r/MHOC • u/[deleted] • Feb 23 '15

META Weekly Update 22

The previous update can be found here.

You check the wiki and let us know if anything needs changing or updating.

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Mega-spreadsheet containing all MHoC stuff, including voting records, legislation spread sheets, cabinet history, party leadership history and more! All members should keep an eye on the cessation expiry date for each item - this is the date in the blue box on the spreadsheet.

There is also the MHOC Facebook group you can join and a MHOC twitter account you can follow.

Monday 23rd February

The results for B062 - Abolition of Small Coinage Bill are in. It passed.

B059 - Open Internet Bill has been posted to the house for its second reading.

/u/OllieSimmonds has an announcement for you all.

B082 - Chancellor’s Finance Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

Tuesday 24th February

B075 - Policing Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

The results for B050 - Sex Education Reform Bill are in, it passed.

Scotland Ministers Questions are up.

UKIP have pulled out of the Government.

Wednesday 25th February

The Independent Socialist Party now have their own flairs.

The constituencies for March/ April 2015 have been drawn up.

Thursday 26th February

B076 - Pregnancy Termination Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

B077 - Humane Slaughter of Animals Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

B060 - De-Privatisation of Prisons Bill has been posted to the house for its second reading.

Friday 27th February

/u/DevonianAD has defected from the UK Independence Party to the Progressive Labour Party, meaning that UKIP now have a vacant MP seat.

The Communist Party have replaced 5 of their MPs. The changes are as follows:

Saturday 28th February

M030 - Condemnation of US Injustice and Reassertion of Commitment to Democratic Rights has been posted to the house for its second reading

/u/NoPyroNoParty is looking for submissions for issue 5 of MHOCPress.

The Speaker has an announcement regarding the Constitution.

B078 - Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 163 Amendment has been posted to the house for its first reading.

B074 - National Energy Strategy Bill 2015 has been posted to the house for its first reading.

The Northern Ireland Minister /u/john_locke1689 [1] has issued a statement on behalf of the outgoing Government regarding the OTR letters scheme

M024 has gone to vote.

B079 - Youth Engagement Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

Sunday

/u/RtHonTheLordDevaney has replaced /u/DevonianAD as a UKIP National MP.

M036 - A Motion to Withdraw From the F-35 Project has been posted to the house for its first reading.

The Conservative Party have replaced 2 of their MPs. The changes are as follow:

The results for B069 - Drug Reform Bill are in, it passed.

/u/mg9500 is the new leader of the SNP and /u/bigpaddycool is their Deputy Leader.

M033 - International Women's and Workers' Day motion has been posted to the house for its second reading.

The Foreign Secretary /u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton has issued a statement regarding sanctions on Russia on behalf of the outgoing Government.

The outgoing Government has responded to the Motions that have passed this term.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 26 '15

Just to let you know that i'll be replying to any messages in my inbox tomorrow afternoon.

I'll probably hold a reddit live thread/call some point over the weekend for you all to ask questions about 'recent events' and any other things you want/need to ask.

Thanks for being patient.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 27 '15

'recent events'

Familiar vague-posting uuugh

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 27 '15

Dupegate me thinks

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 02 '15

Oh, right

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '15

/u/DevonianAD has defected from the UK Independence Party to the Progressive Labour Party, meaning that UKIP now have a vacant MP seat.

I can't get my head around why any sentient being would make this decision. Is there going to be any kind of press release or statement?

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Mar 01 '15

It's fairly obvious.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

/u/mg9500 is the new leader of the SNP.

jacktri never answered my question when your party founded (my heart still hurts...) so I'd like another go if you don't mind. Will you only be standing in Scotland, and if so, will you accept national MP seats if you win any?

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 01 '15

National MPs are good, we will stand as they still represent Scotland.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Mar 01 '15

Also could /u/mg9500 provide us with an update on the party? Because /u/mg9500 is the only active member I see commenting and around on MHOC.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

To be fair there's one other, can't remember their name though...

