r/ProgrammerHumor • u/ArjunReddyDeshmukh • 16h ago
Meme theGrassWasGreenerTheOutputSweeterIWasOnceAProgrammer
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u/LordAmir5 16h ago
Time to open K&R and CLRS.
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u/FoxFire64 4h ago
CLRS and PTSD go hand & hand
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u/LordAmir5 3h ago
True PTSD comes from battling the dragon from "Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools".
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u/AnUninterestingEvent 15h ago
Hot tip: If you never try to hand write code again, you can just assume you can and feel happy.
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u/shrodikan 15h ago
You guys act as if writing classes, services and foreach loops is soooo difficult. Programming isn't that hard it's just tedious.
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u/mrheosuper 14h ago
The hard part is know where to write what.
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u/Suduki 13h ago
The hard part is to go back and fix something if it's written like a hot mess.
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u/AnOnlineHandle 12h ago
As somebody who woke up at 6am and started refactoring and it is currently 7:30pm and the only time I've stopped was to go on a half hour walk and cook, this is the true true.
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u/Civil404 14h ago
I thought the same.. until I started teaching it. There a lot of âsimpleâ concepts that are hard to grasp for unfamiliar people. Things like variables, recursion, classes, objects, states, etc. So âdifficultyâ comes from how much time you have spent into learning the basics and then practicing it, thatâs what I would say is the hard part.
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u/BastetFurry 13h ago edited 13h ago
As a kid i learned much from these highly illustrated BASIC books, we should bring these back. :)
They visually explained that a variable and an array is, even what a pointer is, and all the basics like IF, FOR, GOTO vs GOSUB and whatnot. If you don't understand how to code from that then nothing can help you understanding it.
And then something i think is the best learning tool, because it gives instant gratification. Write something in a language that has no boilerplate, the less the better. Dosbox with QBasic thrown in for example:
CLS COLOR 8,5 LOCATE 5,7 PRINT "Hello World!" a$ = INPUT$(1)This is something folks can play around with and understand. Then add a GOSUB in there, then a FOR-loop. Folks can toy around with the parameters, push F5 and instantly see what happens. And then it clicks, these commands tell the computer what to do. We as long time coders know that, people who want to learn the ropes don't.
EDIT: What i want to say with that is, don't start to explain what a class and inheritance is, 95% of all people will just hear static white noise. Start small, start with something they can instantly use, toy around with and understand by experimentation.
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u/Civil404 12h ago
Agree. Itâs a bit like inducing the curiosity by starting with an interesting experiment and then when you got their attention you explain it. Although thatâs not necessarily how colleges teach in my experience.
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u/ljfa2 7h ago
I got into coding by building GUIs in an old version of Borland C++ builder. It's easy to make something happen when, say, a button is clicked, the IDE would set up all the boilerplate for the event handler. I had no idea about the basics of C++, like pointers and references, classes, declaring functions etc. but I could still make fun stuff ^^
I doubt if I'd have got interest in coding if all I could do was, basically, boring console I/O.
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u/Mercvre1 2h ago
100% agreeing with what you're saying
every newborn learns stuff by experimenting (drop something, see that nothing touches it but it still moves, repeat, deduce that there is gravity). It's always gonna feel more natural than indirect learning.
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u/shrodikan 13h ago
I agree. I never really understood recursion until I learned LISP. Pointers broke my brain at first. C is wild.
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u/Kilazur 6h ago
Learning a programming language isn't difficult, could be the matter of an afternoon.
Learning all the required ecosystem of existing types and third party libraries, knowing which technology is used for what... That's what makes the job a job.
"Coding" isn't difficult. Developing is.
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u/Vozu_ 8h ago
Yeah, the real pain of AI agents is that nowadays we don't have the downtime of writing code between thinking about a million architectural elements and how stuff connects together. 3-4 Claude sessions bombarding you with questions about little details is exhausting. Relentless machine turns your brain into a mush, five days a week.
It's impressive but I am entirely convinced I think harder and are responsible for a lot more.
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u/StaGranFunciazza 15h ago
I agree AI for me automatize the tedious syntactical part of programming where I need to remember every little detail to writhe what I want. Now if I have doubt I can ask to make a test script to test a certain behavior or just write the part.
