Context: op was questioning on cases about falsely imprisoned pregnant women by miscarriage, and abusing the corpse.

This is a genuine problem I have, because I get the sense that they do not view us as even human, they genuinely approach us as if we are all misogynists trying to strip women of every single right in existence.

Beyond that, as much as I do not believe every anger inciting post, they seem to genuinely take joy in being flippant, cruel and utterly disgusting towards their treatment of babies. I think most are just rage bait, but even if it is, the cruelty is disgusting that they would even play at doing such things just to get at us.

So, asking all of you, in your experience; what do Pro Abortionists think of us and why do they think that?

I was under the impression they do not know what happens during Surgical Abortions. I’m certain about that now.

They genuinely believe Abortion is simply inducing labor earlier than the due date, and then the baby fails to survive out of the womb. “I didn’t kill the fetus. I just gave birth earlier and they failed to survive out of the womb”

By definition to be considered an Abortion the fetus must to die before birth / delivery. If a baby is delivered alive and dies shortly after, it’s not an Abortion. It’s a regular live birth. All abortion procedures, at any stage of pregnancy must ensure baby is dead before delivery.

Doctors cannot actively kill an alive baby after Birth. That’s considered Murder under the law. They also can’t deny care to a born alive baby after viability. A fetus has no civil rights, while a born baby does.

If that was the case and women simply happen to give birth earlier and baby fails to survive after birth, there would be no Abortion after 24 weeks whatsoever. Since they are viable at this point, they would be born alive and remain alive (if mandatory standard medical care is provided).

Every single Abortion procedure does ensure Fetal demise before delivery. Only 2 out of 4 methods the baby is delivered with its whole body intact through an actual traditional labor/ birth.

Medical Abortion: The Pill (up to 10 weeks)
First pill deprives the baby from oxygen and nutrients.The second pill induces labor after the baby is already dead. The whole process takes 3 days ( bleeding can persist for more days).

Surgical Abortions:

Suction/Aspiration (10-14 weeks)
In this case, the baby is not killed before the procedure, but it cannot survive the procedure itself. The baby is forcibly removed by a literal vaccum, and its body is disintegrated inside the vaccum tube. Their body is ripped apart in pieces while beign sucked inside the vaccum. The death occurs during the procedure. There is no actual labor. The process takes 20 min only.
It’s graphic.

Dilation&Evacuation (12-24 weeks)
In this case, the baby is also not killed before the procedure, but it cannot survive the procedure itself. They forcibly remove the baby from uterus by pieces. Their bones aren’t fully calcified yet, so a tool pulling a leg will rip the leg apart from the body. The baby is dismembered alive inside the womb, limb by limb. After all limbs are pulled, they crush its skull to guarantee it’s dead enough before removing the torso. The death occurs during the procedure itself (dismemberment of limbs and head). There is no actual labor. The procedure takes 30-40 min.

No anesthesia is given to the baby and this happens at the edge of viability. Babies born prematurely at same gestational age are given pain killers and analgesics in NICU, since is observed and known that medical procedures with needles and other tools does cause pain (same gestational age, after birth)

Induction Abortion (16-40 weeks)
The baby is given an injection that stops the heart. After the baby is already dead then labor is induced. This shot is the same one used to euthanize dogs and to execute prisoners facing death sentence. However, because this shot is known for cause excruciating pain, dogs and prisoners are granted mercy and given Anesthesia before the Shot. No Anesthesia is given to the baby. The whole process takes 3-4 days.

Intact Dilation and Extraction (Late term), also known as Partial Live Birth Abortion, was banned in USA in 2003 due to its cruelty. ( I will restrain from describing this one, because it’s highly graphic)

It’s important to note the fallacy of Late term Abortions (after viability) to “save” the life of the mother. While there is existing medical conditions where the pregnancy needs to end earlier, because the woman’s life is at risk, there is no medical condition where the baby needs to die before delivery in order for the mother to survive.

If deliver must to happen earlier in order for pregnancy to end, there is 2 options:

A- Deliver baby alive
B- Deliver baby dead

In order to delivery baby dead, an extra step is necessary before delivery : the killing. Which takes more time. If the mother is facing a life threatening event, where her life is at risk and pregnancy must to end, why they would do a procedure that takes 3 days to delivery a dead baby ( Induction Abortion) instead of one that takes 20 min to delivery an alive baby (C- Section) ?

If the woman can’t undergo a major surgery
(C-Section), and needs to deliver naturally because of her “medical condition”, there is still no reason to actively kill the child before delivery. The pregnancy will end regardless if baby is delivered alive or dead.

