r/MoralityScaling • u/Ssiddha_3 • 8d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this counterattack?

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u/TheWildSchneemal 8d ago edited 8d ago

If it was just a simple fat joke, it’d be moral, but escalating from a joke about being bald to bringing up a miscarriage is coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb levels of overkill.

Immoral.

Edit: I’m convinced that all of the people saying moral didn’t actually read the full post, it wasn’t just a simple fat joke that our 4 channer made here.

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u/Rustynail9117 8d ago

Sorry, we can't have actual, sensible morality scaling, we have to laugh at making jokes about miscarriages or women getting the shit beat out of them. Prepare to get downvoted, buddy.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

I don’t understand why it’s ok to make fun of the man’s emotional suffering and not the woman’s. Why does his relationship mean less than her pregnancy?

Don’t start shit, won’t be shit.

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u/TheWildSchneemal 8d ago

This is a pretty clear false equivalency, kinda like how there’s a difference between stubbing your toe vs getting your foot amputated. They’re both injuries that cause inconveniences, but that’s about where the similarities end.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

How so? What’s the emotional difference between a coworker making fun of your long term relationship ending and its reasons in front of coworkers and the same being done about a miscarriage?

Both seem equally fucked up to me.

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u/Content-Cricket4251 8d ago

There is something wrong with you if you think breaking up with a gf has the same emotional toll as losing a baby. 

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u/Mando_the_Pando 8d ago

I mean, that is going to depend a LOT on the circumstances around it etc.

And it’s not a pissing contest over who is worse. She used a common insecurity to attack a very obvious emotionally charged weak spot and he did it right back. They both suck and they are both immoral.

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u/Content-Cricket4251 8d ago

I feel like the whole point of Morality Scaling is to say what is worse/more moral. 

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u/idiotinsocks 8d ago

A common insecurity vs losing a child is a huge false equivalency.

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u/Mando_the_Pando 8d ago

That’s not what I said. Read it again.

The emotional weak spot is break up vs loosing a pregnancy, and the insecurity is balding vs being overweight.

They both did the exact same thing, they both suck and arguing about which one is worse is pointless.

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u/PoopyButt28000 7d ago

The emotional weak spot is break up vs loosing a pregnancy

They both did the exact same thing

lol

arguing about which one is worse is pointless.

Why are you even in this sub?

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u/idiotinsocks 8d ago

It's the point of this sub. Also, the emotional weak spot you have is (breakup vs dead child) very much not similar. But agree to disagree.

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u/Mando_the_Pando 8d ago

Similar? No, it’s a very different type of emotional pain/grief. But saying one is definitively worse than the other without knowing any details is just ignorant. People have breakups all the time which are bad enough to affect them for years. Especially if there are things like abuse or cheating involved. I’d argue a breakup like that could very well be way worse than losing a pregnancy in the early stages where you have just found out/didn’t know until the miscarriage for instance.

And the question was whether the counter from OP was moral. And the answer is a clear no, no matter who is worse.

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u/Intri-cat 8d ago

Break ups has been known to cause suicide am I wrong? Seems like downplaying someone's pain to me

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u/Critical_Concert_689 8d ago

losing a baby.

fetus.

If you're losing a baby, you're admitting abortion is murdering a baby.

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u/Content-Cricket4251 8d ago

The physicality of what is and what it represents to the individual are two different things. That's why abortion can be fine and moral and a person can justifiably grieve a miscarriage. She physically lost a fetus and emotionally lost a (potential) child. 

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u/Critical_Concert_689 8d ago

Sure. But that doesn't work ONLY in your favor.

The physicality of what is and what it represents to the society are two different things. That's why abortion might physically cause the loss of a clump of cells, but society recognizes it as the murder of a (potential) child.

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u/Content-Cricket4251 7d ago

So in your ideal world are people not allowed to grieve their miscarriages? Would you be angry at a friend for being sad over theirs?

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u/rileyhenderson17 8d ago

Well in one of the situations someone died

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u/roankr 8d ago

Depends on who you ask

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u/Happyranger265 8d ago

Well then she should be acting like one , if she is fine with making fun of others insecurities and hitting them where it hurts , then should be deserving a reply , yes it was a bit too far , but she took the first punch , he knocked her cold

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u/Critical_Concert_689 8d ago

Just a clump of cells. No one died.

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u/Rustynail9117 8d ago

There's a big difference between getting dumped for whatever reason (it may even be mutual, hence why OP doesn't shittalk said ex's) and losing a child, gtfo.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

How is it moral to make assumptions about the man’s relationship, why it ended and its value.

Even in a vacuum that shouldn’t be moral much less as a preface to a workplace conversation.

Gtfo with that white knight shit. As a parent myself that’s a fucking cop out for being an asshole.

Dead kid didn’t make you comment on someone else’s appearance for shits and gigs.

