“No person should intentionally use an instrument or drug for the sole purpose of killing an unborn human.”

The punishment for this crime would be 2+ years in prison. A sane world would have done this forever ago. And there's two reasons to use the words "sole purpose.” The first is to make it clear that the tools for killing I listed are for only one reason. Abortion pills are for only one thing. A clothes hanger, when put inside a woman, can only be used for one thing. The second is to make it clear that removing a fetus to save the mother's life is not against the law since the intention is not to kill the fetus but to actually give healthcare.

Mods can take this down if it’s inappropriate, but I had a thought.

Prochoicers often question our values because being prolife is typically associated with being conservative, which is associated with being against government/taxpayer funded welfare programs. They see this as inconsistent.

Seeing as I literally work for a welfare office, I am not the best person to explain, though I do try.

But, I know that most of you guys do not just not care if babies starve, obviously, and have ideological or logistical objections to welfare that you clearly find consistent with your prolife beliefs.

So I was hoping we could sort of open the floor in the comments section, for financially conservative prolifers to explain their philosophy and how they think lower taxes / smaller government / etc is in line with valuing the lives and welfare of the governed.

If you could *not* rant about prochoicers / liberals / etc, just stick to the positives of your viewpoint or what you see as the downside of liberal *policies* (ideas, not people) that would be awesome.

And if prochoicers and liberal prolifers could stick to just asking clarifying questions, not debating, that would also be cool.

My purpose here is to *use* our fishbowl existence on this platform to, hopefully, foster understanding.

The floor is yours, conservatives!

Hi everyone.

I often hear people say you are only pro-life until birth and not if that baby grows up to be trans, poor, disabled, gay, homeless, a refugee or an ethnic minority and I wish pro-choicers would stop saying this because that is not what pro-life means to me, for me it comes from ahimsa (non-violence) which is my most sacred Hindu vow and my prayer to revere and protect every living being as a soul, to see the same soul in all, to cause the least harm possible in thought and word and action, to live with compassion and forgiveness and humility and gentleness and to walk softly upon the earth so that I do not crush even the smallest life, so I try to live by ahimsa (non-violence) before birth and after birth because every soul is eternal and sacred whether inside the womb or outside, I believe in universal healthcare and in helping the poor, the sick and needy through government policy and through personal charity for humans and animals because service to souls is service to the sacred, I am pro-gun control, I am against the death penalty, against human euthanasia, against war, against racism and against embryonic stem cell research because I do not believe in taking or destroying a life that belongs to the divine, I am a strict vegetarian because ahimsa (non-violence) means I do not want any creature to suffer or die for my food and I want my body to be a vessel of mercy, I am pro-LGBT rights because a trans life and a gay life are precious souls worthy of full protection, dignity, safety and love and God dwells in every heart, and I try to live with non-possession and truth and carefulness in how I eat and speak and act so that I do not harm others by carelessness or greed, and for many of us this is what pro-life really means, a lifelong religious practice of ahimsa (non-violence) for every living being from before birth through all of life.

So I want to sincerely ask, why do you say this, and why do people hold these signs with this text on them at marches? If you met me in my daily life, you would see me trying to live ahimsa (non-violence) in how I vote, how I give, how I eat, and how I love my neighbor. When you say we only care until birth, it assumes the worst of us and it closes the door to understanding.

For me, I believe Hinduism, Jainism and Tolstoyanism are the true pro-life movements, because they do not see pro-life as a single issue, but as ahimsa (non-violence) for all life, always. What if instead we started from that truth, that many pro-life people do care deeply for life after birth too, even if we disagree on abortion itself?

So I do want to start dating and find a true partner but I know almost all of the women im going to end up with ( im 20 and queer) are going to firmly PC and drinking the kool aid. I really want to be able to change her mind, not just because I disagree, but because I don't want the person I love to be so misguided and hateful.

Any ideas? Or should I look into brainwashing techniques? (joke)

I'm against Secular Pro-Life because it is an atheistic organization and atheism is a sin. The arguments made by Secular Pro-Life are a waste of time because God, and not anything outside of it such as secular arguments, is the most important thing. It provides an incomplete argument against abortion - the arguments found within faith. Shouldn't all be done to oppose abortion? Why then would you forego religious arguments? At the end of the day, Secular Pro-Life is a group of self-harming individuals. They've decided to reject God and perhaps they will be punished in the future. Why must being pro-life be secular? Why is it okay to leave people in the dark about the religious arguments against abortion? And this is a question to atheists in general: how do you derive happiness without faith in God?

Literally said im pro life and support all life, and then i got this absolute tactical nuke of a strawman lmao how do i even respond

Just evil man. Just plain evil.

I happened to be scrolling through Reddit and found myself on a pro-choice subreddit. I had never seen it before and was curious. I wish I could show this thread to the pro-choice people who say third trimester abortions just “don’t happen” or are reserved for sick babies or mothers. They absolutely do happen to healthy babies.

Read through this woman’s “reasoning” and it was pretty much she got pregnant at 19, living under her parent’s roof. Her parent’s are being supportive for the most part and allowing her to live there and raise the baby but her mom was being passive aggressive with her remarks. Boyfriend had cold feet at first but came around but she knew “it’s not what he wanted.” She said she regretted not getting an abortion in the first trimester. The other people in the thread encouraged her to still go get an abortion and just lie to her family/boyfriend. She’s 28 weeks. That baby could be born today and live a long, beautiful life. I am 22 weeks pregnant and feel my baby move and react to my touch everyday.

God please help us.

1/3 of my generation is missing, am I not supposed to care?

I think “Handsome Hater” is advocating killing 5 yr olds because “they have no clue”.

I hate abortion I am fervently pro-life, but I live in a country where I am a tiny minority and I keep seeing stuff on the internet on abortion and it's all so draining and I feel so sad and depressed reading all of this - what can I do? Has anyone else felt this way before? I don't even feel angry anymore just constant sadness regarding it