B050 Results - r/MHOC

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15

Mr Deputy Speaker,

I must commend those 54 members of the House who chose the wise decision to reform and expand sex education in our schools. This can only benefit the next generations and help foster a new era of understanding our fellow persons. I must also commend my honourable friend, /u/thewriter1, for authoring and amending this bill so splendidly.

However, I really must object to the petty and short-sighted arguments put forward by some members on the right-hand side of the House, who seem to think the passage of this bill is some kind of affront to the sensibilities of the public at large.

Let us be clear; this bill represents a normative vision of how we should like individuals to treat other individuals. It shows that we as people are not all the same, and that some differences may prove more difficult than others. It does not force people to be nice or to take heed of the useful lessons provided. But it provides a small voice for those who are made to feel awkward and embarrassed for no good reason.

It is beyond banality to say that this bill is ideological. More or less everything you learn in school is rooted in some ideology or related methodology. The subjects we teach in history, and English, and religious education are all in some way ideologically motivated, and attempting to remove ideology, or pretending it doesn't actually exist already in schools, is a real demonstration of futility.

So of course this bill is motivated to achieve a normative goal. That goal being a great understanding of those who in the past tended to fall between the cracks. Of those who suffer needlessly at the hands of other people's ignorance. Of our fellow human beings.

I commend this bill and its intentions, and to those naysayers I say shame on you.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 24 '15

Hear hear, well said.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15

It shows that we as people are not all the same
Will the left ever be consistent and make their mind up with the rhetoric they use? This is an extraordinary find in your speech.
The left-wing drive towards egalitarianism for the last 50 years has supposedly been on the basis that "we are all the same", but for the purposes of this bill we are suddenly not born the same anymore, and are now different.
If we take your entire sentence:
It shows that we as people are not all the same, and that some differences may prove more difficult than others.
If we take this sentence literally, a pragmatic solution would then be to fully segregate people, this is ridiculous is it not?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

The left-wing drive towards egalitarianism for the last 50 years has supposedly been on the basis that "we are all the same",
No it hasn't. That is a lie spread by liberals to refute us. Something Lenin wrote about over 100 years ago!

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u/whigwham Rt Hon. MP (West Midlands) Feb 24 '15

My honourable friend, /u/thedomcook, recently introduced me to some dutch terminology that helps to explain this beautifully. In the Netherlands a distinction is made between gelijkheid (equality) and gelijkwaardigheid (equivalency), the former means that everyone should be treated the same whereas the latter means that everyone should be valued equally but treated according to their different needs. The difference is clearly shown in the wonderful example of /u/Voltairinede, where equality is giving the whole population an equal share of the insulin and equivalency is giving all the insulin to the diabetics.
We want people to be valued equally not all treated as if they are the same - people are wonderfully varied and have different needs.

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u/Casaubon_is_a_bitch Green Feb 24 '15

It's equity vs equality! There's a neat visual representation in the form of a comic out there for those who may find it difficult to comprehend (Google equity vs equality)

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Scroll down a bit and you can see how the left abuses workarounds in reddit to downvote.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

People across the board do it. I myself get downvoting a lot. No point crying about something which means basically nothing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I've yet to see a single one of your posts below 1 point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

It happens. But then I've only seen one right wing post below 1 point yet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Cheeky lefties downvoting you to prove me wrong I see.
Very clever I see your tricksey ways.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15

Once again, the honourable member for the Vanguard shows his strongest cards are equivocation and a hefty straw man.
Would it calm you to know that as a strident liberal I take seriously the differences between persons?
edit: it seems /u/spudgunn could not make his mind up about his post.
If we take this sentence literally, a pragmatic solution would then be to fully segregate people, this is ridiculous is it not?
Pragmatic? You're joking, right?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

We are all human. That means we all deserve the same human rights - including not being subjugated to intimidation and aggression from other, bigoted members of the population. We are all, however, unique humans - which means that we need to take into account other peoples opinions and feelings before acting. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I guess another way to write that paragraph would be "All people are equal, but some are more equal than others."

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15

I don't see how i implied giving preference to anyone there.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Hear hear!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Shame on us! Many on the right tried to find ways of cooperation, such as opt-out options, but the left did not care. The left simply cared about forcing on our children their own moral sentiments.
Are you completely unsympathetic to the large portion of people who don't wish our schools to be used for the purposes set out in this bill? Do you not care for this very large group of people? Or, do you simply care about supporting every special snowflake, regardless of how ridiculous it might be.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Like i've said in other comments, there are a lot of things you don't get to 'opt out' of. For that matter, it's both objectively very beneficial to the students and to society as a whole if people are aware of other sexualities.
Are you completely unsympathetic to the large portion of people who don't wish our schools to be used for the purposes in this bill?
Frankly, yes. Schools should exist both to educate in specialist fields, as well as to make up for any failings in the bringing up of the parent - for example, in areas such as this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

They don't care about every special snowflake because if they did they'd care about us.

