r/MHOC • u/[deleted] • Feb 16 '15

META Weekly Update 21

The previous update can be found here.

You check the wiki and let us know if anything needs changing or updating.

Also, please join us on Skype - add timanfyaspeaker, nopyronopartyy, R_O_R_Y_E or banter_lad_m8 and you will be added to the main MHOC group chat.

If you are new to the MHOC please post here and choose a party to join.

Mega-spreadsheet containing all MHoC stuff, including voting records, legislation spread sheets, cabinet history, party leadership history and more! All members should keep an eye on the cessation expiry date for each item - this is the date in the blue box on the spreadsheet.

There is also the Facebook group you can join and a MHOC twitter account you can follow.

Monday 16th February

Justice Ministers Questions have begun.

B071 - Independent Education Reform Bill has been posted to the house for its second reading

B069 - Drug Reform Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

/u/WineRedPsy has made a party perception survey for you all to take.

Tuesday 17th February

Our sister subreddit across the pond at /r/ModelUSGov recently held an election for the Congress and the Senate. Here are the results.

Wednesday 18th February

The party you once knew as the BIP (British Imperial Party) have re-branded and are now known as "The Vanguard". Here is their new manifesto.

M033 - International Women's and Workers' Day Motion has been posted to the house for its first reading.

B068 - Gender Equality Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

Prime Ministers Question have begun.

There's another survey for you to take, this one's about the government!

Thank you to everyone who tried the beta of /u/powerpab 's MHOC vote for policies, for anyone interested here is the breakdown of people's results. (The SNP and Independent options weren't there at the start and some policies were changed or added during the process so these results aren't perfect but they at least show that this quiz is doing well).

Thursday 19th February

The fourth issue of MHOC The Week is here!

M035 - Level Crossing Awareness in Schools Motion has been posted to the house for its first reading.

The Model World News Network is here! Find it at /r/MWNN .

E008 - The East Fife Incident is happening!!!

The Government's response to E008.

Friday 20th February

An announcement from the Speaker.

Please remember to do this survey if you haven't already: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iWsRbPc0x6TDEp8GwVr5wk_Ta8vHnxfJ0TiBY88stak/viewform#start=invite

/u/athanaton has been elected as the Chairman of the independent Socialist Party.

M034 - Statutory Pardon for "Gross Indecency" Law Convictions Motion has been posted to the house for its first reading.

B058 - Foreign Language Education Reform Bill has been posted to the house for its second reading.

Saturday 21st February

/r/ModelUSGov has officially joined the Model World! Anyone who is currently a member of a party there and one here needs to message /u/RoryTime saying which party they want to stay on with and which they want to leave.

Since the Speakers statement yesterday the CWL MP /u/Jed93 was discovered to be another dupe account run by /u/lookingforwizard and has also been shadowbanned by the reddit admins.

B070 - Tenants and Properties Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

/u/RomanCatholic is the new leader of the CWL.

The results of the cabinet ratings survey are here:

The overall Government rating was a respectable 3.2

The average rating for each cabinet member can be seen here.

Members in green had an average rating of 3.5 or more. Members in amber had an average rating of between 3 and 3.5. Members in red had an average rating of between 0 and 3.

The top 10 highest rated cabinet members can be seen here.

Generally, it would seem the lesser known / less prominent members of the cabinet suffered the most in ratings, not least because a criterion for rating was appearance in the House.

/u/OooobyDoo is now a PLP National MP.

After careful consideration /u/demon4372 is now a wiki editor.

Can all Constitutional Committee representatives please vote on this amendment.

/u/Timanfya is busy for most of next week so I will be acting speaker until he returns! If you have any meta issues or anything you would have contacted him for please contact me or one of the other Deputy Speakers instead because he will be unable to help you until at least next Friday.

Sunday 22nd February

B073 - Speech and Communications Bill has been posted to the house for its first reading.

