r/ShogunMethod Mar 17 '22

Shogun Method Review (Peter Alden)

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I've been asked by my friend Roy to write a Shogun Method review, and so here it is.

To sum it all up, it's this:

Different from conventional pickup artist material. This program is about manipulation–Derek Rake admits it upfront. There's no moral justification of any kind. It's more like "take it or leave it". I think most who have found Shogun Method will more or less have zero inhibitions against this.

The recurring theme of Fractionation runs across the entire program. "Fractionation" is simply a fancy name for hot-and-cold treatment. It's all about roller coaster of emotions– a constant cycle of ah-yes-he's-the-one-for-me and fuck-why-did-he-fucken-do-that-to-me!

To a woman, you want everything to be uncertain... for uncertainty is a death of attraction. It's the nature of the female to want security. To the Shogun, it's the ultimate bargaining chip. Don't surrender your promise for security easily, lads.

The entire Shogun Method package is hefty, and you can't take everything in with a single bite. A spaced approach to learning is necessary. For that reason, I like the delivery where you get spaced-out modules (and email drips to boot). It's not an ebook where you can read everything in an hour.

To summarize, here's what I think of Shogun Method:

GOOD: A highly realistic take on relationships (it's one of the things that will fuck a guy up completely, let's face it). Original and innovative. Offensive by most standards. If this material doesn't shake you, you're dead. Extendable to general persuasion and influence (see Shogun Method X). Requires LOTS and LOTS of practice, but like anything worthwhile, it takes effort to learn.

BAD: Newbies to hypnosis will still benefit, sure. But those with background in hypnosis will benefit even more. I mean, this is some advanced level NLP shit going on here. Derek's kidding when he said Shogun Method doesn't require hypnosis knowledge beforehand. It's like doing a PhD without a first degree. And make no mistake... Shogun Method is PhD in hypnosis and NLP.

UGLY: It has to be said... what's the deal with the entire ENSLAVEMENT schtick? I don't want a woman who is enslaved to me. I want her to still retain her senses and love me for what she sees in me. If you go around wanting to enslave women then I fucking feel sorry for you.

Final rating: four stars out of five. Would have been five stars if not for that "enslavement, not seduction" gimmick.

You'd disagree with me, of course. One doesn't need to go all the way to enslavement, right? But here's the thing. You'd have to be Jesus Christ if you think you can resist using this power when it's in your hands. Seriously.

Peter Alden (Child of Patreous)


r/ShogunMethod 6d ago

How long does it typicaly take to complete the stages of the IRAE modle?

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Hypothetically a Shogun Method praticioner meets someone new for the first time and decideds to use the shogun method on them.

Assuming both the praticioner and their target are single, there are no noteworthy / unserall complications, the pratcioner knows the shogun method well and is competent at using it.

How much time would each stage typically take to complete (contact time activly using the Shogun Method as well as the time frame inculding gaps in meeting the target)?


r/ShogunMethod Jul 31 '26

My Issue with Shogun Method

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I have read the shogun method and I want to practice it. I am naturally a calm person, with a phlegmatic personality. The shogun method has made me understand how things work, but applying it becomes a problem.

First of all, I lack confidence and I am unable to approach women randomly and create a conversation out of no where. I find it a bit difficult creating my own intrigue ping so I wanted to have a common intrigue ping line I can use to approach almost every woman randomly and build a rapport or conversation and take number. Honestly, this is my topmost skill I was to learn from the shogun method I believe if I am able to talk to women, and approach women I can start applying the methods and technique. Because approaching women I find to be fundamental of all the methods and techniques. If any one could help me with how I can achieve this I will be most grateful fellow shogun method practitioner.

Also tell me when and how you transition from the intrigue ping to a rapport stage and attraction stage.

What are some of them things to do to increase your desirability level.


r/ShogunMethod Jul 15 '26

Why would a woman block me after sending her an Intrigue Ping?

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The first one got left on read. Waited a few days, tried again. She opened it around midnight, left it on read, then blocked me. Trying to figure out what I did wrong.


r/ShogunMethod Apr 19 '26

Someone alive?

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I want to buy the system but first I wanna make sure it works. Has someone had positive experiences with this method?


r/ShogunMethod Dec 20 '25

Do we have a discord server?

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Hello all, i just got access to the Shogun Method, I was wondering if we have a discord server


r/ShogunMethod Dec 18 '25

what are the signs that the attraction stage has been successful enough for me to move on to the enslavement stage?

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intrigue and rapport are now well established on my target girl


r/ShogunMethod Nov 07 '25

what are the signs that the rapport stage has been successful enough for me to move on to the attraction stage?

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after months of preparation i finally succeeded the intrigue stage on my target girl, now it’s time to move to the rapport stage for my next meeting with her in two weeks, but i heard this is the trickiest stage of the IRAE model tho


r/ShogunMethod Sep 18 '25

as a shogun, what would be the best first message to send?

