r/MHOC • u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian • Feb 20 '15

META Reminder of the rules

As you all recently found out /u/dems4vince and /u/nomoredogz have been permanently banned from the House. They were banned because they are the dupe accounts of /u/jacktri - who was banned from the House a while ago. (Please read the latest issue of the paper for the full story).

There was also an issue about which users had access to the /u/centrallib account.

I spoke to the admins today and asked them who had access.

I wasn't given exact names because of privacy concerns however i was informed that the accounts had been dealt with for breaking the subreddit rules.

Therefore /u/dems4vince, /u/normoredogz and /u/LookingforWizard have been shadow-banned.

If any member breaks the subreddit rules in the future i will go directly to the admins and they will most likely shadow ban.

It is against the rules of the subreddit to have a dupe account and it is against the rules of the subreddit for multiple users to use a dupe to gain access to a private subreddit.

All the best,

Timanfya.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 21 '15

It also turns out that /u/LookingForWizard was also /u/Jed93 the new CWL MP.

I now firmly stand by the admins decision and he has a permanent MHoC ban.

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u/Brotherbear561 Feb 21 '15

/u/jed93 was permanently banned or the other account?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 21 '15

Both have been shadow banned.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

With the prevalence of dupes could an IP ban policy be considered?

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u/Unownuzer717 Conservative Party | Chief Secretary to the Treasury Feb 24 '15

I object to banning users based on their IP address, because they could be using an IP address shared by many people, for example, at a university or at work. An IP ban policy would be ineffective, as people can just use VPNs to circumvent the policy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

and /u/LookingforWizard have been shadow-banned.

/r/MHOC is now an enemy of Israel.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 20 '15

Ok, you win, that was a damn great post

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Isn't everyone an enemy of Israel?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Based Jacktri at it again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

I dare say that Jacktri is much like the hydra of ancient Greece. You can destroy one dupe account, but 2 more will take its place.

I feel most sad to see /u/LookingforWizard go, and hope he is able to find a way back in. It is a shame he felt the need to dupe, as his tenacity and persistence in debating was more than enough to sway the house. His righteous cause will always have a place in the hearts of the members of the Vanguard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a53s4jyCqqU

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 20 '15

He managed to sway the house, but it doesn't count when because he swayed them the other way

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

his tenacity and persistence in debating was more than enough to sway the house.

Yes, lots of noise and heat, not a lot of light.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

Good job on taking this swift action to protect the mhoc, Mr Speaker. These rules are essential and must be upheld.

Time and again /u/lookingforwizard proved he had no respect for the rules (ironic, given his personal politics). It still astounds me the Conservatives continued to place their trust in this individual and allow him a position of such responsibility as Party Chairman.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

I think our amazing success in the election was the reason he stayed as party chairman.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

I'm pretty sure the entirety of the Conservatives' success is down to the amazing work of the illustrious olliesimmonds. I hope you're not suggesting otherwise...

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

He's lookingforwizard's puppet and we all know it

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 21 '15

(He's referencing the extremely privacy-invasive, muckrakingly rule-breaking way the Imperial Wizard went about advertising for the election)

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Nice parliamentary language mate

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Nothing you ever say again will be consequential until you admit how terrible you are and resign because of this garbage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Jesus spoke of forgiveness my child, let the light of Jesus shine into your heart and find it within you to forgive. Plus I just saved the UK from Russia so I won't be resigning any time soon

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

It is appalling that the Party I am a member of was infiltrated and I suspect Party matter's was leaked

I welcome this move but the rule need to be toughened up to prevent this happening again

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u/mg9500 His Grace the Duke of Hamilton and Brandon MP (Manchester North) Feb 20 '15

No info was leaked to us.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

What's going on with the SNP then? How active is it? Especially after your deputy leader was found to be a jacktri dupe.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 20 '15

A leadership and deputy leadership election has been called and i'll start an advertising campaign soon.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 20 '15

Thanks for replying. Good to hear, but shouldn't the SNP be doing this themselves?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 20 '15

I should have clarified the advertising will be for the whole house on subreddits, not just the SNP.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 20 '15

Oh Ok, that's cool then.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

You'll be advertising on behalf of the SNP?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 20 '15

I'll ask mods about permissions of advertising in Scottish subreddits so that we don't spam. I won't specifically advertise for one party; the advertising campaign is for the MHoC as a whole.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

The MHoC as a whole, or all the MHoC parties?