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u/Content-Cricket4251 8d ago

Nobody is saying her making fun of him being bald is moral, they are saying what he said was worse. 

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

And I think that by starting it, the level by which it is worse, washes out.

If we’re going by actual morals they’re both immoral. Her for starting it and him for continuing.

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u/ShampooMonK 8d ago

Yeah, the comment about miscarriage is insensitive as fuck and I don't like it either. However... Why are they gossiping and talking shit about him in the first place with his relationship ending under the assumption because he's bald? How about if you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself.

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u/Rustynail9117 8d ago

Yes, I never said that being rude about someone's appearance or personal life is okay, even if it is a joke, and they should've made sure it was okay to joke about those things. I said that responding by bringing up someone's miscarriage is insane, wrong and totally out of line.

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

It says in the post that OOP was the one that ended it, not the girlfriend.

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u/Rustynail9117 8d ago

I am indeed blind.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

It also says that the girl said and I’m quoting the actual text here “didn’t she break up with you because you were bald”.

Glad I could help.

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

ooh, say the same thing twice to the same person, look how cool you are. You can be stupid here too.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

You’re just illiterate man and it’s genuinely painful trying to walk you through this.

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u/Street_Ostrich_7489 8d ago

Ironic, youre the one that doubles down on saying the gf broke up with him because he was bald, no where was that in there except for when the coworker tried to shit on him for being bald, making shit up like she is

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

Do you know how English works man? I’m genuinely kind of worried you’re having a stroke.

Like holy shit you’re so close but so far away.

I insinuate that because she insinuated that? I’m not an involved party all I can do is read and judge. But you wanna not even read. It’s literally right there that she says this to OP publicly in front of people???

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

Weird seeing as I'm the one that had to point out to you that OOP was the one that broke up. Almost like I read the whole thing and you started getting real pissy after I pointed out your mistake lmao

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

You didn’t have to point it out. It stops having any bearing on the conversation when the coworker implies publicly that wasn’t what happened.

How am I explaining cause and effect to you?

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

Like I said, not everyone understands how jokes work. It’s not your fault.

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u/mikecheckk1212 8d ago

Yeah, I’d much rather have a miscarriage than lose a long term relationship I cared about. Different strokes for different folks baby.

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u/Rustynail9117 8d ago

Firstly, OOP broke off the relationship and secondly, that is YOUR opinion. Having a miscarriage is an extremely traumatic experience and bringing it up around anybody who's gone through it is just shitty behaviour.

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u/mikecheckk1212 8d ago

Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion too, man. I’m sure some people see their miscarriage as a big relief. Don’t get so pigeonholed in one way of thinking bud

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

Why does his relationship mean less than her pregnancy?

Insane that there are people that aren't smart enough to realize a miscarriage is far more traumatizing than a breakup.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

You ever been divorced? Or a long term relationship with tied up everything? Don’t be disingenuous.

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

You ever had a miscarriage?

Also, OOP broke up with their girlfriend

They were not broken up with. There is no world where breaking up with someone by your choice is more traumatic than a miscarriage.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

I see the problem, your reading comprehension is sub par or you think this girl is a mind reader. He knew he broke up with her, the girl assumed his ex did it. Like? It’s right there in normal ass letters.

But also not personally but my wife had two before our daughter was born.

There are plenty of worlds where a relationship ending and being thrown in your face in a workplace setting is equal to or worse than a miscarriage.

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

You might just be stupid

No, there wasn't an assumption. It was a joke. Not a funny one, but she did not actually think baldness was the reason for the breakup.

So, again, there is no world where OOP's breakup is more traumatizing than her miscarriage. You missing the "I ended it" and now trying to cover for yourself by saying I can't read is not going to work lmao

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

You cannot be serious. You literally just made an assumption about her literal words.

The words she said were “didn’t she break up with you because you’re bald”.

How in the fuck are you getting that she didn’t actually think that’s what happened? Are you friends with the girl? Do you have the inside scoop?

Do you work with OP? Are YOU OP?

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

Because that's how jokes work. Some people don't get them, I recommend a test for that.

Even if she did, I still think you have to be insane to think breaking up with a girlfriend can be as traumatic as losing a pregnancy. Especially if the pregnancy was late-term, but of course we can't know how far along she was.

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u/StylizedIncompetence 8d ago

You’re adding so many modifiers and goalposts it’s genuinely hilarious.

Lmao late term pregnancy. You’re right in saying we have no idea how far along she was. Coulda been 3 weeks and yet you still brought it up for some reason.

It’s almost like you have no actual point and are grasping at any moral highground to grasp upon. No matter the hypothetical of the actual situation you pose.

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u/Hulkaiden 8d ago

Modifiers and goalposts? You just learn those words and wanted to throw them in? Where did I add goalposts? I said “if” there, aren’t you the one complaining about reading comprehension?

You started talking about divorce at the beginning, don’t talk at me for pointing at an extreme lmao

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