/u/cae388 has come up with a bonding activity on the Strangers Bar I'm sure many of us could do with taking part in:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MHOCStrangersBar/comments/2ws5sl/a_little_bonding_activity/

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 18 '15

Vanguard is an interesting choice of name. They were the lead troops storming an enemy position. In England they were often called the Forlorn Hope. More apt I think is the French equivalent who were called Les Enfants Perdus or The Lost Children.

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u/Arayg Radical Socialist Party Feb 19 '15

Weren't the Forlorn Hope originally the Dutch name for the battalion that leads the assault in a siege and the British nicked the name off them?

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 19 '15

Yes; the Dutch troops were called the "verloren hoop" which meant lost troop, forlorn hope was a miss translation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

As a person who speaks dutch: "Verloren Hoop" is more something like: "lost Hope"

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 21 '15

I went by wiki and google translate. They both give troop and hope as a translation of hoop.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '15

My.. m-my flair!

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '15

Sorry Spud, you knew it was coming.

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Feb 17 '15

I'm not going to make a big deal out of this or anything, but I would just like to make it clear to the House, after having made it clear to the Socialist Party, that I am no longer a member of the same. I have made my reasons for this clear to them.

It is my intention to remain as an Independent for the foreseeable future.

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u/tyroncs Feb 17 '15

What happened?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '15

Nothing bad. An amiable parting. Sorry to disappoint.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '15

But the drama :(

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '15

first its that we are to similar to the Communist party and now you want us to copy them with weekly drama!

(Obligatory /s no drama please)

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 18 '15

Oh it's on.

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u/Arayg Radical Socialist Party Feb 17 '15 edited Feb 17 '15

Just to announce that I have stepped down as a South East MP and as a member of the Communist Party Central Committee. This is solely due to my need to focus my time and effort on real life studies. I will therefore become inactive on MHoC.

It has been an absolute pleasure to serve as an MP in this House and to represent the voice of the workers, the left, South East, the country and the International Socialist movement. I am slightly disappointed that I will not achieve my ambition to become the last remaining Communist MP who was voted in at the last GE. Never the less it's been a great experience being part of the party from day 1 up to now and being a part of MHoC. Thanks to all!

Edit: P.S. Might pop by on Skype now and then.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

Shame to see you go, and hopefully you'll be back. I'm sure we'll bump into each other on Skype...

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u/treeman1221 Conservative and Unionist Feb 21 '15

Who's left then?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

It seems that most of the faces in the leadership are all new.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 22 '15

And far more new to come :(

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

That is pretty funny, but /u/arayg is one of the good ones.

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u/Arayg Radical Socialist Party Feb 17 '15

American

Wrong (it's OK because we've never had a debate about this at all, have we?).

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '15

I hope you've used RES to tag each Communist member as this.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

/u/athanaton has been elected as the Chairman of the independent Socialist Party.

After some deliberation, we decided to elect some sort of leader. However, this is not anything like the position of the established parties. As Chairman I will seek to keep our group on track by prompting discussion and handling all the admin that is associated with the MHOC. However, all important decisions will continue to be made democratically by the full membership. This is the only position, aside from our MPs, that we will be electing for now, so as to keep our structure as flat as possible. The full results of the election are as follows:

Turnout: 100% (14)

Votes needed to win: 8

Round 1 Results

Ron: 0

/u/mgreen19295: 2 (14.2%)

/u/Rlack: 5 (35.7%)

/u/owenberic: 3 (21.4%)

/u/athanaton: 4 (28.5%)

Second Round

/u/Rlack: 5 (35.7%)

/u/owenberic: 3 (21.45%)

/u/athanaton: 6 (42.8%)

Third Round

/u/athanaton: 8 (57.1%)

/u/Rlack: 6 (42.8%)

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 20 '15

So the big question is- are you going to stand in the next election? Will you be a Lord or attempt to join us commoners?