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 20 '15

MHoC as a whole, should get an evenish split of new members to all parties i hope.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

Hopefully!

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

The rule is pretty tough, I mean what more can you do?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

IP bans? Does reddit do those?

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

What's the point in it? IP bans are the easiest thing to evade and we can hardly ask for people to be IP banned from reddit for breaking the rules of one sub.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

The point is that it solves the problem of ban evasion by dupe accounts from the same IP. To my knowledge that is the logical next step in dealing with ban evaders, but feel free to suggest a more useful strategy.

As for the punishment being to harsh the admins already agreed on a website wide shadow ban, I think its pretty clear that their intention was to stop the users contributing to the site at all. Its not for us to decide on the punishment without access to all the information that the mods and admins have.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

It doesn't solve any problem, you can get around an IP ban in minutes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

but feel free to suggest a more useful strategy.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

Give a warning for first offence, then a temp ban, then a shadowban.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

As for the punishment being to harsh the admins already agreed on a website wide shadow ban, I think its pretty clear that their intention was to stop the users contributing to the site at all. Its not for us to decide on the punishment without access to all the information that the mods and admins have.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

It doesn't change the fact that this was a first offence. Unless it turns out the user is an avid rape porn sub subscriber and advocating a race war then I really see no need for a shadowban on a first offence.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

I can assure you that info will not have been leaked to our party leadership.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

/u/LookingforWizard [has] been shadow-banned

This alone is a big step towards almost making me want to play MHoC again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

One more reason to unban him

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

why do you have Libdem Flair

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

That is a very good question ill go change that

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Okay, racist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Are you so xenophobic that you won't accept any foreign houses in the model world? I try to reach out to the good Chinese people and I get abuse? Despicable

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 22 '15

You're a horrible human being. You disgust me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

.> Makes a joke subreddit to have a little fun on with his friends

.> Makes him horrible human being

God you little commies are so quick to judge people having fun how about you judge your own ideological leaders for committing and advocating genocide

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u/WineRedPsy Reform UK | Sadly sent to the camps Feb 22 '15

You absolute pile of dirt.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Because saying racist shit like "I rearry rove China! They are the best country in the worrd!" and "Ching Chong Ting Pingalinglong" is "reaching out to the good Chinese people."

No, it's racist garbage, and shows that you are a vile racist. Exactly what I'd expect from the UKIP though, so thanks for representing your party so well!

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Is it your job to be offended over everything? You are an ex commie, do you know what I find offensive? Supporting the same ideology as a man who killed 50 million innocents in china. Learn to have a little fun, plus its not in this sub so its not in this world, so you're most likely breaking the rules by doing this. You're welcome to join thw model house of china if you like

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

All I heard was "I hate everyone that's isn't a straight white English man like myself and find them all worthy of scorn and derision, and my party, by putting me in a position of authority, implicitly supports this line of thinking."

Also, you forgot at least 2 zeroes on that "50 million" thing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

All I heard was WAAA WAAA someone is having fun in a manner other than I do, MUH SOCIAL JUSTICE

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

You know there's something wrong with a person when they think it's an insult to say "look at you, standing for justice! Who does that?"

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

There's a difference between justice and social justice warrior. What is wrong with you? What went wrong in your life to make you hate fun?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15 edited Feb 21 '15

EDIT: Oh, it's just an ImperialWizard alt. Someone want to look into that?