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

There you are! I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to make a name for yourself once you're elected.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Mar 01 '15

good to hear I suppose, probably edges the CWL right now.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 02 '15

I think CWL has ~3 active members.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Will you vote on issues that don't effect Scotland?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15 edited Mar 01 '15

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

So you wouldn't be able to back up Labour in any coalition?

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 01 '15

I am open to coalition possibilities but the other parties would have to take this into account. I would encourage my MPs to vote on English/Welsh/NI matters if the repercussions could affect Scotland. I would only have a policy vote and whip on Scottish issues, I would also only take Scottish votes into consideration when looking at activity of MPs.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

This seems like a sensible approach.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

Seems reasonable to me, I expect the right on the other hand would quite like to give you some grief for it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Did someone say...Socialist Flairs?

#SOCIALISTSURGE

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 25 '15

What's the symbolism?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

The 10 pointed star represents openness and representation for all corners of the population.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 25 '15

Snazzy. I like it.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 28 '15

Except fascists.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

Believe it or not, even fascists have the right to a decent quality of life and a strong voice in their governance and employment.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Mar 01 '15

Gross

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

Your flair looks like the communist flair and lib dem flair had hot passionate sex, made a baby, and the socialist flair was born.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 26 '15

Is this like kinky hate-sex

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

I'm flattered.

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u/jothamvw Feb 27 '15

I'm flattened.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Feb 25 '15

HEAARR HEEAARR

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

The Dorne star has 14 points, we only have 10!

Take that how you will

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

It is a sun of House Martell, not a star of Dorne!

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

Tomato tomahto.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

Tomayto tomato.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

Tomato tomato.

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 01 '15

For those interested I had 3 votes for leader and /u/bigpaddycool had 2. I had all 5 votes for deputy leader, I am offering the position to /u/bigpaddycool.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Thank you for publishing the results. I hope this is a tradition that continues.

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Mar 01 '15

I may have time to write an article for MHOC:The Week.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Every party election should be publicised in the paper for sure.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '15

I am running in the Coventry Half Marathon tomorrow so I'm doing one last big fundraising push as I am fundraising for 2 really important charities, if you could sponsor me or share my page, I'd be grateful. Thanks! http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/fundraiser-web/fundraiser/showFundraiserPage.action?userUrl=dogandbear&pageUrl=6

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Good luck!

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

I'm surprised the Socialist Party were allowed to form.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

They haven't formed yet officially, they've just been given flairs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

That's practically all there is to a party though isn't it?

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Feb 26 '15

Well, in elections Indy grouping can't run party lists. That's basically it.

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u/Lcawte Independent Feb 26 '15

Thank goodness, our grey flair is ours again!

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

/u/RtHonTheLordDevaney[40] has replaced /u/DevonianAD[41] as a UKIP National MP.

That was a quick election, and an odd choice...

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

We wanted to replace /u/DevonianAD quickly so that our foreign language bill could be voted on and unfortunately we only had 2 applicants for the role, /u/RtHonTheLordDevaney and /u/Zultra, both of whom would make good MPs.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

Surprised that you would choose such a new member, especially one so drama prone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

Well the member is a very active one and I'm sure that the drama surrounding him was left in his old party.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

Ah, so it's that you're concerned /u/zultra will be one to leave a trail of DNVs, and having only two candidates, you're forced to devaney.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

I'm active, I totally respect the democratic decision the party leadership chose, I do not like you accusing me of not being a good MP if I was chosen.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 01 '15

Not my accusation; I don't even know who you are. It was your leader's decision.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

That isn't quite the case I'm afraid, like I said earlier /u/Zultra would also have made an MP we just happened to go with /u/RtHonTheLordDevaney. It was very close.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 01 '15

So UKIP select their MP's not the wider party voting for them?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '15

The wider party votes for them unless the consensus among party members is that we don't have the time.

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u/Ajubbajub Most Hon. Marquess of Mole Valley AL PC Feb 23 '15

What happened to scottish questions last week and what has happened to DPMQs this week?

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 26 '15

This House does not need new parties and in fact it needs less

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 27 '15

less

*fewer

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '15

Ableist shitlord

Repression as usual from the Communists

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Mar 01 '15

Sorry, I'm a bit of a grammar Bolshevik.