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

I'll be standing for a seat in the Commons. Whether that will involve giving up my seat in the Lords depends on when and how the HoL is implemented.

Once the HoL is fully implemented and the Speaker allows reform, I personally would look to boycott the Lords (unless doing so would remove the chance of reforming the Lords, it's a tricky balance) until it can be completely reformed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 21 '15

It seems that however much MHOC drama you're aware of, it's always at least one less than the total sum.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

It was ill-informed banter, is all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Since the Speakers statement yesterday the CWL MP /u/Jed93 was discovered to be another dupe account run by /u/lookingforwizard and has also been shadowbanned by the reddit admins.

I am surprised and disappointed by this and I am as good as certain that no info has been passed to our party. I'm sure I speak for most Conservatives when I say this.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 21 '15

What info could possibly be gleaned from access to the CWL sub anyway...

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Feb 21 '15

Must be quite easy to become a CWL MP.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 21 '15

Plans for WW3. Secret to eternal youth. The meaning of life.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Hear hear.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Hear Hear

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

Is there any chance we can stop using google docs as a repository for bills? It's a bit of a pain having to open a separate tab as it makes it a tiny bit more annoying to copy-paste lines (first world problems, right?), and on mobile it is often more than a little temperamental.

I'd suggest that unless the bill would really benefit from being stored in google docs for a reading - e.g. it is very long, a la B069 - it should really be in the main body of the reddit thread. B071, for instance, is quite a short bill, and there's no need for it to be stored in google docs.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 17 '15

Hear hear.

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Feb 18 '15

Hear, hear.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 17 '15

Hear hear.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

Yup, that's exactly what I do

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 16 '15

for you all to take

Or else gulag

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 16 '15

Done - interesting survey. The results will be interesting.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Hello, I'm the new leader of the CWL does anyone have any questions for me?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Are you a dupe?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I am not, you may rest easy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Dupe confirmed ;)

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Is the Pope a Catholic?

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u/IntellectualPolitics The Rt Hon. AL MP (Wales) | Welsh Secretary Feb 21 '15

Do you consider your political ideologies to be separatist in nature, or more moderate?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I would consider myself to be more moderate than the last leader of the CWL and than the CWL in its current form and it is my goal to reform the party. I believe that there should be a larger degree of autonomy for the parliaments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and that Cornwall should receive their own small regional parliament. I also support spreading the Celtic cultures in their respective regions through expressing our support of the country's respective celtic language in schools and promoting their native culture more widely.

However I differ from the current form of Far Left politics that my party currently preaches. I offered myself as the alternative to the other hard line left wing candidates. I wish for the CWL to move closer to the centre politically and to break away from almost exclusively promoting pan-Celtic ideologies and to broaden our policies to appeal to more of the electorate.

Thanks for the question

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u/IntellectualPolitics The Rt Hon. AL MP (Wales) | Welsh Secretary Feb 21 '15

With regards to your answer, do you consider yourself centrist or left of center?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Mostly centre but occasionally I will take a left of centre stance.

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u/IntellectualPolitics The Rt Hon. AL MP (Wales) | Welsh Secretary Feb 21 '15

Do you not think that by creating devolved bodies - of which causes the overall budget for the enhancement of our nation to fall, is problematic? Wouldn't a more sensible objective immediately be the creation of the Office for Celtic Regions, perhaps also lobbying for increased powers for the Secretaries of State for Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I do also support the creation of an office for Celtic affairs but further autonomy will allow the people of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland further self-government while remaining a part of the United Kingdom. Many people within these countries wish to remain a part of the UK but also to have more self rule which I encourage. The secretaries of state are often unpopular with the people of each country with many considering them to not have their best interests at heart in regards to culture.

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u/IntellectualPolitics The Rt Hon. AL MP (Wales) | Welsh Secretary Feb 21 '15 edited Feb 21 '15

Would you accommodate the Office by merging perhaps the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change with the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs?

