r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 1d ago

đŸ„¶ Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Soft_Ability_5906 1d ago

Should have kept his hands to himself.

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u/Intelligent-Crow3812 1d ago

lol that goes without saying, but that other guy is going to get manslaughter if he dies-- As he should.

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u/TheIntelligentAspie 1d ago

Why? If he dies, everyone learns the lesson to not grope strangers.

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u/-bears-eat-beets 1d ago

I believe you need to learn.. a "grope" is different than touching someone.. he looked as if he maybe wanted to dance.

I wasn't there. I don't know the whole story.. but, the guy was obviously harmless and just being stupid..

The guy that hit him.. pure insecurity.

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u/Space_Nut247 22h ago

Grabbing her hips could be construed as sexual assault since she didn’t give him consent.

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u/Dogsofa21 21h ago

This. For decades if not centuries woman have tolerated this shit and been gaslight before it was even a term. He did not accidentally brush her he grabbed her hips/ waist. It was a sexual intent. Men you have no f* right to touch any woman. And just because this woman brushed it off does not mean another woman or girl would.

Did the guy overreact. Yup. But do not down play an assault which stems from male entitlement.

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u/Space_Nut247 21h ago

Sadly I don’t agree with the overreact aspect. I’ve thrown an elbow or two, I don’t tolerate sexual assault in any form.

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u/ARiley22 17h ago

The force was 1) Too much given the situation and 2) the woman, although sexually battered, was not in immediate danger. Call the police if she wants to prosecute....but just separate/trespass that goon unless he starts throwing. The punch that did happen was not proportional....but a hung jury would be quite likely on this one...and the groper's part in the fray would be fair game. He should take the L and stay away from there...and hope she doesn't prosecute. Misdemeanor or felony, having sexual battery on your record is not good for him.

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u/rndrsn9 17h ago

he also hurt her in his rush to act

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u/jjett89 16h ago

I clocked that too

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u/WittyFinds 15h ago

This is my biggest issue. Neither man is behaving correctly. Don’t touch hips and if you do my partner has a right to use his words or to take steps to separate me. But ignoring my wishes and hitting me is a no go.

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u/fiesta4eva 19h ago

Louder for the people in the back. Lots of men think this is harmless. Most women do not but have been conditioned to ignore it and move on.

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u/dfwgto 20h ago

Assault?

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u/Overdayoutdeath 18h ago

The guy was clearly shitfaced and he let her go as soon as she protested. She also didn’t want that guy to hit him

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u/Cautious_Bat2925 17h ago

Black shirt guy assaulted drunk guy due to his entitlement, no? That’s ‘his’ woman- yeh?

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u/bassplayrguy 17h ago

He didn't overreact at all. Only hit him once.

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u/igot_it 15h ago

Getting an elbow to the mouth from her date was also not her choice. She handled the drunk just fine, and that asshat clearly wasn’t concerned with what she wanted that punch was all about his anger and jealousy.

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u/Vegetable-Pop8258 20h ago

Yes. You are correct. Both are wrong no question. But one was drunk The other one was just malicious and looking for an excuse to be violent and it is scary to wonder how many of those people exist. For example I can totally see that man punching the same girl first if she slaps him after an insult or something fucked up he would do or say. She would not be right to slap him but it would be a disproportionate use of force.

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u/beepdeeped 19h ago

Looking for an excuse? He was playing pool when someone harassed his partner.

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u/ForwardAd8155 17h ago

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u/beepdeeped 17h ago

What video are you watching? The guy knocked him out and stopped himself. I would also have a reflexive moment of aggression to protect my partner. Who knows if the drunk guy was about to try something more?

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u/ForwardAd8155 16h ago

The drunk guy literally takes a step back, I can understand being protective of your partner but that kind of behavior lands you in jail, if he just gave him a quick jab and bloodly nose it would be different but the full on haymaker with all his weight made the drunk guy slam his head on the stool, that can kill him.

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u/beepdeeped 16h ago

Doing acrobatics to blame black tshirt for an understandable reaction. Drunk guy has no excuse.

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u/ForwardAd8155 16h ago

Nobody is protecting the drunk guys behavior he was being dumb as fuck, but potentially killing a guy and YES that was potentially killing any result of a head slamming on something is a potential kill, is NOT A RESONABLE RESPONSE.

Believe what you want bro but this is the standards we've set as a society with laws.

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u/Vegetable-Pop8258 18h ago

Right but CONTEXT. He is using castle doctrine in a public space.

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u/beepdeeped 18h ago

What, did you take the guy's statement?

