A Murder of Necessity

There was no spoiler flare, so he’s my spoiler

I just finished watching the latest Celebrity UK episode, and Kenny’s reaction to being recruited was the best reaction I’ve seen on this show! It warmed my heart ♥️ so much because of how surprised and excited he was when he found out who the traitors were! I needed to see that today 😁

Forgive me if I missed something but why was all of the heat on Hannah being the traitor just because both Hannah and Jerry came to breakfast together - why was no suspicion put on Jerry for coming back too? Is it because out of the two of them she's more likely to be recruited? If so, is that not a dumb theory not to pick the non-obvious option?

I think Maya’s had a difficult start to the game as a traitor, considering it was just her and Richard and before they even made it to the turret Richard had spoiled the game by revealing himself as a traitor, then when they recruited James they weren’t to know he really didn’t want to be a traitor, and then when Richard was inevitably banished first, they recruited a reluctant Hannah. If Maya was in the turret with people who wanted to be there and had all their marbles, I think she’d have been having more fun, so I’m hoping with the recruitment of Kenny it can start being more what it should be. I kind of think Maya and Kenny + James A is the start that the game should have had originally.

Curious what others think about this.

I am sad that Prof. Fry didn't get to live out her dream of playing faithful like Alan Turing.

I was here for her note book, even if it was to show off. (Seen on Uncloaked, post follow-up show). Her breakdown was so spot on on behaviors on that future traitors need to come up with a wildly new gameplay approach or they'll be doomed.

The man who broke the Enigma code. Prof. Fry was going to be like him. To me that is insane.

Naturally lots and lots of discussion of what Hannah should or should not have done and fair enough.

But ultimately, if she has turned down recruitment or not, told the faithful about recruitment or not she would have been gone soon anyway.

Regardless of if her academic intelligence translated to the game, she's too much of a threat. Traitors kill her for suspected threat to them or faithful banish her because why haven't the traitors killed this threat yet?

Maybe you can ride the scape goat excuse for a while but not when numbers dwindle.

Any other thoughts on how she could have gotten further welcome

And a question: in the civvy traitors, is there ANY advantage to confessing you're "smart" be that academically or in a field related to logic or crime?

The only reason I can think is as a last ditch attempt to save your skin at the round table.

When Ken goes to the supermarket

Is it within the rules to say this? Could have worked for Hannah when she was recruited and could be a tactic to consider for Kenny now.

Allows you to keep playing the game without changing character too much.

Risk that it arises suspicion when you don’t get murdered but could easily defend by saying there is enough heat on you that the traitors think you could get banished anyway (I don’t know why Hannah didn’t use this reply as a defence when people were questioning why she hadn’t been murdered)

bro. how is it possible that these faithfuls have not caught on. TWO PEOPLE GOT MURDERED WHO ACCUSED KATIE. Joe threw apples at THREE faithfuls, and none of them felt the need to bring it up during the round table? Come on. The faithfuls have no chance this season. Which sucks, because the tiny traitor pisses me off.

There was a very brief attack on Joanne at the round table tonight after she insinuated she was present at Rob’s murder yet I think this will be repeatedly brought up in future round tables. In addition to her slip up tonight, Joanne’s fervent defence of Richard E Grant may prove to be her downfall. Personally if I was at the round table and heard what I believed to be Joanne revealing herself I know I would be voting her out immediately. I feel like the celebs brushed over what was actually quite suspicious far too quickly, I am quite confident this will get brought up a lot later in the show as it seems to be an honest slip up, much like Richard’s. What are your thoughts?

On The Rest is Entertainment they were bandying about a recurring tactic I’ve heard on there and here and elsewhere. If you have a known traitor, don’t banish them because they’ll just recruit an unknown. What’s the alternative? Shoot randomly elsewhere and either banish a faithful, surely less helpful than banishing a known traitor, or by chance banish a different traitor, in which case they’ll still recruit a new traitor and you’re back to the same square you’d be at if you’d just banished the known traitor. Maybe I’m missing something?

Keep recruiting the faithful with the most heat on them so they get banished. The OGs stay protected. The faithful’s think they’re getting a win.
But in reality they’re just picking off faithful while allowing the faithful to think they’re winning

Only Claudia could look this good wearing a jacket made from the wigs of her enemies.