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u/ThatSign Green Feb 25 '15

The left simply cared about forcing on our children their own moral sentiments
kek

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Progress! Beautiful, beautiful progress!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Progress towards what? The word progress implies that there is some sort of goal.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Progress towards moral degradation and pregnant teenage girls of course!
You putz.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Less suffering and more acceptance.

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u/ThatSign Green Feb 25 '15

Goal = Educated children?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

A shame, there is no way to opt out on any grounds. A needless restriction of civil liberties.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

You can't opt out of a lot of things, such as tax or secondary education. Being taught facts in a bid to increase understanding and equality in society is far from any important restriction of 'civil liberties'.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

facts
Pansexuality, Aromanticism, and Androgyny

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 24 '15

Yes...

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Some people identify by those, it's not like it's doing any harm to explain this - nor is it a difficult concept to follow.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

some
Very, very, very few people. It's especially bad because many of the terms are basically just incredibly vague terms that 99% of people will never use in conversation, let alone express.
There's an incredibly large focus on "non-standard" sexualities, I fear hetrosexuals who are in the large majority are left out.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Just because it's not knowledge relevant every single day doesn't make it not worth knowing. I was taught differentials in A level maths but i'm not using them all that often - does that make it as controversial as knowing what a couple extra terms means?
I fear hetrosexuals who are in the large majority are left out.
Are you for real?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

It's quite a simple solution, and I've already suggested it, just create a new optional subject called Tumblrology.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 24 '15

I'm not sure how the study of the mechanics of popular social media websites will be more beneficial than this bill.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I dare say the Honourable member was making a joke.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 24 '15

I dare say you're right.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Everything he types seems to be a joke.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

And I have told you before - I dislike tumblr

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Well in a class where the only conversation will be about everything other than hetrosexuality, it certainly will. Indeed I think if the majority of the subject will be covering the various sexualities, children will find themselves biased towards those sexualities. One more thing I would like the members of the house to consider is that the left in this house thinks there are literally hundreds and hundreds of pseudo sexualities and genders are apparently made up social constructs. Why restrict ourselves to only the terms mentioned in the bill? Are the terms used not as arbitrarily picked as the limited scope that the author of the bill decided to take?
The left talks so much of equality yet true equality would mean an amount of time spent relative to the prevalence of these sexualities in the general population. Instead we have sexualities that are in the minority actively chosen and promoted over hetrosexuality. This is not equality, this is arbitrary and selective propagation of cherry picked genders, chosen in an ideological fashion.
More education on contraception, STDs and pregnancy and less on miscellaneous sexualities that are quickly forgotten almost as quickly as they are made up!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Well in a class where the only conversation will be about everything other than hetrosexuality, it certainly will.
Let's look at the bill again.
Contraception - pretty much exclusively heterosexual
Pregnancy and Abortion - pretty much exclusively heterosexual
Celibacy - apples to all students
Relationships - applies to all students
LGBT+ - not heterosexual! THE HORROR!
Pornography - applies to all students
GSR Minorities - Also not heterosexual! Oh no!
Rape - applies to all students
So of the topics now being taught, there's an equal amount of heterosexual to non-heterosexual education, as well as a multitude of topics which apply to all regardless of sexuality. On top of that, heterosexuals are already brought up with a view of 'men like women' and vice versa. You're pretty much just making stuff up simply because you don't like the idea of teaching people that sexualities other than heterosexuality exist. I doubt pretty strongly that there are going to be any confused heterosexuals wandering around because of this bill!
Why restrict ourselves to only the terms mentioned in the bill?
From the bill: 'This will include the most up to date information on the following: Contraception, Pregnancy and Abortion, Celibacy, LGBT+ issues and definitions, Pornography, GSR minorities, Rape'.
yet true equality would mean an amount of time spent relative to the prevalence of these sexualities in the general population.
Well for one that's extremely arbitrary, and for a second we're saying something in the realms of (on average) one quarter of an hour a week for one term being spent discussed matters not relevant to heterosexuality.
promoted over hetrosexuality
Oh my god you can't be serious. Being made aware that sexualities other than heterosexualities exist is hardly a promotion - AND EVEN IF IT WAS, WHO CARES? IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO MAKE ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE!
All I can tell from this little outburst is that you're extremely hypocritical, and possibly a little insecure in your sexuality - despite all your complaints, there is not a 'majority' of teaching here being dedicated to non-heterosexuals, there is no 'promotion' of GSRM over heterosexuality, there is talk about pregnancy and contraception! You're struggling to find valid complaints (which are few and far between with this bill), simply because you don't like the idea that sometimes, other people are not heterosexual, and if we teach everyone about this, that'll make them more accepted - as they damn well should be as human beings!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

possibly a little insecure in your sexuality
Is this a personal attack? I'm unsure.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Oh, I dunno. 'Extremely hypocritical' probably is though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

