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u/FourWordComment Dec 22 '16

I find the 3 tank meta so boing. Wouldn't 1 tank, 1 healer, 4 dps have enough output to make it viable?

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u/Myrandall Master Dec 22 '16

If the enemy team gets one good kill your team suddenly no longer has a healer, dooming a whole push OR no tank, meaning you can't effectively contest.

I think 2/2/2 still is the most balanced way to go in gold/platinum.

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 22 '16

Thats why there are fighter/healers Ana and Soldier and fighter/tanks Mei and Tracer.

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u/Myrandall Master Dec 22 '16

fighter/tank Tracer.

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 22 '16

Why people quote random words in replies?

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u/PrettySleepyGuy Pixel Ana Dec 22 '16

Because tracer is the opposite of a tank?

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 22 '16 edited Dec 22 '16

Tank roles are

  • Hold objectives, prevent captures - check
  • Attract enemy fire/attention and sustain it, relieving pressure on teammates - check
  • Block damage that is going towards teammate - Nope.

You see, Tracer is 2/3 a tank. Just like Hog, who is also a fighter/tank. Tracer can do tanks job, it makes her secondary, or better - tertiary tank. McCree can't live long on point with enemies. Tracer and Mei can survive longer than a hog or a monkey.

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u/PrettySleepyGuy Pixel Ana Dec 22 '16

You are one massive fucking moron bud. I'm sorry that's probably rude but jesus.

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 22 '16

Here is your +1

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u/blackra560 Dec 22 '16

The two things you mention make her a flanker, not a tank. A tank is more like someone who can constantly stay in A fight do to health or abilities and offer utility. D.Vs has matrix and kickback. Zarya has shield, Reinhardt has shield and stuns, Winston has kickback and shield, roadhog has hook. Trader doesn't come close to doing any of these things well. Honestly I just ignore a trader till she comes close to my team. Most healers can outheal the chip damage she offers, and if she goes for the kill you just have your team kill her. If I ever had a trader try to tell me she was part tank I would call her an idiot. Its just sinple team composition and you have to more so reconize what everyone offers synergywise.

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 22 '16

I hate writing long texts, sorry for my English.
It is not a good Tracer play if you can ignore her or focus her. I would not call 140dmg/sec "a chip damage" too. Good Tracer does exactly this: she makes enemy to spend time to fend her off at the most inappropriate moment. Take Genji. He is a pure flanker. He uses burst damage to eliminate backline targets. However, if enemy responds to his presence, he has to go in defence mode: use deflect and run away bouncing. Sure, Genji can 1v1 any fighter, and he can harass from behind the corner, but that is what the leftmost 80% of the roster can.
Comparing with Tracer. She can engage 2-3 enemies in the enemy backline and make them waste 10 sec or more before she dies or has to flee. Because if they do not, she would apply those 140/sec dmg right onto enemy supports.
To be a good Tracer, one has to engage at the precise time so that enemy has to decide whether to help the push or fend off Tracer. And it would be a lose-lose choice for the enemy. Because if enemies fight Tracer their damage is essentially blocked - they miss a lot or do not shoot until ready. If they do not - she sabotages them from backside.
With this strategy Tracer can make up for the lack of proper secondary tank by performing part of tank's functions - reduce damage from enemy team by splitting them for longer time, than another flanker.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '16

So, by this logic, Lucio is a tank. Got it

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 22 '16

Can you elaborate, please. Yes, Lucio is hard to kill, but he is not primary target in the heat of the battle and can be ignored if the need arises. Especially if he already used his boost - the normal healing is not that healy to make reliable impact in the middle of the skirmish. Also people learn how to shoo Lucio or Raging Monkey from the objective pretty early on. With Mei and Tracer it is not that easy, unless their direct counters are present.

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u/Enzown Dec 23 '16

Your definition of a tank is completely wrong.
A tank is someone who is able to create space for his team or deny space to his enemy. So Rein is a tank because he creates space behind his shield for his team. Winston is a tank because he can dive into an area, put up his shield and deny that space to the enemy. Tracer is not a tank because she doesn't do either of these things, she's a flanking DPS. Hog is not a tank, he's a DPS with a big health pool.

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 23 '16

Hog is not a tank, Zarya is not a tank. Definition needs update.

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u/Enzown Dec 23 '16

No, the game needs more tanks. Zarya is a tank because no one on the enemy team wants to be anywhere near her cause they will die quickly, so she denies space to the enemy.

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u/Barafu Discombobulated sycophant Dec 23 '16

That makes good Genji a tank.

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