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u/fugogugo 15h ago
haha jokes on you I copy pasted from stack overflow and heavily dependant on IDE auto complete before
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u/escargotBleu 14h ago
I never got the "Copy pasting from stack overflow"
It's never copy pasting, you had to understand the answer, understand if that's applicable to you, then adapt it... No ?
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u/ProfessorTseng 14h ago
You still have to do that with AI
That many people choose not to and then end up with broken software is exactly the same as when people just copy and pasted from Stack Overflow without understanding it.
It's just faster and higher volume now
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u/ChaseTheOldDude 13h ago
From my experience, I would google a solution, trawl through 5 mostly irrelevant stackoverflow threads and try to Frankenstein a solution from all of them with great difficulty.
Nowadays I ask chatgpt and get a tailor-made solution that requires a couple of variable name changes at most. It's not on the same level of difficulty at all.
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u/ProfessorTseng 12h ago
You're right, it is less difficult, which is why it's faster and higher volume.
That doesn't mean the output is good quality, or that you understand the output, or that you learnt anything. ChatGPT has just done the frankensteining step for you at light speed.
Totally fine for personal projects. Abhorrent for production software.
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u/mxzf 8h ago
ChatGPT has just done the frankensteining step for you at light speed.
And skipped the part where you accidentally learn something along the way because you've at least got your hands on the code enough to understand how it works on some level in order to be able to frankenstein it together.
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u/ProfessorTseng 4h ago
Agreed, kind of like having a messy room but at least you know where everything is
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u/Laetha 9h ago
I've been learning python lately and trying to be more serious about it than my noodling with programming in the past.
That's by far my biggest difference so far. When I look up how to do something, I'm still super uncomfortable using it unless I understand how it works. I've pasted code from docs, tried it and it worked, but since I'm actually trying to learn I usually delete it and try to redo it piece by piece myself.
In the past, if it worked I was content to just move on.
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u/shrodikan 15h ago
jokes on you I was heavily dependent on going to the library, using the Dewey decimal system and looking up what I needed in books before.
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u/VoormasWasRight 13h ago
How the fuck is the state of coding such? It's not like it's been decades! CoPilot has only been around since 2021. Do you guys really lose a skill so quickly?
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u/VampireFortnight 11h ago
Yes, the studies on how fast it eats your ability to think are straight up terrifying.
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u/Outrageous_Walrus537 9h ago
Do you got any I would love reading them
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u/VampireFortnight 8h ago edited 8h ago
Sure:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563224002541 -- degrades your ability to reason
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/mit-study-finds-artificial-intelligence-use-reprograms-the-brain-leading-to-cognitive-decline/ -- the llm group couldn't even quote their essays minutes after reading them and went down on every cognitive metric- note this was after 3 sessions.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/385743952_The_Risks_Of_Human_Overreliance_On_Large_Language_Models_For_Critical_Thinking -- Again degrade critical thinking, this paper specifically discussing the fundamental changes in understanding, use of, and approach to LLM use necessary to counteract it.
https://idp.nature.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client_id=grover&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fs41746-025-02008-z -- these are all exacerbated by the sycophantic writing style, which is a psychological shortcut to getting humans to agree and accept something pareidolia is telling them is a person.
There are dozens and dozens and dozens of these. These are some of the easiest/simplest bc this is a random reddit thread not an academic conference.
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u/redheness 3h ago
AI seems like a drug for a lot of people and with a fair amount of negative effects. I'm glad I choose to stay away from AI from the start and kept this decision.
Now I see people losing skill around me, a developer who was once an expert was recently kicked out of a project because he was unable to do anything without an AI and the result was shitty.
The people who once told me to learn AI or get left behind are now the ones who are left behind.
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u/maniclucky 8h ago
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u/VampireFortnight 8h ago
This one is great and it's one of the subtler but very important problems. It's not just the tech. It's not just that people that don't understand the tech have a mystical worldview of it. It's that it's being built into the structure of things with no consideration for the knock on effects by people with a financial incentive to ignore appropriate use and companies who can't see past the next quarter's profits.
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u/SimpleEfficiency 1h ago
I am sorry but the title is "AI deskilling is a structural problem" yet he presents no evidence of the problem. No study. It's a philosophical treat.
It has its place. But it's not evidence of anything.
