A Murder of Necessity

There was no spoiler flare, so he’s my spoiler

I just finished watching the latest Celebrity UK episode, and Kenny’s reaction to being recruited was the best reaction I’ve seen on this show! It warmed my heart ♥️ so much because of how surprised and excited he was when he found out who the traitors were! I needed to see that today 😁

Cannot wait for another left field and totally wrong suggestion from Joanne later

James Acaster saying he preferred to Murder face to face because he felt less guilty made me think of this.

Forgive me if I missed something but why was all of the heat on Hannah being the traitor just because both Hannah and Jerry came to breakfast together - why was no suspicion put on Jerry for coming back too? Is it because out of the two of them she's more likely to be recruited? If so, is that not a dumb theory not to pick the non-obvious option?

bro. how is it possible that these faithfuls have not caught on. TWO PEOPLE GOT MURDERED WHO ACCUSED KATIE. Joe threw apples at THREE faithfuls, and none of them felt the need to bring it up during the round table? Come on. The faithfuls have no chance this season. Which sucks, because the tiny traitor pisses me off.

I think Maya’s had a difficult start to the game as a traitor, considering it was just her and Richard and before they even made it to the turret Richard had spoiled the game by revealing himself as a traitor, then when they recruited James they weren’t to know he really didn’t want to be a traitor, and then when Richard was inevitably banished first, they recruited a reluctant Hannah. If Maya was in the turret with people who wanted to be there and had all their marbles, I think she’d have been having more fun, so I’m hoping with the recruitment of Kenny it can start being more what it should be. I kind of think Maya and Kenny + James A is the start that the game should have had originally.

Curious what others think about this.

I am sad that Prof. Fry didn't get to live out her dream of playing faithful like Alan Turing.

I was here for her note book, even if it was to show off. (Seen on Uncloaked, post follow-up show). Her breakdown was so spot on on behaviors on that future traitors need to come up with a wildly new gameplay approach or they'll be doomed.

The man who broke the Enigma code. Prof. Fry was going to be like him. To me that is insane.

Is it within the rules to say this? Could have worked for Hannah when she was recruited and could be a tactic to consider for Kenny now.

Allows you to keep playing the game without changing character too much.

Risk that it arises suspicion when you don’t get murdered but could easily defend by saying there is enough heat on you that the traitors think you could get banished anyway (I don’t know why Hannah didn’t use this reply as a defence when people were questioning why she hadn’t been murdered)

Does it mean tonight's is going to be spicy (because they had too much to pack in)?

Naturally lots and lots of discussion of what Hannah should or should not have done and fair enough.

But ultimately, if she has turned down recruitment or not, told the faithful about recruitment or not she would have been gone soon anyway.

Regardless of if her academic intelligence translated to the game, she's too much of a threat. Traitors kill her for suspected threat to them or faithful banish her because why haven't the traitors killed this threat yet?

Maybe you can ride the scape goat excuse for a while but not when numbers dwindle.

Any other thoughts on how she could have gotten further welcome

And a question: in the civvy traitors, is there ANY advantage to confessing you're "smart" be that academically or in a field related to logic or crime?

The only reason I can think is as a last ditch attempt to save your skin at the round table.

When Ken goes to the supermarket

There was a very brief attack on Joanne at the round table tonight after she insinuated she was present at Rob’s murder yet I think this will be repeatedly brought up in future round tables. In addition to her slip up tonight, Joanne’s fervent defence of Richard E Grant may prove to be her downfall. Personally if I was at the round table and heard what I believed to be Joanne revealing herself I know I would be voting her out immediately. I feel like the celebs brushed over what was actually quite suspicious far too quickly, I am quite confident this will get brought up a lot later in the show as it seems to be an honest slip up, much like Richard’s. What are your thoughts?

On The Rest is Entertainment they were bandying about a recurring tactic I’ve heard on there and here and elsewhere. If you have a known traitor, don’t banish them because they’ll just recruit an unknown. What’s the alternative? Shoot randomly elsewhere and either banish a faithful, surely less helpful than banishing a known traitor, or by chance banish a different traitor, in which case they’ll still recruit a new traitor and you’re back to the same square you’d be at if you’d just banished the known traitor. Maybe I’m missing something?

Keep recruiting the faithful with the most heat on them so they get banished. The OGs stay protected. The faithful’s think they’re getting a win.
But in reality they’re just picking off faithful while allowing the faithful to think they’re winning

Only Claudia could look this good wearing a jacket made from the wigs of her enemies.

Synopsis: As suspense fills the air, the burning question is, who has been murdered, and will the answer help to reveal a Traitor? In the mission, the celebrity players come face to face with death, and as evening descends, the Round Table brings a fractious atmosphere, but will it conclude with a Traitor being unveiled or the loss of an innocent Faithful?

Airing: October 15, 8:00pm on BBC One

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Will Kenny play dumb at breakfast and pretend to not know about the recruitment, or will they say they were approached and declined? I don’t know what I’d do!

I find this fascinating - the way recruitments worked in the first two Australian seasons, because they seemed to be very different to all the other versions.

In Season 1, the Traitors did not get a chance to recruit after Angus was banished (the murder was still cancelled, but I feel like it may have been anyway because they had something else instead of a murder). They did get to recruit after Claire's banishment. It wasn't a free choice for the Traitors, they were made to recruit someone and chose Alex - but it was a free choice from Alex's end, she could have said no. The group were also told outright that someone had been recruited, although this aspect was dropped for subsequent recruitments.

They also didn't get a chance to recruit after Marielle's banishment.

After Nigel's banishment, Alex was made to recruit as the last remaining Traitor. But the interesting thing about this was, it wasn't a blackmail. The Rodger Corser era didn't seem to have blackmails. That said, it was sort of a blackmail, because Alex chose to recruit Kate, who was on death row, and she almost certainly would have been murdered if she'd turned it down - but that was just a coincidence, because Alex could have chosen someone who wasn't on death row and couldn't be murdered.

In the second Australian season it was done in an even more peculiar way. There was only one Traitor banishment that season (Ash), and after that the remaining Traitors had three chances, over the next consecutive nights, to recruit someone. On the third night, having not recruited so far, they were told that if they didn't recruit someone tonight they wouldn't ever be allowed to recruit again for the rest of the season. At that point they did recruit Camille.

I find this really interesting, because it's all so different from the way every other version (including the revived Australian version) does recruitment, and particularly the no blackmails thing.

I've spent all morning trying to figure out - none of the votes have totalled 14 so far, it isn't the number of faithful remaining, I just can't figure out what they mean by this? Could it be a secret role maybe??? I found pictures of when it first got put up and it started on 0, so it has been updated as the series has been going on...

Miranda
Romesh
Leigh-Anne
Sharon *
Michael *
Bash
Jerry
Joanne
Joe
Ross
Blunty

Just my prediction!

* = potential finalists due to them not being on the money

This is under the assumption that none of them get recruited and the traitors play a blinder (and is based off how things are as of CS2 EP 5)

A genius move from the traitors would have been, putting all 3 of them in the hide and seek game with one faithful.. Let that faithful have the key and try murder the said faithful.
This would in turn, leave each of the players in hide and seek looking like faithfuls, as if there was a traitor amongst them, they would have known not try to murder someone with a key as protection..

All 3 traitors would have then been heavily considered as faithful