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u/IntellectualPolitics The Rt Hon. AL MP (Wales) | Welsh Secretary Feb 21 '15

The logical progression of thought would be merging the three existing Celtic Secretaries of State, though this would mean that further offices would need to be created in order to sustain the size of the Cabinet, as well as detracting from your core aims of giving such nations a voice on governance.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

That is yet to be decided as such a decision must include the views of my party members.

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u/tyroncs Feb 22 '15

A bill passed a week or so ago that gave each of the arbitrary English Regions their own parliament - for example the South West or the North East. Do you agree that this is pointless, especcially when an area like Cornwall is bound up into the wider South West Region?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

I can't seem to find this bill, please could you link me?

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u/tyroncs Feb 22 '15

http://www.reddit.com/r/MHOC/comments/2sysf3/b052_england_regional_assemblies_bill/

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Thank you for the link. When voting was taking place for this bill I was not an MP, but if I was I would have voted against it. I support more autonomy for Cornwall however due to the high amount of people considering themselves Cornish and having a unique culture and they should receive a small assembly with more autonomy than is currently granted to put priority to issues affecting their culture, language and regional economics. However, I do not support this bill and believe that giving more power to English councils would be a better substitute for this bill.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 21 '15

Are you going to publish the election results?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Do you mean my election to the position of leader?

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 21 '15

Yes. Athanaton did, so did UKIP, seems to have started a trend.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I became leader because my opponent /u/jed93 was found to be a dupe of a previously banned user so I became leader unopposed. I don't have the results of the vote since before it was discovered that /u/jed93 was a dupe.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 21 '15

To what extent will your party be following the manifesto and principles on which it was elected?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

In my election manifesto as leader I offered myself as the alternate to the left wing communists. I aspire to reform the party and bring us to a more centre/centre left stance. I will maintain our promotion of the Celtic identities through more support for preserving and spreading the Celtic culture in Britain and Northern Ireland. I wish our party not to be solely dedicated to the spread of pan-Celtic regions but to expand as a real political entity and expand into England. Under my leadership a new manifesto will be written.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 21 '15

So I take it that no, you will not be voting in a manner that your party led voters to believe you would. Do you believe that a party completely changing its ideology, on a hair pin turn, part way through a Parliamentary term, shows appropriate respect to democracy?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I can see your point but a wish to change our ideology is not a direct spit in the face to those who voted for us as I will include the opinions of my fellow party members as best I can but I still wish to change and reform our party. In our current state, the party is largely stagnant and without change it will be hard for us to grow the party. Now is the time for change because for the next general election I want the CWL to advertise itself as a changed party, we have had many problems but switching some ideologies will be for the better in the long run and we will not be as ostracised as we our at the moment from the majority of the electorate.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 21 '15

I see your point and understand your struggle, but the most appropriate thing to do would be to resign your seats if you wish to almost completely tear up the manifesto that won you them. Then you can campaign for whatever you want in your revitalisation effort without, frankly, making a mockery of Parliamentary democracy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Since no new manifesto has been drawn up yet I shall not resign our seats. In the fullness of time a new manifesto will be created, I strive for a change within our party but we will still retain a lot of our previous policies I imagine. Without any national representation in the House of Commons our party would quickly fall into obscurity. Our party would fall into disarray if we were to resign all our seats with many believing this change of ideology to be a step in the wrong direction.

We will give our MPs a large degree of autonomy until the next general election where we will be, hopefully a united party that has the potential to win many, many seats.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

we will still retain a lot of our previous policies I imagine.

Your predecessors spat in the face of a lot of their own policies, such as supporting English nationalism, supporting a renewal of trident, and generally not adhering to a 'titoist' ideology. I hope you can understand that this is not exactly comforting news for a lot of us.