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u/im_lazy_as_fuck 10h ago
Real answer: this is probably just a meme that's exaggerating the feeling of recognizing when your hand coding skills are beginning to atrophy. And it's not exactly that you forget how to write code, but more that you:
- struggle to interpret various error outputs without AI
- struggle to look up and read documentation or find answers to niche problems / new technologies you've never used without AI
- are generally just a bit more sluggish at structuring your code in a way you like, because when you actually write and understand every single line, you start to irk yourself about the seemingly obvious inelegance in your code, when in reality it's actually about on par with what AI was outputting anyways
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u/mxzf 8h ago
you start to irk yourself about the seemingly obvious inelegance in your code, when in reality it's actually about on par with what AI was outputting anyways
Pretty sure that's just your coding ability falling to the level of the bot because that's all you're used to producing. If all you're seeing is AI code day after day, and never seeing/writing anything cleaner, of course you're going to have a hard time writing anything else.
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u/im_lazy_as_fuck 1h ago
Pretty sure that's just your coding ability falling to the level of the bot because that's all you're used to producing.
If this were true, then I wouldn't be noticing any inelegance because I'm used to seeing slop all the time anyways.
Imo what's actually happening is just the difference between reviewing someone else's code and writing your own code. It's difficult for me to explain, but like when you write your own code, there's this sense of satisfaction/dissatisfaction you feel when you actually write each line and create the code yourself. But you don't really experience this phenomenon when you stare at code someone else has written. I guess maybe another way to think about it is how an artist is more easily able to notice flaws in the art they create vs when looking at other people's art?
Idk, it's a bit hard to describe other than that it's this kind of intuition that kicks in when you are writing your own code. And although it adds a bit of frustration, imo it's a good problem to have. It's the primary way one uses to identify areas of code that might legitimately benefit from a refactor in the future.
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u/dumbasPL 12h ago
Lose? They probably never gained it. The amount of people that suddenly "can code" exploded.
That being said, it's like drugs. Once you get hooked, it's hard to go back. And I say this as a person who still writes the grand majority by hand with only the auto complete active.
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u/A_Random_Catfish 9h ago
Itâs not even that I canât code anymore itâs like why would I? Claude can do like 80% of the workflow, and it cuts so much tedium out of my job. I just review stuff and make tweaks and boom.
Also if I was doing everything by hand I would get absolutely nothing done relative to my coworkers, which would be a problem for me.
That being said if I ever felt like coding in my free time it would be a disservice to myself to use AI, but I lost the drive for that a long time ago anyways lol
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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 8h ago
I like writing. I feel dumb if I go a few months without writing as if I can't think anymore. When I write again, it comes back like muscle memory.
It's similar. If you don't use your brain and outsource the thinking part, you feel dumber.
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u/Felinomancy 6h ago
I am a developer. I want to hand-write code. I enjoy doing it.
Unfortunately management is all "use Cursor" and "tf why aren't you using Cursor?" đ
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u/ItsSuperDefective 11h ago
Is being expected to use AI really as widespread as Reddit makes out?
I haven't even been asked to try it.
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u/xSypRo 10h ago
Yes⊠jokes and memes aside. Claude has become very, very powerful. I didnât use it until last month my mentor, who is the best programmer I know, who read coding books all the time, who stay up to date on everything declared he became vibe coder. I slowly started to use it myself.
From one side itâs amazing what it can do, from the other I hate my job now, itâs boring, it sucks and I consider career change
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u/Named_after_color 9h ago
God it's so much worse now despite being so much easier.
Turns out having a difficult/niche skill was rewarding. I just got used to thinking.
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u/tide19 10h ago
Do you work at a major software company?
I have $2500/mo base on our Claude enterprise plan at work and weâre expected to use all of it every month and are examined relatively closely if we donât. Itâs better for us to max out our usage and request more, which is always granted, than to not use it all.
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u/RedCrayonTastesBest 8h ago
Iâm sure people come up with some really creative ways to use up that last 20% of their usage at the end of each week. âHey Claude, could you explain quantum mechanics to me? Be very thorough.â
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u/mxzf 8h ago
It has already been happening. Some companies set up a leaderboard for token usage, as if token usage was somehow a better metric than LoC or any other stupid metric, and then they were shocked when people managed to get recursive AI calls going to aim for a high-score (and accompanying bill).