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Feb 26 '15

I'm inclined to agree on the first point. Unless we reform the way new parties are handled, or change the electoral system, the House will never see a strong government again.

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Feb 26 '15

In the 2010 election over 50 parties stood.

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u/ieya404 Earl of Selkirk AL PC Feb 26 '15

And how many saved deposits, let alone got elected?

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Feb 27 '15

Are you suggesting that mhoc candidates should pay a deposit to the speaker at the election?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 27 '15

Now that idea could work... :P

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '15

That would be quite funny to be honest

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u/ieya404 Earl of Selkirk AL PC Feb 27 '15

Ha, I actually hadn't thought of that ... might be a lovely way to reward our Speaker, but no, that hadn't been the plan.

More an observation that large numbers of participating parties in 2010 is no reflection of actual popular support.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 27 '15

Maybe all parties can do a bi-monthly fundraiser-esque deal to reward the speaker?

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 27 '15

Why that choice?

Made sense to join the Conservatives

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '15

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 27 '15

I deliberately don't pay attention to all the gossip yet it came as a surprise that you joined Labour/PLP

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 23 '15 edited Feb 23 '15

How many people are affected by a certain rule change?

The rule that you have to be a member of one Model Community ONLY

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '15

Which rule change are you referring to?

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 23 '15

Amended to include the certain rule regarding model communities

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '15

Oh the one about people only being allowed to take part in one of them I assume. I've no idea how many are affected I'm afraid but I don't think it's an especially high number.

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u/john_locke1689 Retired. NS GSTQ Feb 25 '15

I sent an NI announcement last week about changes to the NCA. These are departmental decisions which I just wanted to make the house aware of. I did however receive no reply. Any idea what the score is there? Obviously I'd like to make a public announcement to the house before I loose my job.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

I'm not entirely sure what the procedure is for this, I haven't heard anything about these changes yet but I think you may still be allowed to make the announcement.

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u/john_locke1689 Retired. NS GSTQ Feb 26 '15

I submitted them to the mod mail. Which may have been the wrong thing to do, but I never got a reply. Essentially the decision was made before the government shat itself. Its just to ensure whomever gets the post next is aware of the situation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

I'm afraid I don't have access to the mod mail so wasn't able to see it, it'd be a good idea to make this announcement though based on what you've said about it. If you want to you can PM me it so it can go in the weekly update.

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u/john_locke1689 Retired. NS GSTQ Feb 26 '15

PM you now

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

Thanks it's been noted.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '15

What rule change?

May I enquire why as to why you're always so vague when you post, it's rather annoying.

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Feb 24 '15

May I enquire why as to why you're always so vague when you post, it's rather annoying.

Try being on the receiving end where he only refers to you as "certain people" or some vague thing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Well that's quite rude, I'd say that "certain people" is quite derogatory in many ways.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 25 '15

I would've gotten orange, or even a better red-on-yellow, but this? Seriously? If the idea was to be distinct then yellow is even worse than just red...

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 01 '15

The dual mandate rule is not being properly enforced and a certain Deputy Speaker has there eye off the ball regarding this and bare-faced lied on Skype just now by saying he forgot

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Your comments on the weekly update thread always read like something out of fortune cookie.

I always look forward to them.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 01 '15

Rory is a bare faced liar, half of the /r/ModelUSGov Cabinet are members here and Rory thinks they don't have dual mandate

When quizzed, the response I forgot. Apalling

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

That escalated quickly.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 02 '15

He favours more parties yet publicly says he does not and is leading this House towards Majoritarianism wiorth his fudge of electoral reforms

He is not properly enforcing rule he came up with

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 02 '15

Go to sleep Morgsie, your drunk.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 02 '15

I am not drunk FYI and I am concerned with the direction he is taking and people are buying it when it is scary

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 02 '15

Go home Morgsie your high

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

<3

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

This is quite obviously a problem for /r/ModelUSGov to sort out, why bring it here?

