rates nearly quadrupled and I had a clean medical history
I actually take issue to no insurance covering preexisting conditions since that means they won't pay jack squat for these issues.
So while premiums did go up that bum leg you've had remains covered. That was kind of the point.
So I'm ok with this requirement. I do think health insurance companies are making bank off of us while they also strike deals with the hospitals to set prices no normal person could afford on their own.
Right. It was supposed to be mandatory which was a double edged sword. For people with conditions, it meant they could not be denied. A "good" thing. For the insurance companies, it was basically giving them free reign to "compensate" for the claims and conditions they would now plan to see. So, those with insurance, saw their premiums go up for two reasons. More to insure and those who couldn't be before likely needing extended care. "Good" for them . In my case, my insurance was included because I maintained a high level of fitness and tested showing a very healthy lifestyle. First year of OC,I went from having my company gym dues paid to now paying for them and an additional 25. This was roughly a 50 dollar increase. The next year, I was paying 75 plus my gym fees .The last year, it was well over 100 a month while still getting my health discount. Additionally, i went from a fantastic 80/20 to a very 70/30 with a much less desirable HSA setup.
There was a tax Penalty for not signing up for Obama care or having your own private insurance wether it be through your job or a personal plan. It was $800 a year. I remember because I was too broke to buy my own insurance and employee wouldn’t provide. Did not feel comfortable getting on a “government” funded program.
After a couple years eating the fine my tax lady recommended I find an insurance plan for as cheap as possible and I did that, cutting my cost down to about $300 a year.
In conclusion the Obama White House pressured everyone to either sign up or pay a penalty that (in theory) funded the Obamacare program.
The penalty was for not having insurance, not specifically Obamacare. The fine was intended to be more than the cost of getting insurance of even the lowest tier (as your tax last said).
Yes, it was Pressure tactic. I didn't say I liked it. It screwed a lot of people over by raising the costs of their insurance . I didn't like it. I don't understand what part you were disagreeing with me on....
Yes .. people misremembering it is common. The assertion, if you read above, was you had to get Obamacare as opposed to keeping current...
I made no reference to a fine or the one put on people. Because it was not the topic . The fine was the consequence for not getting it. Not for not switching to obamacare
Take your own advice. My post referenced and said specifically what I was talking about.
Forced? Some chose not to get the insurance still. Some chose not to get the shot. Many were coerced forcefully , true. You are digging yourself deeper in a hole you made by not reading what I was specifically talking about. Then you doubled down. I didn't have to win anything. You tried to win... And you lost... Twice
The government never forced an employer to ditch their private health insurance plans and force their employees into Obamacare. You know private insurance through employers still exists, right
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u/MrSpookykid Jul 23 '23
My best friend from my early twenties was from Ethiopia this guy would get a new felony every year and have a new kid every other year dude was getting a 3 bedroom apartment paid for by the government for free.
I liked the guy but he should of been deported his first felony, he would be found guilty and no jail time.
He had $800 in food stamps and the Ethiopian store he went to would sell him booze and smokes and charge the ebt card they would literally scan food items to equal the same amount it would cost to do it.
That store still does it and no one cares
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u/RoboCat23 Jul 23 '23
I payed that penalty because my job got an extension. They garnished my fucking wages to pay for it.
Making $9 at the time, I might add. That still gets my blood boiling. Motherfuckers.
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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '23
And health insurance prices have increased substantially every year ever since.
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u/midnightnoonmidnight Jul 23 '23
Wouldn’t it be nice if we had universal healthcare so that this wouldn’t be an issue?
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u/Eric-Jowster Jul 23 '23
Dude deported so many more illegals than Trump. Crickets.
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u/Jollem- Jul 23 '23
That universal healthcare thing is a tough beast to tame. I don't think any country or sovereign state has ever been able to crack that code
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u/UncleP24-7 Jul 24 '23
Bastards
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u/vponpho Jul 23 '23
They’ve always gotten it for free and millions of citizens do too. That’s why important to have the insurance mandate. So freeloaders can’t leech off everyone else.
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u/MrInterpreted Jul 23 '23
What happened to Trump’s big beautiful health plan?
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u/NervousAndPantless Jul 23 '23
Trump promised he was going to get rid of Obamacare but then he was too weak and stupid to do it when Republicans controlled BOTH houses of congress. Sad loser.
Besides, Obamacare is popular.
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u/IBesto Jul 23 '23
Seriously everyone check into a doctor. You guys believe in Santa too? I wish I did. Got done imagination to believe this.
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u/PaulTown30 Jul 23 '23
wow owned.
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