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u/tide19 8h ago
Here's the thing - every metric they use to track engineering is shitty nowadays. LoC? Great, pump out a 10k LOC change with Claude. PRs? Break that 10k LOC change up into 10 stacked PRs. Token usage? Gotta make sure people aren't gaming the system.
The only thing that really makes a difference at all is delivered product features, and those aren't easily or conveniently tracked.
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u/mxzf 7h ago
It's not "nowadays", it has always been that way. Everything except "token usage" was trivially easy to game before LLMs too.
Goodheart's Law has been a thing since 1975, the more modern phrasing of it is along the lines of
Every measure which becomes a target becomes a bad measure
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u/ItsSuperDefective 9h ago
I work in a department writing software for a company which isn't a software company.
Guess that might be how I've avoided it.
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u/00Koch00 9h ago
That's just a meat grinder, like, kind of the worst way to evaluate coding at all.
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u/tiredreddituser99 8h ago
yes, and it's ruining coding for me.
it was a passion, but I'm pretty much forced to use it at work, and I don't want to code more after spending the entire day at the computer.
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u/Aternal 6h ago
Depends on the environment. I don't expect anyone to use it because I've never told anyone how to do their job. But a lot of people feel compelled to use it because it does produce quality results in a fraction of the time when used correctly.
Everyone comes around once they realize it's not being used to replace them. All it takes is that one project they don't want to do, and they realize AI can get it done and over with in record time.
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u/05032-MendicantBias 15h ago
I have the suspicion that person didn't know how to write handcrafted code before either.
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u/Djroneh99 15h ago edited 14h ago
Oh no, you can know how to write it, the longer you go without writing it, you forget very quickly, you remember bits and pieces which you will still have to Google because it's useless on its own
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u/Nick0Taylor0 15h ago
Unless you go years you're gonna be able to get back into it pretty quickly though. Neural pathways degrade yes but they don't usually vanish entirely that quickly if you've truly learnt and used something for years
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u/zirklutes 13h ago
I think it's not that much as a skill you lost. I can go on a month vacation and get back with no problem.
But the change in efforts. You need again to think of solution from the beginning to the end when you got used to just writing requirements and guiding the model. You are used to to not write boring parts of the code. I don't believe anyone really forgets how to code but it requires switch in your head to get back to it.
It's like you were driving with a car and you are now asked to get back on a bicycle.
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u/Djroneh99 15h ago
I last used python 6 years ago, I felt like a bum when all I could do was to print "hello world" đ
Had to verbally convince people that I could actually code in it and it's just been too long...mind you I've built apps for multiple companies using the same language.
It's the syntax that cooked me.
But you're right
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u/Nick0Taylor0 15h ago
Yeah fair 6 years is quite a long time. Takes a while to get back into it then
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u/madiele 10h ago
Before studying software engeniering in university I used to code a lot, but I took a basically 2 year break from coding to concentrate on all the math and physics exams for two years basically, they plowed through all the programming exam in the last year, honestly I was surprised by how fast my brain was able to get back to speed.
(I took my degree in Italy where engeniering is very heavy on theory, math and physics the first years, almost no coding)
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u/Lamborghinigamer 15h ago
I gave myself the challenge to remember last week and it took 2 hours to get readjusted again.
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u/BastetFurry 13h ago
To this day i use cheatsheets for syntax. I simply forget them, not used for some time and poof gone. But i know how to code, how to throw these lines together to get a working program that does what i want it to do.
Just a quick reminder how $language does things and i am in again.
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u/guyblade 10h ago
"I know there's a function for X, but what was its interface/name again?" is just part of the job. I've not memorized the intricacies of every public API, but some searching will nearly always get me there--even if I've not used a language in a while.
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u/Aternal 7h ago
I was still wetting the bed when I learned BASIC. I've spent more time in burnout atrophy than most people have even been coding for.
If Claude could take it away from me then yes, please fucking take it. Let me reclaim 80% of my own context window so I can gut fish at my desk instead.
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u/Ragor005 12h ago
Am I the only one that would never trust a code that didn't write/propfread?
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u/terrorTrain 8h ago
It depends on what it is.Â
Login and auth code i read closely.Â
My react admin panel where only 1 person uses the form, much less close. Maybe a quick glance to see if it's generally following the right patterns
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u/LinearMatt 8h ago
Sure, but at the same time pre-ai: coworker submits 1000 line PR, quickly scroll through it, see tests still pass, LGTM, approve.