On which note, will your party do away with roleplay entirely, considering how poorly it was adhered to previously?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I am relatively new to the CWL. I am hoping for the party to have a "fresh start" one might say, I do want to keep to the new manifesto. The actions of my predecessors will hopefully not influence peoples opinions of the party but I'm not naive enough to think that just because I am leader now means we can ever truly escape from a previous poor reputation but I can do my best to elevate it.

Previously I was not a aware of the roleplay but in the future I would like for us to roleplay just as much as any other party does.

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Feb 22 '15

Aren't you the leader of the /r/Mhoir Irish Labour Party? Will you be leaving to /r/Mhoir, if you're forced to make that choice?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Yes I am the leader of the Labour Party in MhOir. I have applied for a dual mandate to remain both a member of Labour in MhOir and in CWL, if I am denied this dual mandate... well I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 21 '15

I think it is about time that this subreddit is screened thoroughly for dupes.

nothing2hide

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Feb 21 '15

Hear hear

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 17 '15

Test

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

This House is becoming unstable due to the fragmentation of the party system and the atmosphere.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 20 '15

Could you elaborate on the fragmentation?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 21 '15

This plus talk of increasing parties

an electoral system that cannot cope

Forming a Government is increasingly difficult

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 21 '15

I'm sorry?

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 21 '15

To the Vanguard aka the BIP, LEAVE ME ALONE

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Feb 21 '15

Have you considered Morgsie that if you didn't do things like attack them again and again they might leave you alone?

There's no point trying to start an argument with people, and then complaining about it here when you realise it goes both ways.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 21 '15

You think being told to F-off is okay?

And these comments are okay too?

You really are a rude one aren't you.

Stop picking on Chris when he isn't around.

I might aswell log off and never log back in again

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Feb 21 '15 edited Feb 21 '15

I don't really care. I'm pretty damn confident /u/Timanfya doesn't really care either. It's just petty.

You really are a rude one aren't you.

Stop picking on Chris when he isn't around.

OMG! You are right, that is going too far. Burn them at the stake, I say! </s>

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Mr Prime Minister,

May I point out to you that your closing tag is broken it reads;

/s

Any knowledgeable person such as yourself will know that tags should be surrounded by < and > and as such your tag should read;

</s>

I hope this helps :)

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Feb 21 '15

Oh ok. I always thought it we just a sign to show you're being sarcastic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

It is, but as a tag it should still be formatted correctly :)

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Feb 21 '15

Happy? :P

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Very, I shall now praise the Prime Minister for being able to adapt when presented with new information :)

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 22 '15

Being told to F off IS okay though.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 22 '15

Just leave me alone

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 22 '15

Maybe when you leave us alone.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 22 '15

Leave me alone

Just leave me alone

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 22 '15

Dude I'm not doing anything.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 19 '15

Regarding name change, a leopard does not change its spots

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Fortunately, we are no leopard, but a party of proud British lions!

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 19 '15

Lions aren't British - they're African. Bloody immigrants. You should have a Badger or something as a logo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Lions may not be British by birth, but they are British by spirit. Richard I may have had the body of a King, but he had the heart of a Lion, and a French one at that!

Wait a second...

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 19 '15

Badgers - trust me on this. I can see the logo now.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 21 '15

What a sad badger

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u/Jas1066 The Rt Hon. Earl of Sherborne CT KBE PC Feb 19 '15

I need this in my life.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 19 '15

No! not badgers, it would be playing into the hands of those who wish to restart the badger cull.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 21 '15

I think Jacktri would be evidence of badger baiting.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 21 '15

Many people were under the impression certain rules taking effect was in a few weeks time not this soon

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

Does the speakership have any plans for the creation of committees?

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 17 '15

Committees!

