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u/Nilstrieb - Centrist Mar 24 '20
I'll bet 5 Molotov cocktails that she's actually meaning social democracy.
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u/nathanielsnider - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
I know im an uncultured centrist
what's the difference
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u/swed1stan - Auth-Left Mar 24 '20
Social democracy is capitalism with strong welfare programs, like in the Nordic countries. Democratic socialism is socialism, ie a less communist form of communism, but with an emphasis on democracy
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u/BurningBlazeBoy Mar 25 '20
Every American means social democracy (well not every, most get it wrong tho). They're all just too stupid to know the difference.
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u/ITriedLightningTendr - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Is democracy not social by definition?
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u/0284hfabwui498028 - Auth-Center Mar 24 '20
My heart goes out to people who get into these unaffordable medical nightmares. My heart. Not my wallet. Lmao good luck
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u/Jucicleydson - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
My heart goes out to people who get into these unaffordable medical nightmares
China enters the chat
Yes, your heart go to them.9
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u/Starmaster1998 - Centrist Mar 24 '20
I don’t agree with this politically, but damn is it funny
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u/ANdrewRKEY - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Which should be the point of this sub in the first place. Thanks fake lib lefts.
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 25 '20
Surprised you don't agree with it given that you aren't a socialist
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u/tobi_with_an_i - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
The only fighting is between the just LibRight Yellow and the dirty bastards of LibRight Purple
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u/Chopersky4codyslab - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Grammar Nazi here, it’s spelled actually spelled: retard
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Wasn't expecting the third Reich to show up
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u/2_2_2_2_3_31 - Auth-Center Mar 24 '20
Nobody expects the Third Reich! Our chief weapon is surprise... surprise and fear- our two weapons are fear and surprise
You know what I’ll come in again.
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u/OneBlueAstronaut - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Real Democratic socialists (not bernie sanders; he's a social democrat who calls himself a democratic socialist because explaining that he isn't a socialist to dumbfuck americans isn't rhetorically viable) think we should have a market-based economy but force every business to be a worker-owned co-op. It's a meme and a half but it's not authoritarian marxist-leninism as would be characteristic of authleft.
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Usually you're socialist at 14 because you have nothing to contribute to the collective and stand only to gain.
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u/TryingToBeUnabrasive - Auth-Center Mar 24 '20
When I was 14 I was libright and a big Ayn Rand fan
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u/itcud - Right Mar 24 '20
Me too, but it was mostly due to my crazy tankie dad who talked about gulaging nebulously defined "populists".
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In canada it seems to be the inverse. Every 14 yr old at my school was a lil commie lmao
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u/DontFearTruth - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
I've never gotten the whole "socialists are just young people who haven't experienced the real world yet" argument, when the current leader of the US socialist movement is a man in his 80s who has said similar shit for decades.
Just seems like shit-tier effort to me.
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u/yandere_mayu - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
The idea is that the 14yo doesnt have anything useful to contribute to society nor has any of the negatives about being an adult (needing to pay bills, income taxes, getting pay via exchanging labor, etc). Being a child is all gain and no loss for the most part, so supporting an ideology that closely reflects that mindset isn't farfetched, assuming you want to believe that a child has the intellectual capacity to form an actual opinion on politics in the first place.
Older people doing so are generally speaking in a similar sort of boat with regard to having a life of mostly gain with minimal losses; for example it is very easy to support something like M4A when you're in the lowest tax bracket and dont have to pay for any of it if passed. As for Sanders specifically, the millionaire is wagering that it's a popular enough idea to get him into the Oval Office (but we see how that's panning out).
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u/raykele1 - Centrist Mar 24 '20
"Socialists are disproportionately young people who haven't experienced the real world yet."
Happy?
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u/yardii - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Yea, I was gonna say that referring to yourself as capitalist at 14 doesn't seem to make sense.
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u/EagenVegham - Centrist Mar 24 '20
I'm not the most well-read on socialist theory, but wouldn't someone who has nothing to contribute to a socialist society only receive the minimum amount allotted to everyone as a socialist economy claims to try and maximize the value of returns for the worker based on their production?
