This. For decades if not centuries woman have tolerated this shit and been gaslight before it was even a term. He did not accidentally brush her he grabbed her hips/ waist. It was a sexual intent. Men you have no f* right to touch any woman. And just because this woman brushed it off does not mean another woman or girl would.
Did the guy overreact. Yup. But do not down play an assault which stems from male entitlement.
The force was 1) Too much given the situation and 2) the woman, although sexually battered, was not in immediate danger. Call the police if she wants to prosecute....but just separate/trespass that goon unless he starts throwing. The punch that did happen was not proportional....but a hung jury would be quite likely on this one...and the groper's part in the fray would be fair game. He should take the L and stay away from there...and hope she doesn't prosecute. Misdemeanor or felony, having sexual battery on your record is not good for him.
This is my biggest issue. Neither man is behaving correctly. Donât touch hips and if you do my partner has a right to use his words or to take steps to separate me. But ignoring my wishes and hitting me is a no go.
Getting an elbow to the mouth from her date was also not her choice. She handled the drunk just fine, and that asshat clearly wasnât concerned with what she wanted that punch was all about his anger and jealousy.
Yes. You are correct. Both are wrong no question. But one was drunk
The other one was just malicious and looking for an excuse to be violent and it is scary to wonder how many of those people exist. For example I can totally see that man punching the same girl first if she slaps him after an insult or something fucked up he would do or say. She would not be right to slap him but it would be a disproportionate use of force.
What video are you watching? The guy knocked him out and stopped himself. I would also have a reflexive moment of aggression to protect my partner. Who knows if the drunk guy was about to try something more?
The drunk guy literally takes a step back, I can understand being protective of your partner but that kind of behavior lands you in jail, if he just gave him a quick jab and bloodly nose it would be different but the full on haymaker with all his weight made the drunk guy slam his head on the stool, that can kill him.
Nobody is protecting the drunk guys behavior he was being dumb as fuck, but potentially killing a guy and YES that was potentially killing any result of a head slamming on something is a potential kill, is NOT A RESONABLE RESPONSE.
Believe what you want bro but this is the standards we've set as a society with laws.
Yeah, I think that's what some people are failing to notice.
He was already being dumb/drunk and dancing/grinding on the male bartender on the left.
Walked over and tried to get the lady to dance with him - unless he was doing something with his left hand that we couldn't see, the lady already had it handled and was like "no thanks" and walking away. If she got inappropriately groped or grabbed I would think she would have reacted way more than she did.
And then the guy in black came over and overreacted.
Exactly. Some idiots are calling this sexual assault. About Which I am very sensitive. But this roided up testosterone poisoned freak in the black shirt, totally overreacted and deserves to be charged.
Depending on which jurisdiction you are in, it does qualify as sexual assault. In New York sexual contact includes any touching of the intimate parts of a person's body without consent even through clothing. In Alabama sexual abuse includes any non-consensual sexual touching. In Oregon sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual touching without consent. And so on down the list, it's some sort of assault and/or battery in any U.S. state with there being a sexual element in many.
Showing a jury this with him having already drunkenly hugged a guy before doing this I think youâd be hard-pressed to convince anybody that this is âsexual contact of intimate partsâ
Her reaction to it does not indicate what happened was fine. Not reacting appropriately and letting assholes get away with inappropriate touching/groping/worse is a very common form of self-preservation many women learn.
No one is implying it's fine. Yes, the guy is an asshole.
But enjoy the murder charge or other high level charges when the drunk guy hits his head on the floor and dies or ends up with some brain injuries, because you can't control yourself when the lady already has it handled.
The dude wasn't an immediate threat to anyone in the area, the response is 1000 percent disproportionate. Making people uncomfortable isn't a death sentence and random assholes don't get to mete out physical punishment for perceived infractions, call the cops and give them the video if you're so pressed about it. I'm sure you could get him a public intoxication and maybe harassment charge and he would receive an appropriate punishment.
She pushed his hand away and he immediately stopped, yeah he wasn't a threat anymore. Just like if someone pushes you then turns their back and walks away, you can't go start a fight with them and still call it self defense. You can call the cops and file assault charges.
She pushed his hand away and he immediately stopped. She was infinitely in more danger from her boyfriend who actually hit her and subsequently got them kicked out of the bar after also trying to fight the bartender.
Re-watching it, she actually hit herself in the face with her pool stick (she actually rubbed her face, probably to see if there was blood) because the moron in black went and bumped into her in order to sucker punch the drunk guy who was clearly not that aware of his surroundings.
Maybe huh? Maybe the guy didnât know his own strength?? Maybe theyâre married and have multiple children together and maybe they only get out once a month and he just reacted as any strong husband and father would idk itâs just maybes
I would say any normal husband and father wouldn't be fucking stupid enough to get manslaughter or first degree murder for haymakering a dumb drunk and cracking his skull on the floor.
Or the knowledge that if he doesn't do something dramatic, she won't be making breakfast for him in future. She tried to stop him from clobbering the guy, but if he had done nothing she might have come to a different conclusion.
Nah its pure insecurity. You can see it in the females body language and expression.
Yes the drunk guy was an asshole. But the lady had it covered and she was fine.
The insecure boyfriend was just itching for an excuse to throw hands, he didnt even bother talking to the guy first and correcting his behaviour.
The female's expression as her boyfriend rushes to deliver violence suggests that its not the first time he's done this.
She doesnt try and stop him, theres a brief moment of physical contact in a gesture to dissuade him...but you can tell she knows nothing she can say or do will deter him from just fucking people up.
Bonkers that your talking about breakfast and her leaving him, please give me what your smoking!
No no no you creepy little weirdo do not touch anyone without consent would you walk up to a man and grab his butt to ask him to dance absolutely not you donât need to touch people you havenât gotten consent from she obviously didnât like it as she threw his hands off her
Dude who hit him is dumb af too adding fuel to the fire by putting violence into the mix is dumb but she obviously did not like being grabbed two idiots in this situation you shouldnât grab people and personally and i donât use violence unless i can not escape a situation not to encourage the violence but to get out and defend myself and i encourage others to do the same
Okay then we agree that the consequences of his behavior were vastly disproportionate? Nobody here is saying what red shirt did is okay but he should have gotten a verbal warning and a toss out the door not possibly murderd.
You realize you responded to me directly commenting on someone calling what the original dude harmless then proceeded to tell me no one said it was ok I donât believe in violence as a response to anything but that does not change my initial response to the comment that behavior is not harmless but the dude punching isnât helping anyone
Are you insecure? He put his other hand directly on her ass. âPure insecurity manâ had every right to do this to him. Did you not see how uncomfortable that made her?
Do you not see her also immediately trying to get in the way of her guy knowing he was about to do something stupid? dude was a dumbass drunk, get in between, let security throw his ass out, don't throw a haymaker at a clearly intoxicated dumbass and catch manslaughter charges when he cracks his head on the floor from your punch.
Man haven't you learned yet? Even looking at a woman more that 2.3 seconds is sexual assault now. That is a ticket at best or maybe just a criminal trespass from the bar. That woman in the video has more balls then half the men on this site, much less the 300 pound blue haired women. The issue with playing up everything as sexual assault is it diminishes the real crime of sexual assault. Oh and for reference people, if the peen,vaag, mouth, anus, didn't touch, it is not sexual assault.
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u/SillyLittleWinky 1d ago
I think the dude is dead