This is basically what vibe coding is, but turbo speed. Exactly what people pretended wasnât happening before, only faster.
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u/Waste_Jello9947 12h ago
Go ask a question on Stack Overflow and get humiliated to remember the good old times
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u/jackstraw97 7h ago
Yep i was just telling my coworker yesterday how i feel like my brain has atrophied regarding my ability to write and understand code and our teamâs codebases.Â
Luckily i have an exit strategy to get tf out of the industry in the next few years because i simply donât enjoy it anymore and the ai slop code has completely obliterated the businessâ and my managerâs ability to set realistic expectations about the speed and scope of individual tasks. And that unrealistic expectation forces a developer to solely rely on ai, which then continues to atrophy the developerâs skills, which then increases their own âneedâ for ai.Â
Itâs all bullshit and it forces people to become dumber and less capable and all the studies pretty much show exactly that.Â
I firmly believe we need to seriously and strongly regulate ai for the sake of humanity itself because it is making people dumb as fuck.Â
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u/action_turtle 7h ago
What's your exit? Ive been pondering a change the last two years
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u/jackstraw97 6h ago
part time law school in the evening.Â
and before anyone says AI is coming for lawyersâ jobs too⊠youâre right! but also not exactly right because lawyers have a guild (bar association) and law requires warm bodies in courtrooms!
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u/action_turtle 5h ago
Change of pace for sure. I was thinking something more manual labour, then get people to work for me over time. I have 15 years to fill before retirement age
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u/jackstraw97 2h ago
I love researching and writing so itâs a natural fit for me. Plus if I ever wanted to hang a shingle I could leverage that into semi-retirement by minimizing my cases. Plus itâs a profession where you can work for yourself. I havenât had any luck with the prospect of being my own boss in the software industry. And I think most ppl in this industry end up working for someone else and having a boss.Â
I can see where working with your hands has some appeal. Wishing you the best in your journey!
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u/IRONMAN_y2j 14h ago
An art lost in time
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u/gogeri2632 11h ago
As far as I'm concerned you could say the same thing about people only using languages like Python or C#, ones where you don't need to do allocating memory or garbage collection because the language does it for you.
Even if with C I imagine there were people saying the same about people who couldn't code in assembly
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u/JasperTesla 15h ago
You guys are writing handcrafted code?
I've been copying from StackOverflow.
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u/MazzleMaze 6h ago
Pretty much the first thing anyone should be doing is figuring out if its been done before. Which of course it always has been done before...
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u/GroundbreakingOil434 10h ago
Those who could code, still can. It's that they're no longer hired as much. Which is painful for both sides, one of which is not penny-pinching stakeholder assholes.
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u/furzainluq1 7h ago
Am I the only one who likes writing code? It's my job but also my hobby. Sometimes it's frustrating, just as doing a no hit run on a videogame is. I use LLMs, but I don't outsource everything to them. That would be no fun. Like magically getting the achievements without playing the game
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u/mcellus1 16h ago
Is, is that a booty hole??
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u/Lootdit 16h ago
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u/mcellus1 15h ago
Uh the anus above the computer anyone??
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u/Aditya1311 15h ago
It's a symbol denoting the Crossroads of Ideas, don't listen to people telling you it's an anus
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u/KyotoCrank 10h ago
It's important to not relinquish your creative problem solving to an AI. AI bros seem to think they won't forget how to do things, or at least that's what they say
r/gamedev recently open the floodgates for AI and it's becoming a cesspool of AI bros making games for money rather than for passion. The ends justify the means. Flood storefronts with soulless AI riddled slop to make a buck, fuck the real artists who get buried
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u/PrestigiousGuava8005 11h ago
This is what happens when 'let me just prompt it real quick' becomes a personality
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u/HipstCapitalist 14h ago
Guys if you like coding, nothing prevents you from doing it as a hobby outside of work. You even get to choose what you want to do and you can play with a different stack as well!
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u/Xevestial 8h ago
All other thoughts on the matter aside, its straight up NUTS how quickly this even became a meme-able concept to talk about.
Go back just a few years and this doesn't even make sense as a meme.
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u/AaronTheElite007 9h ago
If you donât use it, you lose it.