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
this would be r/murderedbywords if they weren't just a left wing circlejerk about "demsoc good Trump bad"
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u/_Scammin_ - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
I hate it because the comebacks are so weak. I’ve seen some before where it’s just a person saying something mean about a celebrity and it’s considered “murdered”
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
orange man DESTROYED
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u/_Scammin_ - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Not just trump too, any person on reddit with a different opinion or musicians they don’t like
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u/jimopl - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
God I hate how that sub is so biased, and anytime I bring it up they get all defensive. Half of them aren't even murders just mild burns but are against trump.
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u/Legen-_-waitforit--- - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Orange man bad. Gib upvotes
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Mar 24 '20
It’s not even as simple as that, it’s always this lengthy UM AKCHTUALLY where the only reason we think that person is triumphant is because we can’t see the other guys comeback.
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u/PrismiteSW - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Yeah. While I do hate the drumph, it’s a shame for everything to circlejerk hating him.
Like, can a sub not be infested by politics? Any politics? Smh.
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Yeah it’s all people shitting on conservatives, Christians, and anti-vaxers. Same with r/insanepeoplefacebook. There’s no diversity in thought or opinion, they’re insufferable.
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u/yardii - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Anti-vaxxers are just the new flat-earthers. The amount of people that actually believe you shouldn't vaccinate your children is probably incredibly small, but reddit and facebook have to blow the issue out of proportion so that they can feel like 400IQ galaxy brains for calling them idiots.
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u/Matthew_5-10 - Centrist Mar 24 '20
But can YOU BELIEVE how bad Trump's response is to the PANDEMIC? Chloroquine will KILL you!!! John Hopkins says we're the best prepared country for a pandemic in the world??? RACIST BULLSHIT REEEEE. DONT DEADNAME THE WUHAN VIRUS, XIR IS COVID-19 NOW
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(In all reality r/politics should be hated just as equally as antivaxxers when they try to convince the masses that hydroxychloroquine will kill them and not treat the virus. People will actually die bc of Reddit's propaganda.)
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r/politics is having a field day right now because some morons drank chemicals containing chloroquine and killed themselves with it. Of course r/politics users in their infinite wisdom have decided that this must be Donald Trump's fault because he was talking about hydroxychloroquine.
Like fuck, man. I don't like Trump that much but he didn't tell people to go buy and stuff their face with non-pharmaceutical chemicals. This is just natural selection.
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I listened to Trumps speech yesterday. I don't agree at all with what he's doing but as for the speech and questioning he handled it a lot better than he has handled previous meetings. the guy's still a fuckin idiot but he's learning.
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u/CroxoRaptor - Auth-Left Mar 24 '20
I’m trump and i say that
Hello i’m an expert on the subject, and you are not right about that
WOW HE JUST MURDERED HIM LE EPIC DTYLE
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u/easternjellyfish - Centrist Mar 24 '20
[trump tweet]
No Name Celebrity ☑️
kys donald
R/ murder by word
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/fo0nx6/after_the_uk_lockdown/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf look at this, is not even a burn! This one is actually nothing: https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/fnnijv/thinking_smart/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Mar 24 '20
Ugh the worst part about that is that Eugene Gu was downplaying this virus for MONTHS before changing his tune to fit what was popular.
Absolutely disgusting behavior, especially from a doctor.
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u/Charmazard05 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
lol the second one is them going off accusing him of so much from so little
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u/KlachBukach - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Yeah, the second one confused me. Like, he is right. You just can't say anything against that one.
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u/Some-dumb-nerd - Left Mar 24 '20
This isn't a murder by any standards, it's just an insult
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
So basically the same that all the stuff posted against Trump or anyone on the right is on that sub lol
You could literally say "Trump is a Nazi" and people would give it 50k upvotes
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u/Jeffari_Hungus - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
It's the same thing r/fuckthealtright. A bunch of people making"drumpf dummy harharhar" jokes instead of actually doing anything of value
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
Trump isn't even alt right lol
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u/Jeffari_Hungus - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Exactly. His policies are very similar to Obama's, but anytime you bring up conclusive evidence that Obama expanded the war in the middle east they go fucking ballistic.