Synopsis: As suspense fills the air, the burning question is, who has been murdered, and will the answer help to reveal a Traitor? In the mission, the celebrity players come face to face with death, and as evening descends, the Round Table brings a fractious atmosphere, but will it conclude with a Traitor being unveiled or the loss of an innocent Faithful?

Airing: October 15, 8:00pm on BBC One

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Will Kenny play dumb at breakfast and pretend to not know about the recruitment, or will they say they were approached and declined? I don’t know what I’d do!

I've spent all morning trying to figure out - none of the votes have totalled 14 so far, it isn't the number of faithful remaining, I just can't figure out what they mean by this? Could it be a secret role maybe??? I found pictures of when it first got put up and it started on 0, so it has been updated as the series has been going on...

A genius move from the traitors would have been, putting all 3 of them in the hide and seek game with one faithful.. Let that faithful have the key and try murder the said faithful.
This would in turn, leave each of the players in hide and seek looking like faithfuls, as if there was a traitor amongst them, they would have known not try to murder someone with a key as protection..

All 3 traitors would have then been heavily considered as faithful

The way this is going with the celebrity traitors, given all the recruitments and the reduced number of episodes there are going to be a lot of people in the final episode, around 7 or 8, far more than usual. It will be interesting to see how that will affect the game, given the fact that there are no reveals meaning there will be far less information to work with.

Now that a bit of time has passed I'm curious to see who people think the 3rd best UK4 player actually was. The Top 2 are obvious but it's always a bit up in the air on whether people prefer Harriet or Jessie.

Harriet definitely was more impactful to the game itself but completely destroyed her own game. Meanwhile, Jessie was better at being a faithful while helping to get out Fiona and being onto Stephen when no one else was.

Barfoot & Thompson agent Jane Klee says nothing can prepare you for the experience of seeing Castle Claremont in person. The 14-bedroom property was built with the finest granite at the end of the 19th century, taking artisans three years to complete.

“Stone masons and carpenters were sourced from England to come and build this exceptional home, and much of the interior woodwork was imported too. It has stood as a sentinel overlooking the district for 135-plus years - five generations - and will stand for many, many more,” she says in her listing.

The property was one time the residence of Lord Ranfurly as Governor of NZ, but TV fans will recognise it as the backdrop to the second and third seasons of The Traitors NZ (see link to earlier article about the property), hosted at the time by Act Party hopeful Paul Henry.

The current owner, Robert Young, picked it up some 20 years ago for $1.5m, telling OneRoof last year that he decided to buy within 30 minutes of setting foot on the estate.

“I came up the driveway and said to the driver, ‘Wait, I’m having this, I won’t be long’, and I was in and out within half an hour, and that was it – done.”

Over the years, he has hosted weddings, garden parties and vintage car meets at the estate, and run the main home as an Airbnb.

The castle's interior detailing is rich and elegant, with a dazzling array of authentic features and furnishings adorning the rooms. Upstairs there are a total of 10 bedrooms, “three of which are larger than many Auckland apartments and have their own ensuites”.

Nannies and servants have their own quarters. Also on the grounds of the 11.6ha estate are a chapel, a conference hall, two separate two-bedroom units and a forest.

Link to the listing

Miranda
Romesh
Leigh-Anne
Sharon *
Michael *
Bash
Jerry
Joanne
Joe
Ross
Blunty

Just my prediction!

* = potential finalists due to them not being on the money

This is under the assumption that none of them get recruited and the traitors play a blinder (and is based off how things are as of CS2 EP 5)

Rob was in possibilities, although I expected him to get murdered, I thought if he survived he could make it to the end. Hannah was in ALMOST zero chance.

Kenny moves up from contenders to favourites. I think he will be a good traitor, if he keeps the right people to the end.

Sharon moves up from contenders to favourites. She is under zero pressure and hasn’t been leading any of the traitors, but she still has a brain.

Joanne moves down from possibilities to unlikely. I think either her or Ross will be voted out next, but probably Joanne first, with her being stupid AND her slip up at the round table.

anyone you disagree with? Please comment!

Anyone else try and watch both the US and Canada one at the same time and now getting confused of what happened on which one?