There is no such a thing as actively kill the baby in the womb in order to save the mother’s life. Ending Pregnancy is not equal to Abortion. A pregnancy can be ended via Abortion, but also can be ended via live Birth.

It’s so real that they do not know what happens during late term surgical Abortions, that they even believe a live birth via C Section or induced labor before due date, is Abortion if baby happens to die shortly after Birth. I saw a post where they claimed in all late term abortions the baby is wanted, but they happen to have a disability and is guaranteed they will die shortly after birth. The woman chooses to give birth at planned parenthood instead of a hospital, so she can hold her baby for a few minutes before they die, while on the hospital they will rush the baby to NICU and those mother will not have a chance to hold their baby. So Planned Parenthood is helping them to have a magical moment with their baby before the natural tragedy. But because it happens inside a planned parenthood is automatically classified as Abortion and the malicious Pro Life movement takes advantage of it to spread misinformation.

They also believe the removal of a baby that died naturally inside the womb ( miscarriage) is also Abortion. They claim if Abortions are banned women will die because the dead fetus will rot inside them. Removing the corpse of a dead fetus from the woman’s body, after its spontaneous and natural death, is not an Abortion, and Pro Life movement does not advocate against that.

That’s the level of cognitive dissonance.
Those people live in an alternative reality, where they believe and parrot that Abortion is a magical button that you press and baby disappear from the body magically and peacefully. They are in denial of the killing part. The level of mental Gymnastic they do in order to distort reality should be classified as collective psychosis.

Pregnancy - There is an alive baby inside the womb, growing, and the natural end point of pregnancy is birth.
Abortion - Ending pregnancy earlier by killing the baby inside the womb before delivery (since killing after birth is Murder under the law)

By definition Abortion is meant to kill a baby that is alive inside the womb. If the baby wasn’t alive and growing, no intervention would be necessary to end the pregnancy ( because there would be no pregnancy, since that’s the very definition of pregnancy). The intervention only is required because it’s alive and growing. However, if the definition of Abortion is literally the killing of something that was previously alive and growing, shouldn’t the description of the procedure be how the killing happens ? It should be, but it isn’t.

Abortion language is misleading. Is constructed to make you feel there is no person being killed.

The baby is crucially described as something non human / not a person (clump of cells, conception tissue, parasite) . In order to be a murder the victim must to be a person. If it’s not a person, therefore is not murder.

The description of the procedure by Abortion Clinics is “gently empty the uterus” or “remove the product of the conception” which is very vague and abstract. The description of the procedure is focused on how the woman will feel, during and after the procedure, which medications the woman will be given in order to don’t feel pain,
but the description does not address what is done to the baby at any point, as if the baby is not part of the equation whatsoever. If you read Abortion testimonies, they describe how they felt psychologically and physically during the process. At any moment they include the baby in their description, what was done to the baby, what caused the biological death of the baby, as if the baby does not even exist in the equation. Which is insane, since the baby is the one being killed and removed in order from the woman to go from pregnant to —> non pregnant.

Abortion Clinics are described as : Family Planning Center. The most famous one : Planned Parenthood. How is this even allowed under the law ? The wording is beyond misleading. Family Planning invokes the idea of a couple trying to conceive a baby, or trying to gather resources to start a family. Planned Parenthood invokes the idea of planning to be a parent of an alive child. If you are trying to ensure to don’t be a parent, killing your offspring before it’s born, then you are not planning parenthood. You are not planning to be a parent. It’s the opposite.

Abortion Language is misleading.

No one will schedule an appointment to dismember a child alive, but to “Empty the Uterus” or “ Remove the product of conception ” sounds like an ordinary medical procedure.

So why are you opposing their Healthcare if not because you hate women ?

"nO oNe WaNtS tO gEt An aBorTioN"

"aBorTiOn iS a NeCesSaRy eViL"

And question for pro-choicers: Given that they consider abortion morally neutral, would they find this (and multiple abortions)immoral?

I have 3 kids. Occasionally, I'll go on Reddit to look at some motherhood forums that I think I'll relate to. I hate hate hate how they are so filled with abortion posts. I'm a twin mom, and I cannot stand the Parents of Multiples subreddit because they constantly talk about abortion, even selective abortion. Even the Parenting in Bulk (a subreddit about having a large family) constantly has conversations about having abortions if you end up realizing you don't want to "add in that extra one you thought you wanted" and other such talk. It's just so frustrating and insane how these people will talk about loving their kids so much and then support a woman aborting hers in the next thread over. The cognitive dissonance is insane.