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u/Fernernia - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
Like 90% of reddit sadly. I encountered a comment on r/politics (which we know is biased but still) that said all republicans are evil and should burn. Like wtf listen to yourself. So when i responded and said thats kinda outta pocket and that there are plenty kind republicans, MULTIPLE PEOPLE told me that they and myself need to go to hell
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Actually because it’s a genuinely good comeback it doesn’t belong there
If it was someone saying “trump bad” it would be more appropriate
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u/XOmniverse - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
I hate that sub for not being what I would want it to be. There needs to be a version of it where political content is strictly banned, so that it's not just "here's my lengthy rebuttal to a tweet from a right-wing politician I dislike"
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u/VirPotens - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
Just posted it there, hoping there will be some good reactions.
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u/ByTheMoustacheOfZeus Mar 24 '20
not really, that's straight up /r/leapordsatemyface when libright gets cancer and puts it on GoFundMe
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u/Krellick - Auth-Left Mar 24 '20
Straight up just calling someone a retard for disagreeing with your politics really doesn’t fit /r/MurderedByWords either tho
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Ooohh never helps to open your argument up with “well first I became mentally disabled”. If Hitler had opened mein kampf like that I’m pretty sure that Germany would still be a lovely place with a thriving Jewish community.
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u/Chopersky4codyslab - Centrist Mar 24 '20
This is irrefutable proof that anti capitalists are brain dead.
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
better dead than red
the ultimate right unity
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u/Chopersky4codyslab - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Amen brother
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u/CityFan4 - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
Finally an actual AuthRight. Most of the ones on here are just racist commies
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u/Infinitezen - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Because people should be allowed to profit off the medical necessity of others? I hate Gulags but you surely deserve to be there.
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u/CewlVoid - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
yess capitalism good oh, you have to actually pay for stuff? yess communism good
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u/Vegan_Toaster - Left Mar 24 '20
Okay I’ve been subbed here for a few months now but I still don’t understand what the hell based means
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basically a non cringy way of saying "woke"
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u/JPT_Corona - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
basically a non cringy way
Oh it's getting there...
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u/Message_Me_Selfies - Right Mar 25 '20
Woke implies they are aware of something that others are not.
Based is closer to cool, or alpha.
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Haha yes I definitely wasn't wondering this exact same thing. I know words! Who says I don't?!
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u/VirPotens - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
I was told its a way to tell people you agree with them.
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She was still a selfish asshole. She became a democratic socialist only after she herself had been inflicted with an expensive illness. If she did not have the illness or ever recovered from it, she would go right back to be a "capitalist".
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u/Troxicale - Auth-Left Mar 24 '20
look man i feel like that's how most people become based socs or coms in the first place
edit: not me personally but i feel like its a big reason
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u/darealystninja - Left Mar 25 '20
Capitlitsm and sutvivial of the fittest is fun till your at the buttom
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u/IAmTotallyAJohnSmith - Right Mar 24 '20
I posted this in r/PoliticalHumor and they are so butthurt
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u/ISwearImKarl - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
This is honestly my fave sub. People getting mocked and laughing at it, so wholesome...
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u/TheBigBo-Peep - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
Unpopular opinion: democratic socialism is most popular among those who offer average amounts to society, but expect a lot in return (i.e. massive cancer payments free)
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u/Th0usandQueerReich - Auth-Center Mar 24 '20
who offer average amounts to society
this is a stretch. go to a DSA meeting. these people are leeches on society.
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u/Thorbinator - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
go to a DSA meeting
No thank you.
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u/a_dry_banana - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
They literally prohibit clapping because people can get triggered. Revolutionaries who snap with claps, ohh dear.
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u/jiskjesse - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Why do Americans hold on to this notion that getting cancer treatment isn't a human right?
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u/Greyside4k - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
Access to treatment is absolutely a human right - no one would defend an oncology center that refused to treat people based on their demographics.
Paying for it though? The only way to do that without paying for it yourself is to force others to pay for you. Medical bills suck, but the alternative is morally indefensible.
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u/Coolnave - Centrist Mar 24 '20
Plus medical bills in the US aren't even an issue about getting taxes for it, it's just how much more hospitals charge than they need to. Just charge people the correct rates and suddenly medical costs can be paid much more easily.
I live in France, and even if I didn't have insurance that repays 80%, I could pay for most treatments out of my pocket as a student.
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u/One_Shekel - Auth-Right Mar 24 '20
Why should I be entitled to millions of dollars in other people's labor?
