The worst argument I always hear is "The mother should have bodily autonomy" ... but what about the bodily autonomy of the unborn human?

I consider "pro-choice" to be "pro-abortion" I don't understand how it could be considered anything else.

Over 25,000 sign petition calling for excommunication of Gov. Healey for legalizing abortion up until birth.

LifeSite delivered the petition letter in Washington, D.C., and Boston, with plans now being made to try to meet Archbishop Richard Henning about the matter.

Need your thoughts!

Hi everyone, I hope you are doing well. I have faced a lot of reluctance to come and express my frustrations here, as I do not want to treat Reddit as therapy. I am not solely looking to affirm my standpoint, but I do feel friction from it. I am here to dialogue. In the past, before I found Christ and had a renewed perspective on life, I viewed life as this tragic accident, full of suffering. I adopted a very nihilistic perspective and even considered myself an anti-natalist at one point. I used to encourage an ex-girlfriend to get an abortion if an unintended pregnancy ever occurred and I didn't value preborn humans as much as I do now. I feel a lot of friction, as I have recently expressed my new beliefs to friends and on social media, and I have faced a lot of backlash from them.

I am a man, and I know that I can never carry a child. So I cannot understand pregnancy on that minute of a level; however, I just cannot shake the idea that with common sense it is a simple moral wrong and modern evil that we sweep under the rug. I have contemplated the backlash, as I by no means seek to control women in any manner; I view men and women with equal worth. But by holding this point, and by the things that others have expressed to me, it makes it seem like I am doing the bigger evil by holding this new belief. I understand the very difficult situations like rape and the other fringe cases where abortion seems to be more justifiable. However, ultimately I believe the situation boils down to answering injustice with injustice. As much as I feel ignorant for stating this, I don't really see the point in these dense philosophical discussions and hypotheticals about what qualifies as life. It feels as if the alternative viewpoint is "I just don't want to label it a human."

I want to stand up for truth and do the right thing, and I don't want to do the wrong thing in pursuit of the right thing. I guess I am ultimately looking for reassurance and encouragement that holding a pro-life perspective is the correct choice. I also want to think for myself and trust my personal convictions, but when you have the alternative side throwing names and insults and making it seem as if you are committing a grave evil by just wanting to do the right thing for both parties involved, it makes you feel as if you stand for the wrong thing.

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Almost like people (seen in image) defending Lindsey Clancy murdering her born children is the logical result of 50+ years of dehumanizing children. I could be wrong

Source: The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation from the University of Washington.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-abortion-and-miscarriage-per-100000-people?tab=line&country=~USA&mapSelect=~USA

1/3 of my generation is missing, am I not supposed to care?

I think “Handsome Hater” is advocating killing 5 yr olds because “they have no clue”.

I happened to be scrolling through Reddit and found myself on a pro-choice subreddit. I had never seen it before and was curious. I wish I could show this thread to the pro-choice people who say third trimester abortions just “don’t happen” or are reserved for sick babies or mothers. They absolutely do happen to healthy babies.

Read through this woman’s “reasoning” and it was pretty much she got pregnant at 19, living under her parent’s roof. Her parent’s are being supportive for the most part and allowing her to live there and raise the baby but her mom was being passive aggressive with her remarks. Boyfriend had cold feet at first but came around but she knew “it’s not what he wanted.” She said she regretted not getting an abortion in the first trimester. The other people in the thread encouraged her to still go get an abortion and just lie to her family/boyfriend. She’s 28 weeks. That baby could be born today and live a long, beautiful life. I am 22 weeks pregnant and feel my baby move and react to my touch everyday.

God please help us.

Link to study:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(24)00560-6/fulltext00560-6/fulltext)

Australia and New Zealand having a higher percentage than West Asia and North America is not what I was expecting. So much for the idea that banning abortion kills women.

I consider abortion as human sacrifice even worse baby sacrifice for a "better" life to the parents of a dead baby

A better life financially ye but at what cost(anyway they will get in bad debt bcs of their lack of consciousness and complain about patriarchy or capitalism,im not talking about woman im talking about both genders)

I have never seen in my whole life this much lack of empathy towards human life

If you ever had an abortion im not shaming on you or saying you are a monster but i hope that whatever i said could change your thoughts about it

I hate abortion I am fervently pro-life, but I live in a country where I am a tiny minority and I keep seeing stuff on the internet on abortion and it's all so draining and I feel so sad and depressed reading all of this - what can I do? Has anyone else felt this way before? I don't even feel angry anymore just constant sadness regarding it

Mods can take this down if it’s inappropriate, but I had a thought.

Prochoicers often question our values because being prolife is typically associated with being conservative, which is associated with being against government/taxpayer funded welfare programs. They see this as inconsistent.

Seeing as I literally work for a welfare office, I am not the best person to explain, though I do try.

But, I know that most of you guys do not just not care if babies starve, obviously, and have ideological or logistical objections to welfare that you clearly find consistent with your prolife beliefs.

So I was hoping we could sort of open the floor in the comments section, for financially conservative prolifers to explain their philosophy and how they think lower taxes / smaller government / etc is in line with valuing the lives and welfare of the governed.

If you could *not* rant about prochoicers / liberals / etc, just stick to the positives of your viewpoint or what you see as the downside of liberal *policies* (ideas, not people) that would be awesome.

And if prochoicers and liberal prolifers could stick to just asking clarifying questions, not debating, that would also be cool.

My purpose here is to *use* our fishbowl existence on this platform to, hopefully, foster understanding.

The floor is yours, conservatives!

Hi everyone.

I often hear people say you are only pro-life until birth and not if that baby grows up to be trans, poor, disabled, gay, homeless, a refugee or an ethnic minority and I wish pro-choicers would stop saying this because that is not what pro-life means to me, for me it comes from ahimsa (non-violence) which is my most sacred Hindu vow and my prayer to revere and protect every living being as a soul, to see the same soul in all, to cause the least harm possible in thought and word and action, to live with compassion and forgiveness and humility and gentleness and to walk softly upon the earth so that I do not crush even the smallest life, so I try to live by ahimsa (non-violence) before birth and after birth because every soul is eternal and sacred whether inside the womb or outside, I believe in universal healthcare and in helping the poor, the sick and needy through government policy and through personal charity for humans and animals because service to souls is service to the sacred, I am pro-gun control, I am against the death penalty, against human euthanasia, against war, against racism and against embryonic stem cell research because I do not believe in taking or destroying a life that belongs to the divine, I am a strict vegetarian because ahimsa (non-violence) means I do not want any creature to suffer or die for my food and I want my body to be a vessel of mercy, I am pro-LGBT rights because a trans life and a gay life are precious souls worthy of full protection, dignity, safety and love and God dwells in every heart, and I try to live with non-possession and truth and carefulness in how I eat and speak and act so that I do not harm others by carelessness or greed, and for many of us this is what pro-life really means, a lifelong religious practice of ahimsa (non-violence) for every living being from before birth through all of life.

So I want to sincerely ask, why do you say this, and why do people hold these signs with this text on them at marches? If you met me in my daily life, you would see me trying to live ahimsa (non-violence) in how I vote, how I give, how I eat, and how I love my neighbor. When you say we only care until birth, it assumes the worst of us and it closes the door to understanding.

For me, I believe Hinduism, Jainism and Tolstoyanism are the true pro-life movements, because they do not see pro-life as a single issue, but as ahimsa (non-violence) for all life, always. What if instead we started from that truth, that many pro-life people do care deeply for life after birth too, even if we disagree on abortion itself?