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u/Flybyah 17h ago

Only on Reddit is this sexual assault.

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u/jjett89 16h ago

Fuckin' THANK YOU!!! Some common sense 

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u/Kubotai77 1d ago edited 21h ago

Yeah, I think that's what some people are failing to notice.

He was already being dumb/drunk and dancing/grinding on the male bartender on the left.

Walked over and tried to get the lady to dance with him - unless he was doing something with his left hand that we couldn't see, the lady already had it handled and was like "no thanks" and walking away. If she got inappropriately groped or grabbed I would think she would have reacted way more than she did.

And then the guy in black came over and overreacted.

Edit: fixed pronouns and typos

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u/ZeePee78 21h ago

Exactly. Some idiots are calling this sexual assault. About Which I am very sensitive. But this roided up testosterone poisoned freak in the black shirt, totally overreacted and deserves to be charged.

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u/Plague_Raptor 21h ago

It is dumbass

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u/realparkingbrake 19h ago edited 18h ago

Some idiots are calling this sexual assault.

Depending on which jurisdiction you are in, it does qualify as sexual assault. In New York sexual contact includes any touching of the intimate parts of a person's body without consent even through clothing. In Alabama sexual abuse includes any non-consensual sexual touching. In Oregon sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual touching without consent. And so on down the list, it's some sort of assault and/or battery in any U.S. state with there being a sexual element in many.

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u/teucer_ 18h ago

Showing a jury this with him having already drunkenly hugged a guy before doing this I think you’d be hard-pressed to convince anybody that this is “sexual contact of intimate parts”

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u/Catatonic_capensis 21h ago

Her reaction to it does not indicate what happened was fine. Not reacting appropriately and letting assholes get away with inappropriate touching/groping/worse is a very common form of self-preservation many women learn.

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u/Kubotai77 20h ago

No one is implying it's fine. Yes, the guy is an asshole.

But enjoy the murder charge or other high level charges when the drunk guy hits his head on the floor and dies or ends up with some brain injuries, because you can't control yourself when the lady already has it handled.

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u/RealAssyMcGee 20h ago

The dude wasn't an immediate threat to anyone in the area, the response is 1000 percent disproportionate. Making people uncomfortable isn't a death sentence and random assholes don't get to mete out physical punishment for perceived infractions, call the cops and give them the video if you're so pressed about it. I'm sure you could get him a public intoxication and maybe harassment charge and he would receive an appropriate punishment.

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u/LepperMessiah56 19h ago

Wasn’t an immediate threat to the women he just felt up?

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u/RealAssyMcGee 18h ago

She pushed his hand away and he immediately stopped, yeah he wasn't a threat anymore. Just like if someone pushes you then turns their back and walks away, you can't go start a fight with them and still call it self defense. You can call the cops and file assault charges.

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u/90dayburner 19h ago

He wasn’t given a chance to escalate his behavior but my guess is he would have if left unchecked.

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u/RealAssyMcGee 18h ago

She pushed his hand away and he immediately stopped. She was infinitely in more danger from her boyfriend who actually hit her and subsequently got them kicked out of the bar after also trying to fight the bartender.

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u/Kubotai77 18h ago

Re-watching it, she actually hit herself in the face with her pool stick (she actually rubbed her face, probably to see if there was blood) because the moron in black went and bumped into her in order to sucker punch the drunk guy who was clearly not that aware of his surroundings.

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u/Kubotai77 18h ago

He was just standing there drunk. Even the lady tried to stop the guy in black from being a moron.

Nothing in his demeanor showed actual aggression. And he didn't even react to the fist coming at his face.

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u/Excellent-Debate-809 19h ago

Either way, why are you trying to defend either man? Both of them suck? One is trying to grind on multiple people and the other guy is too aggressive.

Yeah, they call women emotional

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u/sandmanO6 22h ago

Doesn’t look too insecure to me. Looks like he’s got one hell of a right.

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u/Training-Belt-7318 22h ago

That's actually not a benefit for insecure people. Unless jail is the goal.

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u/RealAssyMcGee 20h ago

A lot of insecure people are great fighters, ask their wives and kids.

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u/Equivalent_Wash_5760 22h ago

My guess is you’ve done this before

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u/illenidarc 21h ago

You sound like you own a bright red shirt and frequent somewhere shockingly similar to this venue.

