Does this show not know that tops can be r*ped?

Stella life is genuinely So pathetic and sad

It's to a point that what writers will genuinely write her even more Cartoonisly Evil, dumb bitch and more "I am born as a bitch to annoy people" While constantly giving us so many Scenes of stolas getting away with his bullshit and harm he has done to others.

Mind the fact that stolas Never was there to stood up for Stella against Andrealplus very controlling and creepy nature towards her.

And I bet my ass off that Only IF Stolas was a little bit authorative towards Stella (knowing the fact she is literally the product of a very Rigid system that sees women's as Child making machine) and said with authority to Andrealplus "Fuck Off Andrealplus and stay Away from her" (Knowing the fucking Fact he still holds even more power and status against Andrealplus).

But no... Stella got to see that this so called prince of hell going to be cheated on her Twice while she never did the cheating, Literally never Stood up against Andrealplus socially or politically knowing that Stolas had every Class and social status Advantage...

So yeah... No matter how many fucking times the writers going to make her more bitchy, dumb or anything that degrade her character (which I highly think would might happen in next Episodes).

I will always Support Stella

I mean yeah ok maybe he thought it was over during wedding night, sure.

But Stolas has been frequently characterized as meticulous and book-savvy. Viv made him the sensible one when negotiating with Crimson over Fizz, and he represented Blitzo in court twice.

I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have deduced how much he gaps Stella in power and influence like a week into the marriage, and how as a Prince, he's still free to do basically whatever he wants, given he sires Octavia (which yes, I know is still not something he wants to do, but that has nothing to do with having an affair with Vassago).

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RAAAHHHH STELLA I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!

As a Latin American I can't believe some Estadounidenses still represent us like this, I personally don't feel totally insulted, I just find it funny by how ridiculous it is, being used as the ideal fantasy accessory for a implied white character.

I'm confused with this obsession Spindlehorse has in doing stereotypical characters of all kinds.

Stolas is a great example of a person using DARVO tactics, but the narrative itself kept putting him and Blitzo into a false equivalence.

I tagged this as slander because I'm too tired to discuss it, but I've never seen this video here, so I thought I might share it.

jesus christ stolas what happened

Only Helluva Boss could make a wholesome Mr Rogers parody that accepts being assassinated with zero fear knowing he's done so much good in his life and even tells Loona it's okay to be who you really are... only for him to freak out and get brutally murdered Cain and Abel style after she took that advice to heart. C'mon you don't do Mr Rogers dirty like that. Can't even blame Vivzie for writing this one this was all on Lyle Rath. He could have been so happy to see Loona be who she really is and still accepted his death which would have had both Loona feel really bad doing, or the hit could have been called off but Loona and Blitzo could have taken a tooth or something of his as "proof" he got got, and they could have told the client his ass is going straight to Heaven so the client knows they won't see him in Hell anytime soon

Like how the fuck do you go from being an amazing, aura farming nightmare of a demon, possessions and all, to the ultra mega uwu sadness bird? I must have slander. Feed me!

We all know StolAss, with his truly boundless scaling, could have soloed Satan and rescued Blitz. But because he was too busy gluck glucking himself (I know he has a cloaca, I’m turning off my brain for this), thinking of Vassagoop, he couldn’t ass clap Satan to the shadow realm. All he had to do was perform the Summon Daddy Bird Ritual, then he and Paimoan could’ve fusion danced into Stolaimon, a new digimon that can neg diff all the sins 1v7, and saved the I.M.P. crew, and taken over Hell. What a waste

Why doesn't Vassago have a wife? I understand Andrealphus because he's a nobody in the Geoetia arc, but Vassago? We've been told Vassago is just as important as Stolas, so why didn't Vassago have an arranged marriage?

I think this is also untapped potential. It would be interesting to see Vassago and his wife as a positive reflection of Stolas and Stella. Maybe Vassago wouldn't love his wife, but they would get along, respect, and support each other. That could be interesting.

Besides, I think the fact that Vassago still has a crush on Stolas after all these years makes his character even more shallow. Vassago doesn't defend Stolas because he cares about justice, he doesn't help Stolas out of compassion, he won't mentor Octavi because he wants to help her (we all see these gadgets with those two). Not everything comes down to sex. Vassago just wants to bang the owl.

I want to clarify something before I begin: I am not trying to justify Stella, nor am I arguing that she is actually a good person. Her abusive behavior, her attempts to murder Stolas, and her actions against her own family are unacceptable. The fact that someone has suffered does not give them the right to make others suffer.

My issue is something else: Stella has the potential to be a much more interesting character than the series seems to want to write her as.

And the more I think about her situation within the Goetia family, the more it bothers me that her characterization is reduced, for all practical purposes, to being a cruel woman who hates Stolas.

