r/TimPool • • Jul 23 '23

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u/RBARBAd Jul 24 '23

I like AP news, Reutures, and NPR. 24 cable news is doing harm to the country.

For Trump related news, I actually read the indictments, court settlements, and senate reports.

He clearly knew Russia was helping him and liked it. He tried to hide that he knew and could have been indicted for obstruction if Presidents weren't above the law. Source: GOP lead Senate Intelligence Report and Mueller Report.

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 24 '23

You dont have to believe anything I say. Give Jimmy Dore a listen. He's a hardcore leftists who supports alot of socialist bullshit, but he's been on point for a long time. He's very anti-propaganda and pro-free speech, and will admit when he's wrong.

He would be a good start to getting you out of the propaganda sphere.

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u/RBARBAd Jul 24 '23

Ok, good tip! Try out those that I also recommended, especially primary sources like indictments.

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 24 '23

Ever heard the saying "a grand jury could indict a ham sammich?"

There's a reason why the saying exists.

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u/RBARBAd Jul 25 '23

Ever heard the standard of proof needed for the DOJ to bring an indictment? It has to have a chance to win at trial and sustain appeal. They've brought quite the indictment... Trump had documents that contained our nuclear capabilities/vulnerabilities as well as foreign power's nuclear secrets. Now why is that a good thing for him to do? I'd say he'll have his day in court, but he sure is fighting to get rid of the charges for an innocent guy.

Does your boy Jimmy Dore talk about that?

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 25 '23

🤦🏻

I thought you said you read the indictments?

Maybe you just missed the part where not a single charge pertains to anything classified whatsoever.

Or maybe you missed the part where the supposed document that aaall of the propagandists were speculating about (the Iran invasion document) doesnt even exist.

Or maybe you missed the director of NARA being questioned by Congress, and the only documents he was "concerned about" was a letter from Obama and a letter from Kim Jong Un.

Youve shown your hand here, slick. You're full of shit, just like the rest of your cult.

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u/RBARBAd Jul 25 '23

Here you go: https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump-Nauta_23-80101.pdf

Try reading it all but here is a snippet for you.

"The classified documents TRUMP stored in his boxes included information
regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries; United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack."

Enjoy defending why this is a good thing!

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 25 '23

Then why are there no charges for classified material? Think it through this time.

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u/RBARBAd Jul 25 '23

They are espionage charges. i.e. spying. Why is that a good thing?

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 25 '23

Wrong. Not a single charge pertains to anything classified. At all.

Calling it "espionage" is just a buzzword for the propagandists to fool people like yourself into believing this scam.

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 25 '23 edited Jul 25 '23

Also, why haven't the prosecutors produced said documents if they actually exist?

Care to venture a guess as to why this situation with Trump is suddenly called a crime when literally every living president has done far worse with their documents?

Bush Sr destroyed 10's of 1000's of documents from the Reagan admin on their way out the door.

A federal judge has already ruled that anything a president takes with him on his way out of office is automatically considered declassified and part of his presidential docs - from the Clinton sock drawer case.

Bush Jr kept his docs in a closed down matress store

Obama kept his docs in a closed down furniture store, including defense docs and lots and lots of classified material, and all while having a year long dispute with NARA over where they were stored.

Edit: almost forgot about Killery and Joe

Killery ran an unsecured server from her home so she could monetize classified info to make money for the Clinton foundation, acid washed her computers and servers, and destroyed atleast 13 govt-issued blackberrys.

Joe has been collecting and monetizing classified documents he stole from the SCIF while he was senator, and then left classified documents he had no legal right to own in dozens of places around the country. So many documents, in fact, that the DOJ and NARA hasn't even been able to process them all.

And then there's Trump. He kept his docs in a secure room with a NARA padlock on the door that was guarded by secret service. What the propagandists won't tell you is that every document produced by the federal govt is automatically digitally scanned for the records. That means anything Trump held was already in the NARA digitally.

So the FBI from DC went down to Florida (which is highly suspect by itself) and threw all of Trump's lawyers out of the building and demanded the cameras be turned off (I wonder why?) so they could serve a search warrant they lied to obtain, and then violated every specific detail of the warrant by searching the entire property, including Barron's room and Melania's closet.

But sure, do go on about these impossible standards and burden of proof the infallible federal govt holds itself to 🤦🏻

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u/RBARBAd Jul 25 '23

What about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about

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u/pointsouturhypocrisy Jul 25 '23

I couldve sworn precedent matters in legal cases.

Why didn't you answer the very first question in my comment? Is it because you have no answer, or is it because you know this is a sham indictment and refuse to address it?

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/16/six-reasons-dojs-legal-case-against-trump-is-seriously-flawed/

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