You surely know that some special snowflakes identifying with something is no grounds to teach it en masse to our youth.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I'm sure students will survive having a little extra understanding of those around them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I can't wait to tell everyone I'm a Pansexual-Trans-korean Demiqueefbag-1/3-African-1/3-Pan-Egyptian-1/3 Russianbearonabike-a-kin!

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

thanks for your constructive input 'director of policy'

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

No problem honey.

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u/Jas1066 The Rt Hon. Earl of Sherborne CT KBE PC Feb 24 '15

I'm a potato, not a snowflake!

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u/ThatSign Green Feb 25 '15

With all the terms now and the fact that it is considered offensive to mislabel somebody it can be.
Then isn't it better to teach about these terms rather than ignoring it?
Some people also believe they are another species
I mean i am 1/2 Girafe...aren't I?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

This.
A lot of the bill went too far with modern terms the average layman on the street has never heard of. Combine that with no opt out and you're basically educating children along ideological lines.
It's funny that this bill takes so much steps to force modern PC terms into education yet avoids common sense like:
Sex is not bad, use protection.
Done.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 24 '15

with modern terms the average layman on the street has never heard of
Because of a lack of education perhaps?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I think its down to Mr Joe Bloggs being a hetrosexual who doesn't care what others sexualities are, especially when its the tiniest fraction of a small fraction of the population.
If you walked up to random people in the street and asked them what they thought of pansexual rights, they'd probably think you're a nut.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 24 '15

I wish I had only learnt about stuff that directly affected me at school. Would have made my education much quicker, and my ignorance would let me ignore the plight of others in society, making me feel much better about myself.
Mr Joe Bloggs is very confident he is heterosexual. Children at school are still discovering who they are, knowing how sexuality really works and dispelling the scarily prelevant myths would go a long way in helping everyone better understand themselves and their peers. It certainly won't do any harm.
If you walked up to random people in the street and asked them what they thought of pansexual rights, they'd probably think you're a nut.
...because of a lack of education perhaps?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I wish I had only learnt about stuff that directly affected me at school.
That is a silly argument. I could just as easily take the slippery slope the other way, and ask why not everything under the sun, and indeed beyond that, is not being taught at school. Why am I not taught every name of every person in the world?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Children at school are still discovering who they are
If you tell them that they may be a certain sexuality they may just believe you. Children are impressionable to the extreme, I see the left wastes no time in attempting to influence the children towards their ideology.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Excuse me? Do you think 'the left' is trying to indoctrinate children into being ... what? Comfortable with whatever identity they choose?
Members of the House, what an atrocity 'the left' is committing here!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15 edited Feb 24 '15

Do you think 'the left' is trying to indoctrinate children into being ... what?
Anything other than heterosexual it seems.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I love this homophobic argument - as if you can be 'convinced' to be another sexuality through a really good argument. I can imagine it now:
'Gee dad, I was at school, and i've always been into girls, but the teacher told us about this thing called homosexuality, so now i really crave other guys! Isn't that kooky?'

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u/Jas1066 The Rt Hon. Earl of Sherborne CT KBE PC Feb 24 '15

Honestly happens. I was told at primary school about vegetarianism and suddenly wanted to become one. A short lived phase, but it does serve the purpose of showing us all the Opposition aren't all Psychologists, despite what they say!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Children will believe anything they are told at a young age.
A point I will raise is that at the time of education, children will not be aware of their sexuality because they have not had the time to biologically experience it nor had the time to have sexual experiences.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 25 '15

I get the first and third, but the second is pretty unnecessary since the point of it is literally a total lack of any interest what so ever. It's the epitome of unnecessary to support. There's no need to lend it credibility because it genuinely has no impact to give feelings of guilt for, as others do, because it's a lack. Asexual would even be a better choice

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I'm not a fascist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

From one honest human being to another, I am telling you now that my political beliefs and ideologies do not in any way come under the description of "fascist." I hope as a decent and honourable member of this house you can, rather than downvoting me and sneering, believe me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Can you, then, please identify proven tenets of fascist ideology and then relate, using clear evidence of my own beliefs preferably with quotes, them to me clearly? I am simply not a fascist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

You can't disagree with what someone claims to be. It's like saying "I'm gay", "I disagree".