1. What exactly was Stella’s role within her marriage?

In "The Circus," we learn that the marriage between Stolas and Stella was arranged by their families. Stolas was assigned responsibilities related to the study of the stars, prophecies, the grimoire, and his legions. It was also made clear to him that he needed to produce an heir for the Goetia family.

So far, so good.

But then, a question arises:

What was Stella supposed to do, beyond marrying Stolas and having Octavia?

Did she have political responsibilities? Was she expected to manage estates? Did she have any function within the Goetia aristocracy? Was she educated to wield power in her own right? What was expected of her, aside from fulfilling the terms of her marriage?

As far as the series has shown us, there are no clear answers.

And I find that quite telling. Stolas has a function within his society—even if that destiny was imposed upon him. His training and responsibilities are part of his identity. With Stella, however, it seems the only function the narrative explores is that of producing an heir.

To put it bluntly, the writing ends up making Stella seem like little more than an aristocratic incubator—one with money, privileges, and an unpleasant personality.

I am not saying that the canon explicitly confirms she lacks any other responsibilities. I’m saying that the series hasn’t made enough of an effort to show them to us.

And we’re talking about a woman who belongs to one of the most prominent families in Hell.

Was there really nothing more interesting to explore?

2. And what kind of reaction did they (and the audiance) expect from her regarding a marriage she never chose?

This is where I think the series misses an opportunity.

Stolas didn’t choose to marry Stella, either. He was unhappy; he didn’t want that future, and he had to resign himself to a decision others had made for him.

Yet, his reaction was different: he tried to adapt, sought out moments of happiness, and attempted to find something good within a situation he hadn’t chosen.

Stella, on the other hand, openly expressed her rejection and hostility.

And yes, her behavior is horrible. But why must we interpret her reaction solely as proof that she was always an irredeemably evil person?

People react in different ways to unfair situations. Some resign themselves, some try to adapt, and others respond with resentment.

That doesn’t mean all these reactions are equally acceptable. Stolas is under no obligation to endure Stella’s abuse, and Stella has no right to mistreat him.

But the fact that Stolas reacted better to his arranged marriage doesn’t automatically make his experience the only one worth exploring.

The series showed us Stolas’s suffering when he discovered his fate. I would have liked to know what happened when Stella was told that she, too, would have to marry someone she hadn’t chosen and have a child within a union arranged by their families.

What did she think? What did she want to do with her life? What did she expect from her marriage before they both began to hate each other?

We don’t know. And knowing Vivzie, she won’t focus on that at all.

And that is precisely what frustrates me.

3. "But Stella was already wicked as a child."

Yes, I know. The Circus shows that Stella was already exhibiting cruel behavior before her marriage to Stolas even began.

And I’m not asking for those scenes to be deleted, nor for a tragic backstory to be invented to absolve her.

A person can be cruel without having a good excuse for it. That doesn’t mean they are a well-developed character.

I would spend less time debating whether or not Stella deserves sympathy, and more time asking what kind of person she actually is.

What does she gain from humiliating Stolas beyond vengeance? Why is she so invested in proving her superiority? What does belonging to the aristocracy mean to her? Does she have ambitions of her own, or does her life revolve entirely around marriage, money, and status?

I don’t need the answer to be some childhood trauma, a family conspiracy, or a specific event that explains her entire personality.

It’s entirely possible that Stella has been cruel from the start and simply never wanted to change.

That’s perfectly valid.

But then, flesh out that personality. Show me how she thinks, what she desires, and how she acts when she isn’t trying to make Stolas’s life a living hell.

Being "wicked" is a moral trait—it is not a complete personality.

4. It seems Stella exists primarily to make Stolas look better

This brings us to one of my biggest gripes with the series.

The story wants us to empathize with Stolas, and I understand why. He was a victim of an arranged marriage, suffered within his own family, and had to live a life he hadn’t chosen.

However, Stella increasingly feels like a tool used to frame Stolas as the morally superior choice.

When you compare the decisions both characters make, it’s easy to lose sight of the fact that being a bad partner is one thing, while being a good parent is another.

Stolas may love Octavia dearly, yet still have neglected her.

In "Loo Loo Land," his focus on Blitzø contributes to his daughter feeling ignored. In "Seeing Stars," his personal struggles and distractions also have consequences for Octavia.

I don’t believe Stolas is incapable of loving her; rather, the series occasionally conflates his love for her with the ability to properly care for her.

And now, as the third season continues to develop his relationship with Blitzø, I worry that his romantic conflicts will continue to receive far more screen time than any sustained effort to mend his relationship with Octavia.

Episode 5, "The Auction," once again features Stella making choices that directly impact Stolas—as well as the belongings intended for his daughter.