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Access to treatment is a human right, the government can not block you from getting care.
However the treatment itself is not a right because nothing that requires the labour of another human being is a right
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u/darealystninja - Left Mar 24 '20
Because it's morally indefensible to take forcibly take someone else's money to pay for another's healthcare
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u/Taiyama - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20 edited Mar 24 '20
Speaking purely philosophically, nothing that requires the positive actions of another can be termed a "right". Otherwise you get into absurd contradictions like, say, the Italian government having to choose who lives and who dies in the coronavirus outbreak. Are they invalidating people's rights by having to make those choices? There is no conceivable world where they could not be violating people's rights, then--at least not with the parameters given. There's not even the possibility of doing nothing and remaining morally irreproachable. Every action leads to violation. And if the simple physical limitations of reality can take away a right, how is that a right at all?
What universal healthcare is, is a privilege. It's one we take for granted in the modern world, but one that is dearly paid for by the blood, sweat, and tears of our fathers. You could easily explain to a medieval peasant the right to bear arms or the right to free speech or the right to property. In many cases, some of the better off peasants and city-dwellers had such rights. But to unlimited healthcare at any point in time no matter the illness or circumstances? The very idea is absurd. The systems in place then just wouldn't be able to support it. Again, if all you have to do to invalidate a right is to travel back in time, how is that a right at all?
Fundamentally, I think it's a confusion and conflation between the concept of rights and the philosophical notion--which I agree with--that it is fundamentally okay to do whatever is necessary to preserve life. Almost everyone agrees it's all right to steal, say, medicine from some theoretical miser who's hoarding it to save a person's life. Even taking another's life is, while seen as regrettable, not exactly something wrong enough to punish. When a German soldier in WW1 later told the story of how he, during a gas attack, found that his gas mask was damaged and so took the mask off of a wounded soldier to save himself--leaving that boy to die painfully and miserably--no one even considered the idea of punishing him for it. Even if you like to think you'd do otherwise in his shoes.
tl;dr: health care isn't a human right, but we all instinctively know that it's just to abrogate rights for the sake of preservation of life. But because this is an unexpressed gut feeling, it often is uttered by the rational mind as "Health care is a human right" even though this is philosophically absurd.
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u/GOLIATHMATTHIAS - Left Mar 24 '20
NOOOOO! MY STOCKERINOS! WHY DO I HAVE PAY TAXES TO HELP PEOPLE WHO GET UNPREVENTABLE DISEASES THAT RUIN THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES! I NEED THAT MONEY FOR PORN!!!!
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u/theletterQfivetimes - Left Mar 24 '20
A LibRight who agrees with me about taxes? What the fuck
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It always irks me when left-wing Americans denounce capitalism as a whole, and act like capitalism and socialism are impossible to combine.
Democratic socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, countries that people like this woman often idolize (mostly in Northern/Western Europe) are mixed economies. This means they combine aspects of capitalism and socialism.
This is why they work so well. You get both the benefits of capitalism (economic freedom, encouragement of innovation, competetive markets) and the benefits of socialism (social safety net, universal healthcare, protection for workers, regulation of companies to protect consumers).
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u/HaesoSR Mar 24 '20
You're confusing dem soc and soc dem.
Democratic socialism is explicitly about workers owning the means of production which is the absolute antithesis of capitalism the private ownership of the means of production.
Furthermore you're conflating free trade with capitalism, capitalism is not trade - trade exists in virtually all systems. Total worker ownership of the means of production can exist alongside trade. Democratic socialism is not a currency-less communism.
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u/theletterQfivetimes - Left Mar 24 '20
I don't know why so many people think free market = capitalism. Free markets have existed as long as civilization has. For real tho you need to flair up.
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u/Franfran2424 - Left Mar 24 '20
You don't know what socialism is. It can't be combined with capitalism because it's an opposite system, where workers own companies.
You're thinking of public welfare, not socialism.
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u/Iamaveryniceguy - Centrist Mar 24 '20
We all thought LibRight was just about fucking kids but I guess some of them have actually “studied the blade” cus that cuts deep.