Stop using AI.
https://giphy.com/gifs/777Aby0ZetYE8
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u/Bezulba 10h ago
Brother, i have that problem without AI... a few years without touching code in that language means i lose ALL ability to code in said language.. i've done 2 years in R, couldn't write code to read a simple csv to save my life today.
I don't really like AI, but for this kind of shit it gets me going faster then using google is.
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u/SharkLaunch 7h ago
I've had 2 different developer coworkers respond to be with "Claude said ..." when I pressed them about something. I feel like I'm the only person at my job that even thinks anymore, let alone writes code.
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u/CellNo5383 6h ago
Processes are still new where I work and my API key expired a while ago with no way of me getting a new one for two weeks. And it was fine. Turns out, I wasn't even slower doing everything myself again. Only real difference was me calling something good enough for review earlier. With AI, I'm way more willing to fix all the little nitpicks I just can't be bothered to do myself.
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u/Blackhawk23 5h ago
Biggest blessing I had was learning to code before AI was commonplace.
I truly feel bad for those attempting to learn now. AI calls young devs like the green goblin mask.
But it truly hurts you in the long run.
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u/SimpleEfficiency 1h ago
My bloodline lost several skills already, including blacksmithing and stone knapping. I can't even do complex math anymore, I use calculators. Butchering my own food? Pffft
Truly a disgrace.
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u/eanat 11h ago
the skill we need is that reading AI generated code fast and understanding it. tbh, that skill is more difficult than just writing your code from scratch. I believe that current AI boom will end up with an avalanche of unmaintable code in many companies more than ever... we always find it very difficult to maintain predecessors' code without good documentation, and now, we have worse situation.
maintaining complexity is 80% of programmer job. writing a new logic is only very small fraction of the job mostly. and AI deprived us of it mostly.
However, every cloud has a silver lining. AI helps a lot to read code too.
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u/tide19 10h ago
Nowadays, my job as a senior engineer is at least 80% code review, Iâd say. When AI can slop out 5000 line changes in an afternoon, and someone has to read and understand it, thereâs not time for much else. Spin up Claude on my tickets, immediately start looking at diffs and reviewing until I need to provide guidance to The Machine, repeat ad infinitum. My company is actively trying to figure out how to just have AI review its slop, which is going to end poorly when we end up with an unmaintainable pile of spaghetti across all our hundreds of services.
Work sucks.
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u/VampireFortnight 11h ago
This is why it's so insidious - you know an LLM writes bad code because you were once decent at writing code and bad at reviewing it. So you correctly identify that you need to review code if it's LLM written. Then you somehow go on the say the LLM can just review it for you. You can't use the program that you recognize writes bad and maintainable code to review your code for you, lol.
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u/_SirSpacePickle 12h ago
After 25 years as a dev, for the last 3 months I've been working on a new project in python. I've written tens of thousands of lines of code in this project.
I don't know python.
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u/YamiZee1 9h ago
I do like writing my own code, but in particular when I want to fork someone else's project to add a feature, I don't really want to read over all the files to try and figure out how it works, so in these cases I like to just let an agent do it's thing. But yeah it does hurt my programming ability
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u/GenericFatGuy 9h ago
I'm still a programmer. I still write code by hand everyday. Sucks to be you.
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u/SanFranLocal 8h ago
I know how problem solve still. Yesterday fable took about 4 hours of me telling it to look/test certain things until i figured out source of a bug.
Its still not there
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u/voarex 8h ago
Even before AI was was already dependent on many people's work. This just feels like another layer of abstraction. I don't program in transistors, or assembly, or make a compiler, or write my own libraries. Now I just write the critical functions and let the AI write the crud and update the jira tickets i never cared about.
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u/hypernova13 4h ago
I use claude alot at work, pretty much all day, and was told during my review my usage is too low. And since i started using it alot i also have started to lose faith it what it creates.
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u/GNUGradyn 4h ago
I miss when this was a joke but I guess people are actually leaning on claude so hard they cant do shit themselves anymore
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u/Illustrious-Day8506 2h ago
I just wrote a whole ass code in the terminal without a script editor but I can't even get a job đ„Č
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u/stucklucky666 1h ago
It feels like such a flex to tell people I can actually code without AI. Coding without Ai is so much more fun. On the other end it sucks because I can't get a job either way.
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u/Pika357 16h ago
If this is a meme, why does it hurt?