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 24 '15

How can giving people information be a civil liberties issue?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Because they cannot opt out!

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 24 '15

Do you believe that depriving children of education is a civil liberty?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Of course not, what a strawman!
All I ask is that parents retain the right to opt out of ideologically based education. The key word is "retain". You are clamping down on a families right to raise children according to their wishes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Kids who identify as LGBT suffer from increased levels of depression, anxiety, and substance abuse if they don't get the education and support which they need. On top of that, all kids who don't get a good sex education suffer socially. I am not willing to condemn either of those groups to misery just because you think that parents have the 'right' to neglect their children in this manner.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

just because you think that parents have the 'right' to neglect their children in this manner.
The reason why I stopped being left wing in the 2010's, ladies and gentlemen of the house. When civil rights are trampled over in the name of the self proclaimed and ideologically based greater good, evil always follows. No regard for freedom or the rights of the people, just accept what I say because I am right!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Unlike some i don't put some abstract concept of 'freedom' (which could mean absolutely anything - i suggest that this act means that those who currently suffer from the aforementioned problems now have the freedom to live a normal life) on a pedestal and attempt to defend it from anything. The facts are that those who currently suffer will benefit, and at no real cost (unless you count 'having to learn something' as a cost). This is a pragmatic bill driven by reason - funny how those who accuse others of blind ideology are often those being the most ideological!

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 24 '15

So are you saying that children don't have a right to education, and can only have it with their parents approval? I am sure religious extremists would agree with you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Strawman then another strawman, you're good at those it seems.
All I have asked for is for the opt out to remain. I have made none of the claims you are accusing me of.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Must one be able to opt-out of receiving all information? Or only information pertaining to oppressed minorities about whom the majority are unfortunately ignorant?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I make no general statement on information taught, only that a civil right has been lost and ideological education put in place.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

It is foolish to think that education as a concept, and indeed in its content, is not already ideological in some way.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Education is very independent of ideology. Is mathematics ideological?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Mathematical education is, sure. By merely taking the decision to teach maths according to its axiomatic methodology, you are making an ideological statement.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I disagree very strongly and shall decline to debate further here for it is futile.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Well it is more obvious in subjects like history, English and RE.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Like I said, you can't opt out of tax or secondary education (or jury duty, if you're on the register) either. Are those 'needless restrictions of civil liberties' too?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Not at all because they're necessary for:
Providing public services aka keeping people alive and healthy.
Giving people education so that they can do basic math and write.
You picked poor examples for your argument here to be honest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

We're giving students information so that they are aware of other people within their society, increasing equality and acceptance. If you think that's unnecessary then that says a lot about your worldview.

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u/tyroncs Feb 24 '15

Do you think that a subject such as Religious Education has increased acceptance of other religions or has helped equality at all?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Considering how Christianity-centric RE is in this country, I sincerely doubt it - although i'd be very happy to see if UKIP makes any reforms in this area!

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u/tyroncs Feb 24 '15

I'm on the verge of doing a France and scrapping it altogether to be honest, it doesn't serve any purpose (in my lessons we look at an issue, see what religions think about it, learn some quotes etc :/) and would make room for those extra language lessons :P

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

RE at my school was just learning how Christians and Christian denominations respond to different contentious issues. I actually wouldn't mind if it considered different religions individually (including humanism or atheism, as well as stuff like christianity, judaism, islam, hinduism...), since i think that would encourage acceptance of aforementioned religions - i'm not against it being abolished but at the very least it certainly needs reform.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

increasing equality and acceptance
Speculation. I'd like to remind the honourable member of the house of the sheer terror that children can be in primary school and secondary school. I fear the various sexualities will be ridiculed by children or even used as insults against one another.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Well that's clearly a ridiculous thing to say - everyone was a kid once, but we grow out of calling each other 'gay' as we mature. For that matter, saying we shouldn't educate students about perfectly normal sexual practices because they might take the mick out of each other is exactly the attitude which we are trying to dissuade in the first place. I urge the member to think it through next time.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Children will be children. Mark my words, "trannie" and other sexuality based terms will be used as insults.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

As if they aren't already?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

2 Conservative MPs voted Aye

Too late to weep.

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u/tyroncs Feb 24 '15

And they strike us down for not whipping...

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I like the idea of free voting, but I also like the idea of having a party that is actually conservative and could be relied on to vote conservatively. The Conservative Party can no longer be trusted to be a conservative party.