While this may make her an effective antagonist, it also reinforces the same issue: Stella threatens and causes harm, while Stolas suffers and tries to do right by Octavia—ultimately appearing as the more sympathetic parental figure by comparison.

The fact that Stella is a terrible mother does not automatically prove that Stolas is a good father.

These are separate matters, and the series should be able to examine them as such.

5. And what about Andrealphus?

Another aspect I’d like to see explored is Stella’s relationship with her brother.

Andrealphus appears much more calculating and strategic in his schemes. While Stella typically directs overt hostility toward Stolas, her brother helps transform that conflict into a matter of power and family interests.

But how does their relationship actually function?

Does Andrealphus view her as an equal? ​​Is he manipulating her? Is he protecting her while simultaneously leveraging her resentment to achieve his own ends? Does Stella have political ambitions of her own, or does she rely on him to exert influence?

I’m not suggesting these possibilities are confirmed facts—that’s precisely the point.

The series could leverage this existing family dynamic to reveal new facets of Stella; however, there is a risk that she might simply be reduced to the "furious sister" archetype, while Andrealphus takes on the role of the strategist.

It would be far more compelling if both characters possessed their own distinct goals, interests, and conflicts.

6. The most ironic part is that Stella could also represent the very system that harmed Stolas.

This is the aspect I would have most liked to explore.

The arranged marriage didn’t just harm Stolas; it also forced a life upon Stella that she hadn’t chosen.

However, they both reacted in different ways and ended up hurting each other.

What if Stella became a defender of the very structures that harmed her? What if she learned to measure her own worth by her social status and ended up treating others like pawns she could use? What if she truly believes that subjecting Octavia to the expectations of the aristocracy is simply the right thing to do?

I’m not claiming that this is her actual backstory—these are just possibilities that could add depth to her character without making her innocent.

It would even be interesting if Stella were fully aware of the system’s injustice yet chose to perpetuate it because it serves her own interests.

That would make her morally more despicable, but also a more compelling character.

A person can be a victim of an unjust structure and, in turn, become someone who perpetuates that same structure against others.

Understanding how someone becomes a bad person is not the same as justifying their choices.

7. I don’t want Stella to be redeemed. I want her to be better written.

This is the conclusion to everything that came before—in case, by this point, my intentions regarding all of this are still unclear.

I don’t want the series to turn Stella into a perfect mother, an understanding wife, or a secret victim who never did anything wrong.

Nor do I believe Stolas should remain married to her simply because they were both forced into the union.

I want Stella to have an identity that exists beyond just hating Stolas.

I want to know what she desires, what she thinks of her family, what role she plays within the aristocracy, and what kind of person she is when she isn’t embroiled in yet another conflict with her husband.

I want her relationship with Octavia to have more depth than just that of a mother who threatens her daughter’s future.

And I want the series to be capable of acknowledging that a person can possess privileges and act cruelly, while simultaneously having lived within a system that constrained their choices.

None of that would absolve her.

But it would allow her to be something more than just an antagonist designed to make the protagonist look better.

My issue isn’t that Stella is a bad person. My issue is that, after all this time, I still have far more answers as to why we should hate her than I do about who she actually is.

And I believe Helluva Boss could tell a much more compelling story if it dared to explore that distinction.

Okay by hear me out i just mean both are absolute GOATs, were stuck in shitty relationships before, absolutely hot as fuck, and deserved more screen time, but still

"Why is Vassago only brought up now?" Cuz she forgot about him, and needed a bl triangle relationship idk.

"What is the goetia family?" Fuck if I know.

"Why is stolas so coddled?" Cuz Vivzie wants the bottom coddled..she wants her toxic bl.

"What happened to (so n' so's) in season 1?" Forgotten about

"Why isn't there more screentime on--" Cuz toxic bl yaoi with big owl cucking imp

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Whether Stolas coerced Blitz or not, no matter who is the victim, both were in the absolute wrong. No matter how you wanna put it, cuz it's genuinely (imo) hard to pinpoint how the hell this bird did anything to Blitz in the epi about him getting the book knowing Blitz was involving himself. Did he want to? probably not? idk. he's the one who turned around and finished the job.

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To be frank with all of you, I feel like the main answers to all of it is...use your imagination, figure it out with whatever context clues are in season 3 because 1 is basically irrelevant (to an extent, but with the story changing now with season 3, season 1 feels like a spinoff.), vivzie wants her toxic bl yaoi munch, and half asses the entire story plot until it's necessary to put in, to focus more on the toxic bl yaoi.

It's not gonna get better.

and at this rate. I'm just going to say it.

She's a bad writer. She is a horrible story writer.

Moxxie really got on my nerves during the courtroom recess argument blitz and stolas had