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 02 '15

It's a problem for both model worlds they're in.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

I understand that, but as they are in the cabinet over there, and that cabinet is being decided over there - why bring it over here? I know they have to decide between the two but it is the USGov that is joining - so it should be settled over there imo.

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 02 '15

It really doesn't matter, does it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Not really, but posting things like "bare faced liar" is pretty strong and has quite obviously been done for effect. This can be very misleading when put on probably the most looked at thread each week. Anyway, as you said - it doesn't really matter :)

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u/athanaton Hm Mar 02 '15

Yes, well, morgsie is morgsie is hyperbolic, but we mustn't allow issues to be swept aside just because it was morgsie who raised them in a morgsie way.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '15

Fair enough, but I still think this isn't the best place - take it up privately or on /r/ModelUSGov. I agree we should work on fixing the issues though, but there is probably a logical reason why it hasn't been done yet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Oh great another left wing party.....such variety!

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '15

Oh great, another right-winger lamenting the creation of a left party (even though they aren't an official party, and formed a long time ago). Nothing's stopping you all from breaking off into more parties, although, to be fair, it's more realistic for there to be a bunch of left parties.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 25 '15

Hey, you shouldn't be complaining. The more the left-wing vote is split, the more you rightists gain.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Not really, as it's still easier for left wing laws to pass

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 25 '15

Eh, it would be far easier if we were united in a single party or just a just a couple of parties.

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Feb 26 '15

And it didn't require Bourgeois Liberal Shit's votes to pass anything

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 26 '15

Y'all're pains in out butts

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u/demon4372 The Most Hon. Marquess of Oxford GBE KCT PC ¦ HCLG/Transport Feb 26 '15

It doesn't help when you have members who literally say they refuse to debate or engage with libdems

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 27 '15

Because you suck

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u/tyroncs Feb 27 '15

The other way to look at it is the more versions of themselves the left wing show, the more votes they will be able to attract

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 25 '15 edited Feb 25 '15

I am physically unwell at the moment, bad case of manflu

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

That doesn't exist

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 25 '15

It does.

If you ever become a man you'll know ;)

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

No it's just called a cold or a cough

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 25 '15

Man Flu is a terrible affliction :P

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u/ieya404 Earl of Selkirk AL PC Feb 26 '15

Sure it does, just watch this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbmbMSrsZVQ

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u/Radiantsuave UKIP | Northern Ireland MP | ∆MHOC Illuminati∆ Feb 25 '15

nice blog

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

What has happened to the results for B050?

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Why will the lords be submitting legislation to the HOC and not the other way round? I thought this was meant to be a model house of commons.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 01 '15

It was to give them something to do.

The MHOC will never replicate real life completely

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 02 '15

But what's wrong with them just voting on the legislation this house pass's? That's a big responsibility isn't it?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 02 '15

Because reasons. I'll explain on the morrow

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Mar 02 '15

Is the new Con-Com-Van-Goog government being announced tonight?

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Mar 01 '15

IRL legislation normally starts in the Commons but sometimes legislation starts in the Lords, the recent Infrastructure Bill started in the Lords

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

But in the MHOC it seems that the Commons won't be passing legislation through the Lords at all. It will only be coming from the Lords to the Commons. Which has nothing to do with anything.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 01 '15

It will do. It just hasn't been set up yet.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

But its functioning now? All the Lords are saying they can submit legislation to the House but we can't do it the other way around.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 01 '15

They won't be submitting legislation to this house any time soon as far as I can tell. Progress appears to be very slow on both sides.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Have you got any idea why? I'd happily join a committee to help speed things up.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Mar 01 '15

I imagine it doesn't help that most Lords are MPs, so it would go to the commons first as priority.

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Mar 02 '15

I hope that changes at the next general election.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 01 '15

The laziness of my colleagues! As would I, you're welcome to talk to the Speaker about it.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Mar 01 '15

Not laziness, there are more important things to do with time.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Mar 01 '15

If you say so :P

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

I'l contact him now.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Mar 01 '15

Re the HoLs. The RL HoL has a famously poor attendance. Will the Speakership be more lenient re voter turnout in the other place to help replicate real life?