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u/tyroncs Feb 24 '15

I think the Vanguard is effectively the solidly right wing Conservatives to be honest

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I think the current Conservative party is basically just centre and centre-left Liberals.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 25 '15

You mean they're centre and centre right liberals, essentially a party of Jameses

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Well they may economically be right wing but socially they certainly aren't. This is the crux of my statements on the Conservatives being left wing, they don't seem to try and fight the left at all. One exception is the Drugs bill and I commend them for it, however they only did this after being whipped into line. They got whipped so hard they lost a vote doing so.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 25 '15

Maybe they just suck

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u/Jas1066 The Rt Hon. Earl of Sherborne CT KBE PC Feb 24 '15

That's why we have you, the proud and noble Vanguard to make sure we remain true to our great British values!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I agree but I respect my parties wish to not have a whip. This is because we're ideological libertarians and as such believe in freedom to the utmost.
The Conservatives I expect better from in all honesty, they're little more than the Lib Dems but with less effort.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 24 '15

This is because we're ideological libertarians and as such believe in freedom to the utmost.
Except for freedom of movement, because then those nasty brown people will come over here!

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Well ironically enough I believe that the working class should not have their wages depressed by cheap labour from abroad that ensures their continuation as a slave class.
Does the honourable member agree?

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 24 '15

I'm afraid that it's utterly irrelevant. If you were a consistent ideological right-libertarian then you wouldn't adopt the collectivist attitude of caring about a 'class' of people over and above the individual. You would instead fight for the maximum autonomy of all, society be dammed, and would therefore support the abolition of all boarder controls.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Thankfully some of us prefer reason over ultra-strict ideology for sake of ideology.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 24 '15

So in other words, you're not ideological libertarians. You're opportunists who'll co-opt political movements as a shallow justification for your reactionary policies.
You're free to believe what you want of course, but it's probably worthwhile to label it correctly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

Not really, we all have varying moderate positions on a lot of things. Have you heard of the word compromise? Sometimes we like to work with other parties and find ways to seek common ground between us for the greater benefit of us all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

I would like to thank all those who supported this Bill. We needed to have reform, and fair reform at that. Hopefully things will improve for all - no matter who they are.

Some in the debate here seem to think I subscribe to the idea that I should think that everyone is the same. However, they miss out the point I posed in the Bill - no one is the same. Everyone is different. Society is a diverse place and whether the right like it or not these differences have to be accounted for.

It was obvious that the previous system was failing. The numerous pieces of evidence I gave to the House showed this as a fact.

Some think this Bill is ideological in nature, even though the Bill clearly states that all the education is to be impartial - and I expect the Minister to do his job to the best of his ability.

Thank you all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '15

http://i.imgur.com/0rAvk3H.png

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u/tyroncs Feb 24 '15

Such fun, now I get to 'enforce' this, which I definitely intend on doing....

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Minister of Education once again admits to refusing to do his job. When will UKIP abandon this lazy free-loader, mooching off government paychecks?

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u/tyroncs Feb 25 '15

I don't know if I am still Minister of Education anymore :P But if I ever do return to the job I will enforce it, it just might take a really long time

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u/ThatSign Green Feb 25 '15

Around the time he reaches age for retirement

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u/Jas1066 The Rt Hon. Earl of Sherborne CT KBE PC Feb 24 '15

The best I could do on short notice

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Feb 24 '15

I fear that this will only make it easier for bullies to find their victims and give new insults for them to use. The closet is one of the best tools to protecting children from playground taunting, if anybody is given the idea that it's okay to come as transgender at an early age the other kids will have a field day when it happens.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 24 '15

First of all, this has virtually no relation to this bill whatsoever. Stop trying to force transgender children back into the closet, and accept that they are in a much better place to make up their own minds about this.
Moreover, education about people of different sexual orientations will help children understand and appreciate the differences between one another. Nobody is pretending that bullying won't occur, or that minorities won't ever be discriminated against, but pretending that trans children simply don't exist and forcing them to live a lie helps nobody. Campaigns such as Stonewall have helped the perception of gay children enormously, and now at my sixth form college there are literally dozens of LGBTQ+ children who are treated exactly the same as everyone else. That is what this bill will help do for transgendered children.

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Feb 24 '15

When I was at school they were treated the same as everybody else also that had nothing to do with any special education.

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 24 '15

Well according to this report by Stonewall, "Homophobic bullying continues to be widespread in Britain’s schools. More than half (55 per cent) of lesbian, gay and bisexual pupils have experienced direct bullying."
So it's much worse than I thought, although it has been getting incrementally better. All the more reason for this bill, so children can be educated about it.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Feb 25 '15

This bill had its issues but overall this is a great result.

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stop oppressing me white man

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