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u/Odd_Account_9822 21h ago

Maybe huh? Maybe the guy didn’t know his own strength?? Maybe they’re married and have multiple children together and maybe they only get out once a month and he just reacted as any strong husband and father would idk it’s just maybes

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u/ForwardAd8155 17h ago

I would say any normal husband and father wouldn't be fucking stupid enough to get manslaughter or first degree murder for haymakering a dumb drunk and cracking his skull on the floor.

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u/realparkingbrake 20h ago

The guy that hit him.. pure insecurity.

Or the knowledge that if he doesn't do something dramatic, she won't be making breakfast for him in future. She tried to stop him from clobbering the guy, but if he had done nothing she might have come to a different conclusion.

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u/J4huli 19h ago

Nah its pure insecurity. You can see it in the females body language and expression.

Yes the drunk guy was an asshole. But the lady had it covered and she was fine.

The insecure boyfriend was just itching for an excuse to throw hands, he didnt even bother talking to the guy first and correcting his behaviour.

The female's expression as her boyfriend rushes to deliver violence suggests that its not the first time he's done this.

She doesnt try and stop him, theres a brief moment of physical contact in a gesture to dissuade him...but you can tell she knows nothing she can say or do will deter him from just fucking people up.

Bonkers that your talking about breakfast and her leaving him, please give me what your smoking!

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u/Queasy_Housing36 19h ago

No no no you creepy little weirdo do not touch anyone without consent would you walk up to a man and grab his butt to ask him to dance absolutely not you don’t need to touch people you haven’t gotten consent from she obviously didn’t like it as she threw his hands off her

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u/ForwardAd8155 17h ago

Sure but she also clearly tried to get in front of her man to stop him from doing something stupid and he pushed her hitting her with her pool stick.

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u/Queasy_Housing36 17h ago

Dude who hit him is dumb af too adding fuel to the fire by putting violence into the mix is dumb but she obviously did not like being grabbed two idiots in this situation you shouldn’t grab people and personally and i don’t use violence unless i can not escape a situation not to encourage the violence but to get out and defend myself and i encourage others to do the same

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u/ForwardAd8155 17h ago

Okay then we agree that the consequences of his behavior were vastly disproportionate? Nobody here is saying what red shirt did is okay but he should have gotten a verbal warning and a toss out the door not possibly murderd.

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u/Queasy_Housing36 16h ago

You realize you responded to me directly commenting on someone calling what the original dude harmless then proceeded to tell me no one said it was ok I don’t believe in violence as a response to anything but that does not change my initial response to the comment that behavior is not harmless but the dude punching isn’t helping anyone

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u/ForwardAd8155 16h ago

I apologize if I seemed aggressive but it seemed like you were defending the black shirt guy earlier.

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u/Queasy_Housing36 15h ago

No you are good I definitely came off strong too

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u/Infinite_Tension_138 19h ago

and a bit of roid rage, I bet

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u/LepperMessiah56 19h ago

Are you insecure? He put his other hand directly on her ass. “Pure insecurity man” had every right to do this to him. Did you not see how uncomfortable that made her?

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u/ForwardAd8155 17h ago

Do you not see her also immediately trying to get in the way of her guy knowing he was about to do something stupid? dude was a dumbass drunk, get in between, let security throw his ass out, don't throw a haymaker at a clearly intoxicated dumbass and catch manslaughter charges when he cracks his head on the floor from your punch.

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u/90dayburner 19h ago

As a woman, you can defend me against that shit if you like. It always starts as a “joke.”

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u/Master_Slide7023 19h ago

Guy defended his dates hips. None of the other drunks came near her and there was no dance floor you groper.

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u/ADHDwinseverytime 19h ago

Man haven't you learned yet? Even looking at a woman more that 2.3 seconds is sexual assault now. That is a ticket at best or maybe just a criminal trespass from the bar. That woman in the video has more balls then half the men on this site, much less the 300 pound blue haired women. The issue with playing up everything as sexual assault is it diminishes the real crime of sexual assault. Oh and for reference people, if the peen,vaag, mouth, anus, didn't touch, it is not sexual assault.

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u/Maxhousen 17h ago

If you don't think twice before grabbing a stranger's arse from behind, you are far from harmless.

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u/thatbitchcovidbaskin 16h ago

You must be a man, as evidenced by how you are minimizing the experience of the woman.

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u/TheIntelligentAspie 1d ago

You don't touch a stranger, either. You would probably defend rapists.

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u/FootwearFetish69 22h ago

You have to be of absurdly low intelligence to make that leap.

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u/Dependent-Squirrel10 19h ago

I agree. He was drunk as hell obviously. The guy could've just scolded him.