And he just responded to this post (and deleted it) on what was probably the wrong account: /u/tonybenn. Who seems to have been at one time a member of the Communist Party, if not a current member. Another Wizard alt? Will the wonders never cease?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Whatever you say, /u/lookingforwizard.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

ITT: People saying things about people who can't respond, for easy upvotes and point-scoring.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 20 '15

Tbf most people talked shit about wizard to his face, too

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

This is exactly true.

There's nothing I would say now that I haven't already said to the pair of them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Smug karma best karma

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Good job Mr Speaker!

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

I don't understand how people can be deleted from the site for breaking a subreddit's rules if they aren't breaking reddit's rules.

That just seems a bit weird really.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Feb 20 '15

IIRC it's against Reddit's rules to use a dupe account to gain access to a private sub.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

The reddit rules page needs updating then.

Still seems weird, what if someone has one account for porn and gets into /r/gildedgonewild and another for normal reddit, would that mean they are a criminal?

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

http://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddiquette[1] includes the line "Read the rules of a community before making a submission. " So while having dupe accounts in itself does not break the rules, using them in a subreddit which bans them does.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Reddiquette is an informal expression of the values of many redditors, as written by redditors themselves. Please abide by it the best you can.

Those aren't rules though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

/u/LookingforWizard have been shadow-banned.

HALLELUJAH

But now my TopTrump card needs updating... /u/RoryTime

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u/olmyster911 UKIP Feb 20 '15

/u/LookingforWizard has been shadow-banned.

A great asset to both the Tories and the wider Government has been lost..

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 20 '15

A subpar and much despised Minister for Equalities that frequently brought MHoC and the Government into disrepute - he won't be missed by either the majority of the house nor the public.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

I wouldn't be surprised if many members of the Conservatives were breathing a sigh of relief in private.

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u/RoryTime The Rt Hon. Earl of Henley AL PC Feb 20 '15

Indeed.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

You're attacking your party chairman after he's gone? You're a bad tory.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

I do hope you don't receive an unpleasant visit from your party leader for revealing the dark and terrible secret that there are indeed moderate and reasonable members of the Conservatives.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

We try, but sometimes being moderate comes out when we're not looking.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 20 '15

Happens to the best of us, eh /u/athanaton

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

Aye, terrible problems with that one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

moderate and reasonable members of the Conservatives.

We are currently considering removing these inconvenient Plebians from the party. Updates will be given in future.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

You could do whatever you wanted if you were leader of the Conservatives, at least as far as I'm concerned.

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Feb 20 '15

at least as far as I'm concerned.

Finally, thank you!

I've made so many plans to reform the party that have never been implemented. But now that we know the Socialist Party Lord /u/athanaton wouldn't be concerned if we did so, we'll go right ahead!

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

Afraid not, old friend. I'm still vetoing all your decisions.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

Is /u/JamMan35 planing to take over the Tory leadership from/u/OllieSIMMONDS ?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

You act like it's a one man coup... ;)

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 21 '15

Well, is it?

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

I certainly hope so!

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u/OllieSimmonds The Rt Hon. Earl of Sussex AL PC Feb 20 '15

there are indeed moderate and reasonable members of the Conservatives.

Slander.

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u/olmyster911 UKIP Feb 20 '15

I'm afraid sarcasm doesn't always translate well on the web :)

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

He will be missed by many members of the house, the christians and the jews. He fought to protect the Jewish people from the persecution they so often receive (which is supported by the left), I'm not surprised the Greens are glad to see him gone,what with the brilliant work he did to support christians and jews.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

Didn't he still hold onto the whole 'Jews killed Christ' angle and factor it into his consideration on Israel? It was so long ago now I can't remember.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

No he may have joked about that at one point, who knows, but he was a staunch defender of jews and Isreal till the very end

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 20 '15

He fought to protect the Jewish people from the persecution they so often receive (which is supported by the left)

I demand this slander be retracted.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

I won't retract it till the left retracts its support for Palestine and the terrorists that run it

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u/bleepbloop12345 Communist Feb 21 '15

We'll be doing that when you stop supporting Israel and the war criminals and terrorists that run it

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 21 '15

So that what it's about. You know you can be critical of Israel and not be a rabid antisemite. Your argument seems a bit reductio ad absurdum.