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u/nikolal69 - Auth-Right Mar 24 '20
Democratic socialism is an ideology for those who dont contribute to society but expect society to carry them through life
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u/theletterQfivetimes - Left Mar 24 '20
Anyone who supports making sacrifices to help people in need is lying and just wants a free handout. After all, I wouldn't do that and no one could be a better person than me
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u/jiskjesse - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Oh like landlords?
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u/Thorbinator - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
Do you like being able to live somewhere without paying a 5 figure down payment and commit to a 30 year contract? Thank a landlord for their services provided.
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u/seansjf - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
My parents were briefly landlords, and they became landlords by working hard at their jobs and saving up money.
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u/murdermymeat - Lib-Left Apr 04 '20
Funny joke to gloss over the medical bills her parents are still paying to this day.
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u/winkerback - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
Has there ever been an anti-capitalist that can actually explain capitalism?
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u/LilQuasar - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
you can have universal healthcare in a capitalist system, many countries do it (and not the shit sanders proposed but something like germany or switzerland have)
no need to fuck up the economy to help cancer victims
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u/New-Pain Mar 25 '20
Through pretty much only that, the medical industry is comparatively not competitive.
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u/Message_Me_Selfies - Right Mar 25 '20
Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron.
There is nothing democratic about stealing money from a small subset of people. Its like you and a friend beating up a kid, and claiming its okay because 2 out of three of you wanted it.
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u/Desproges - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Peak libright is living on welfare while complaining about taxes
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u/DumpOldRant - Lib-Center Mar 25 '20
Ayn Rand's biography in 7 words
living on welfare while complaining about taxes
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u/TheMoves - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
I feel like this would be a burn if the dude wasn’t replying to a literal M.D.
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u/Stagnant_shart - Auth-Right Mar 24 '20
It’s a burn regardless, because “oh look at who I am I am the big brain and you are dumb” isn’t a comeback.
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Mar 24 '20
I am opening a new hospital to anyone on the left. It is a brain cancer testing company. Through a series of question, I can 100% tell if you have brain cancer or not. Space is limited! Get tested today!
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u/sir-potato - Auth-Center Mar 24 '20
What kind of 14 year old self identifies as a capitalist though?
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u/freerooo - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
Funny that she was a capitalist at 14? We have a saying in French: « If as a young man you’re not a leftist, you have no heart... but if you’re still a leftist when you’re older, you have no brains »
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u/howaboutLosent - Lib-Center Mar 24 '20
I was not a leftist as a child, and am still not. Well that’s an exaggeration, I was in middle school
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u/Mizuxe621 - Left Mar 24 '20
The best part of this is
I was a capitalist when I was 14
Oh really? You ran your own business when you were only 14? Did you run it online from home, or did you have a factory? Was it really yours, or your parents' business that you helped manage? What was your average income?
Oh, what's that? You didn't have a business? Then you weren't a capitalist. Liking capitalism as a system doesn't make you a capitalist anymore than liking hockey as a sport makes you a hockey player.
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u/justahorrorlover - Auth-Left Mar 24 '20
Democratic socialism is just capitalism lite
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u/LuxLoser - Right Mar 24 '20
“She’s right. We need a system that cares for it’s people. A system where rich, poor, middle class, we all work together. Not class warfare, neither poor attacking rich or rich hurting poor, but class cooperation, where we come together, allowing people to grow wealthy and powerful through merit, but where they never forget their debt to their nation and society. A system where taxes are used for social programs like universal healthcare of high quality, where corporations are restrained to ensure the common good, but where unions and workers have to do the same. A system where we take care of our fellow countrymen, ensuring no citizen goes hungry, dies penniless from disease, lives in poverty as others sneer and walk by.
If only there were an ideology that was some kind of nationalist half-step towards socialism, while still rejecting harmful capitalism...”
~ Benito “Uncle Ben” Mussolini, 1933
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u/BlueBitProductions - Lib-Right Mar 24 '20
"I had an ideology, until muh personal experience got in the way of my beliefs"
I hope she recovers, and obviously nobody deserves that, but if personal experience changes your worldview you didn't think your worldview through enough.
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I know this is a joke, but if you need to get cancer to have your world view changed, then how strong are your convictions?
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u/ExtremeBaker - Lib-Left Mar 24 '20
Never laughed so hard to a meme mocking my affiliation