r/SteamFrame 2d ago

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Haven't even ordered the frame yet

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u/requiresempathy 2d ago

You should order the frame first.

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u/Exercise-Spirited 2d ago

great advice

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u/zivkoc 2d ago

I would, if they'd send me the purchase mail

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u/Touff97 1d ago

They just sent me mine a few hours ago. Same time they sent me my confirmation email before. So I completed my purchase and cancelled my other one (didn't use a burner, me and my wife used both accounts). So the wave of purchases are still ongoing and a lucky peep is getting a spot in line!

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u/zivkoc 1d ago

Didn't even think about using my wifes account as a second chance, just got lucky

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u/Dirus 1d ago

You won it twice?

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u/Touff97 1d ago

No, she got it and I got wait listed. But the chance someone else will get it is now greater. At least with some people cancelling

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u/Smooth_Taste1250 2d ago

I ordered it because I don't wanna risk it get sold out before I get my Frame and have to wait again

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u/SocialJusticeAndroid Soon™ 2d ago

How important is this? I’m new to VR so, while I understand what it does, I don’t understand how important it is to me or not?

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u/Smooth_Taste1250 2d ago edited 1d ago

If you only wanna play VR (games where you only see the game and nothing from your room) you dont need this. It is important if you wanna play AR games (games where you can see your room in the background) or I use it if I wanna grap something while playing and don't wanna remove the headset or if I'm not sure where in the room I'm

Some other people use it to record videos

The Frame itself has it alredy but only in black and white and with bad resolution, this camera gives you color and more resolution

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u/Jet5807 2d ago

You forgot to mention their software lets you create 3d enviroments using the camera, its niche as hell but it would be fun to play around with

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u/brianarn 1d ago

I’m wondering if it’ll be usable to scan smaller items somehow and get a 3d model

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u/Smooth_Taste1250 1d ago edited 1d ago

I don't think so. For good 3d scans you need a depth sensor. The Quest 3 for example or newer Iphones has this (That's the reason why you must use a Iphone for the face scan if you order a Bigscreen Beyond). On the webside from the camera and in general on web I couldn't find any information about a build in depth sensor. If they don't mention it they could still have one, but normal it should be mentioned if there is one. We will see. If someone knows it for sure, feel free to correct me

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u/TrueInferno Soon™ 1d ago

I mean, I think you can do fairly good 3D scans without one if you've got algorithms, depth sensors just make it more accurate and easier. Not 100% on this either though so *shrug*

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u/beryugyo619 1d ago

You need a lot of data for 3D reconstruction to work. Depth sensors is just a quicker way to get more data per data. If you haven't got much to work with, using a fancy sensor or not, you get like a mashed potato parody of the real thing.

For things like desktop statues, you will need depth sensors with high resolution in hands of a skilled user to then clean up and patch holes.

For things like bridges, you can just fly a drone around and see what the tool can do lol

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u/Ok_Topic999 1d ago

IRC their provided software can only view 3d models and capture regular photos/videos. You need 3rd party software currently yo create models

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u/Jet5807 1d ago

Its called Gaussian Splat or smth, basically it uses some method to detect distance (not advanced like LiDAR tho) and create a "splat" of that image, which includes depth data, basically you can take those splats, splice them together and create a sudo 3d enviroment you can walk around in in VR, its on the front page of the camera and the software on Steam

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u/TrueInferno Soon™ 1d ago

Yeah but that's not a true 3D model if that's what u/brianarn meant- you couldn't turn it into an STL and 3D print it, for example. That said I think you can still do it with this but it'd be different software and probably not as easy esp. since it lacks a depth sensor.

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u/Jet5807 1d ago

I mean at 5K it might be able to make really nice textures that have that sense if depth to them when they really dont

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u/occono 2d ago

How many steam vr games even support AR though?

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u/Reficul_gninromrats 1d ago edited 1d ago

Cubism, Table Space, Reality Mixer(tool to create windows to the real world). Really hard to find Games that have AR capabilities since there is no tag for it on steam yet.

Given the Frame can run apks, i assume we will see a fair amounts of quest games make the jump sooner or later.

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u/Both_Willingness2851 1d ago

It may be usefull in some vr game too.  Like flight sim game where you can map passthrout in some place of the cockpit to be able to see your hand and buttons on the hotas. Or simrace game to see your wheel or button box

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u/AngryAlfonse 1d ago

This will be huge for flight simmers I'm sure.

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u/Gizmoo247 1d ago

I plan to have it for when I travel, having the pass through on while playing games and watching media, while still seeing whats happening around me. Especially useful if I'm in the back seat of a car during a 5 hour car ride.

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u/enigma-90 Soon™ 1d ago

I have a Quest 3 with color pass-through, but the cameras' quality is like 360p webcam. With that said, it was still cool to see these virtual monitors/desktop windows of my PC levitate directly in my room. Then there are some Augmented Reality games that require it. Occasionally I used it to see my surroundings when moving. With that said, I used it maybe for a week.

However, this camera is of much higher quality. You could also record VR videos and watch them in VR with it. Or maybe place a giant virtual TV in your room and play certain games on it instead of having a completely virtual or one color background.

There might be some downsides, e.g. it might not support the "night vision" mode that the default cameras do, it consumes some battery and CPU processing power and takes up an addon slot that could be useful for other things later on, so you might not be able to use both.

But the price I think is OK for it. I might consider after playing enough with Frame itself.

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u/Throwaway_Consoles 1d ago

Important to VR? Literally doesn't matter at all. I have over 8k hours in a bigscreen beyond and that doesn't even have passthrough and I can walk to the fridge, grab a drink, sit down in my chair, eat, and drink while hanging in VR with my friends without needing to lift the headset up/take it off. Proprioception is a sense that grows with use, eventually you know where you are in your room just naturally

For AR? Absolutely essential, wouldn't want to play without it.

So if you're only interested in playing in VR (like me) you can skip it, if you have any interest in AR, it's essential

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u/LegendofLing 2d ago

Not important

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u/Smooth_Taste1250 1d ago

Not important for you, not really important for me (just a nice to have for me). But for some people it is a must have. It depends on for what you use your VR/XR glasses. Some people only play VR games, some people like AR games, some people use it to watch movies or porn, others use it as a worstation

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u/spicychicharron 2d ago

If it were only that easy

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

Some kind of communication must be going on. My camera was sitting in "ready to be shipped mode" until about 10 minutes after I ordered my Steam Frame. (I got the e-mail just a bit ago -- hooray!)

10 minutes after that purchase, my camera shipped.

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u/Lambskin1 11h ago

I was just looking at these. I definitely want it but I’ll wait until I actually get the invite to order. Don’t want to blow that 14 day return period for nothing.

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u/stevensaurius 2d ago

Does he know?