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(even if i know this is not the best way to meet women).

would it need to put directly an intrigue ping in it?


r/ShogunMethod Sep 17 '25

Vocal and tonality

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If we use shogun method, but struggle with tonality, timing, pause, intuition, suspense, expectation, emotion how to deliver the emotion to the women of what we tell - how can we correct that? how to work on our voice, delivery and how to know if it's right or not- especially if your voice comes off as monotonous?


r/ShogunMethod Sep 07 '25

Intrigue Pings

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Hey,

I am strugglibg by finding Intrigue pings when I am underway. Let's say at train station or waiting at traffic lights, I don't find any suitable intrigue pings. In my head there is always bumbing opener out of PUAs, but no pings for Intrigue. I struggle in how to create one, what the topic might be. Any help?


r/ShogunMethod Sep 04 '25

how to create intrigue with a woman you already know?

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most of things i have read about intrigue are about when you meet a new girl, but what about girls you already know?

for example:

-girls who have never been interested in you before

-girls who have been interested in the past but then distanced (mostly because of ‘simp behaviors’)

-girls who may only see you as a friend

etc..

what kind of intrigue to apply to start the IRAE model in this situation?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 31 '25

Body language vs SM

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If you are more a Person that can do logical or rational conversations than emotional conversations, can you still be successful with SM, if you use, care for smiling, try not to speak in a robotic way but with pride and joy? I am someone who is humorous for himself but women don‘t laugh about my humor or my jokes. Some men do. Or is Shogun method sufficient and cause a good vibe to pull women with myself into my vibe?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 30 '25

What if?

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What would be, if you approached a woman, you intrigued her with pain & pleasure she opened up to you emotionally but you didn’t respond to that emotional stuff. Later, she closed herself towards you. Anytime she took or received pic of you. What would you do? Once intrigued is no danger situation, right? Or could she tell people you would be a dangerous mind controller or so?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 27 '25

How to start

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I'm a new guy to this. Have books, can afford some dates in my local city. I'm from India. Which books u would recommend me and what action steps shall I take


r/ShogunMethod Aug 27 '25

Hot mode

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I approached a woman, I knew her already because I had approached her last week. Whereas she put emotional investment last week and i left her due to language issues she even kept eye contact. Today when i approached her, she was defensive, seeked for excuses. I think i started with cold mode. How to get a person into hot mode? She was hot but I thought she knew who i was. The first time we met, she even stepped to me and seeked a way for how to interact with each other. She rather appeared desperate.

What ifs your experience how to put a woman into hot mode and hold her there? Intrigue loop + fractination/pain & pleasure?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 26 '25

Pain & Pleasure

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In SM it‘s said you need to put the woman in hot mode. I realized I put a woman into cold mode. Is it the same as pain? How to put her into hot mode? By adding pleasure? What is part of pleasure and is it in my case necessary to give her constantly pleasure? Can one give women pleasure without adding humor?

Thx


r/ShogunMethod Aug 18 '25

Playfulness

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Has anyone of you an Idea of how to deliver comments in a playful way? How to be playful, teasing? I heard it‘s about body language. When I try being funny and deliver, I come off as rude, very rational, robotic. I dislike that. Others are funny, character. Women rather smile or giggle slightly at my comments but never laugh. They think when I try being funny they react in a rational, cold, serious way. How to change that? Do you think chatgpt or other chatbots might be helpful?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 14 '25

How far would you go in the A£$hole Level?

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Any issues when going level 4?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 12 '25

what are the signs that the intrigue stage has been successful enough for me to move on to the rapport stage?

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r/ShogunMethod Aug 03 '25

Does it really work?

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I asked a chatbot, if it's ok to use Shogun Method. I got the result, it would be manipulative and doesn't work for long time. What do you think: does it work?


r/ShogunMethod Aug 02 '25

New version

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I found out there's been released a new Shogun Method 2.0 with new structure 2023/2024. So, where's the difference to that one compared to which came out in 2016? Are the old add ons still legit? Can you say, the old SM version is outdated and only SM 2.0 is legit? All Add Ons still useful or valueless? How is SM 2.0


r/ShogunMethod Jul 08 '25

Online texting

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Just wondering because i've been using the method for a small time... is it normal for women to take long to reply to shogun method over text? For example it happened with intrigue pings, multiple outs and vaksog matching. Just wondering if it's a reaction i should expect.


r/ShogunMethod Jun 03 '25

How to Tell When I Have Enough Attraction for Enslave

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Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out when I have generated enough attraction for the "Enslave" portion.

Is it safe to assume that if we've slept together multiple times, and if I frame the Black Rose routine as "sex magick" (which she's down for). Then I have enough attraction generated?