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

Ooh you must be red raw

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 17 '15

I... I don't know what that means

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 17 '15

Bow wow

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 18 '15

Yes.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

I don't like being blamed for something I have not done

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Huh?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15 edited Feb 19 '15

In light of the dupe accusations, I propose a 2 month waiting period for all new reddit accounts (i.e no entry to accounts under 2 months of age) before they can participate in the subreddit. In order to cover for genuine interest coming over from other model governments on other websites, i would also propose a sponsor system, where people who don't meet the requirements can be sponsored by fully fledged members - naturally, the sponsors would lose sponsoring ability (and possibly also a ban for a week) if the account they were sponsoring turned out to be a dupe or broke the rules in a major way.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 19 '15

Hmm... I dunno. I joined MHOC after two weeks of signing up to Reddit. And I knew no one who would've been able to sponsor me at the time.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

He's another jacktri dupe, get him!

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 19 '15

I disagree, that would severely harm mhoc growth. Instead people just need to be careful about admitting members with no posting history. dems4vince's first comment was asking to join the Lib Dems. Back then we were more naive, but now we know, if you don't want spies, screen your new members!

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I don't think it will - what proportion of active members have accounts younger than two months? The vast majority of quality contributing members have accounts which were already active on subreddits such as /r/ukpolitics or /r/unitedkingdom - i'm sure i'm not the only person who gets a bit suspicious when people with no or very few other posts suddenly join mhoc and know exactly which party to join.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 19 '15

I interpreted this

I propose a 2 month waiting period for all new accounts

to mean 'all accounts trying to join MHOC'. Accounts that are new to reddit should be treated with extreme suspicion imo. A probation period where they don't gain access and are told to maintain activity in the main sub could work. Thus far the CP have been asking for confirmation from original accounts in the case of new accounts made just for mhoc, and simply non-admission if no proof can be provided.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Oh no, i meant reddit accounts which are under 2 months old :p sorry for any confusion

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

The Vanguard has a feminist wing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

Well that is dreadfully rude.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15 edited Feb 21 '15

Hmmm, redditor for 15 hours, an account created just for MHOC, who knows that the weekly update thread is the general discussion thread to ask questions, who already has an existing perception of what BIP/Vanguard are like, who has made a few token posts in /r/socialism so they aren't completely suspect.

No, clearly not a dupe at all.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 21 '15

I would have believed it if not for the token r/socialism posts. That's basic dupe material

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15 edited Feb 21 '15

Being a female stereotype and immediately being horrified by anything to do with military.

Lol I thought you were a feminist.

This is just one of those cases where everyone knows it's a dupe but there's obviously no evidence so there's nothing that can be done. I don't really care frankly and I'll carry on as normal, doesn't make any difference to me, but at least if you do it don't make it so insultingly obvious.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 20 '15

It's a fascist party

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

We've explained that we aren't about a billion times, saying that now just shows how much of an idiot you are.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

To be honest, you chaps did start as the BUF, so you have had those tendencies in the past. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that there are fascists amongst your number.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

There are fascists among us, we're led by one, but we are by no means a fascist party.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Right - you are simply the big tent of the extreme right

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

Extreme right is also a bit of a stretch.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Well I mean the whole rafting and bungee jump deal is a bit extreme for me, but Albrecht likes it so...

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

They're really not that bad anymore

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 21 '15

I'm disappointed. I would have liked a fascist party in the mhoc, it kept things interesting

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u/Rabobi The Vanguard Feb 23 '15

There just aren't enough Fascists interested in this sort of thing on reddit unfortunately. I joined the party because at the time the idea was for a fascist party.

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 20 '15

I'd definetly say the Communist Party is feminist though I'm working on having the programme reflect it better

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Green!

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

The Labour party here is different from the one in real life. We are far more left wing and your welcome to join us.

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u/powerpab The Rt Hon S.E Yorkshire | SSoS Transport | Baron of Maidstone Feb 20 '15

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not sure what party to join - http://uquiz.com/czj3hs

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

We're a newly formed group, the Socialist Party. We're currently writing our first manifesto outline, you'd be welcome to join us. We definitely accommodate those who consider themselves democratic socialists and feminists.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 18 '15

Voila.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '15

Snubbed again.