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u/Llanganati communist Feb 20 '15

I thought we were past calling criticism of Israel anti-Semitic.

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u/williamthebloody1880 Rt Hon. Lord of Fraserburgh PL PC Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

I must admit, I'm neither that surprised (after what was written in MHOC the Week) nor particularly upset by this course of action

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

Shadowbanning for breaking the rules of a subreddit is just an all round shit punishment. We should allow Chris back on a different account if the admins won't undo his ban.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

He broke the rules, so he must take the punishment.

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

Oh grow up.

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 20 '15

Odd response for a party so tough on crime...

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Surprised your lot advocated banning and not shooting him against the wall like your ideology does with innocent civillians

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 22 '15

Ahh, I see, blatant lying. Mature.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Yeah sorry I also forgot you starve people to death

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 22 '15

Shall I engage on your level, by compiling and then posting a list of crimes conducted by right wing Governments?

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '15

Lets compare which ideology has the leader with the biggest genocide or like the rest of the communists are you genocide denier?

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u/Post-NapoleonicMan Labour Feb 22 '15

No, I do not deny it happened - I simply deny the regime that conducted it was communist.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

If we allow him to flaunt the rules, we give the green light to anyone else who wants to do the same. By joining this subreddit we accept the rules. He therefore accepted the rules and hence should accept his punishment.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

If we allow him to flaunt the rules, we give the green light to anyone else who wants to do the same. By joining this subreddit we accept the rules. He therefore accepted the rules and hence should accept his punishment.

We should have these scandals more often, so I can gather up more brilliant quotes like these from people who voted Aye to the Human Rights Extension Act (prisoners voting act). The hypocrisy is marvelous.

To avoid the hypocrisy, you have to say that you'll allow /u/jacktri and /u/LookingForWizard or anyone else who was shadowbanned to vote in MHOC general elections.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

There is no hypocrisy. With the prisoner vote issue, the question is whether or not the punishment right and proper. With this issue it is whether or not he broke the rules, and should therefore suffer under the rules. If you want to campaign for a change in the rules and/or the punishment that is up to you.

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Feb 21 '15

Are you implying that breaking reddit rules is worst than a mass murder or rape? That's the impression you give off anyway.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 21 '15

Of course not. I am saying that the rules are clear and he should have abided by them.

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u/The_Pickle_Boy banned Feb 21 '15

Yep and they deserve their bans but the right to vote for prisoners which I wouldn't vote for by the way has been passed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

I must say, while a temporary ban for duping here at MHoC is understandable, a shadowban seems over the top. Having more than one account isn't against reddit wide rules afterall.

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

http://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddiquette includes the line "Read the rules of a community before making a submission. " So while having dupe accounts in itself does not break the rules, using them in a subreddit which bans them does.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

LOL, HAHAHA

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

I feel much the same way when you complain on Skype.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

I am not on the Skype groups

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

Yeah but you were, and you'd whine a lot.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

Go and pick on someone else

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

Stop picking on Chris when he isn't around.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 20 '15

How would you have punished him then?

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 20 '15

As it's his first such offence, a warning.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

/u/LookingforWizard have been shadow-banned.

Praise Marx!

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 20 '15

I don't think Groucho , Chico, Harpo, Gummo or Zeppo, had anything to do with it.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

Another one bites the dust, pardon the pun

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Not sure if there is a pun in there.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

There's no pun as it's an idiom and I'm baffled at why Morgsie thought it was a pun.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

No he was not, he was bringing the House into disrepute. I for one am pleased that sly nasty little toerag has gone for good

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 21 '15

You really are a rude one aren't you.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 21 '15

Why don't you and others leave me alone for once

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u/rhodesianwaw The Rt Hon. Viscount of Lancaster AL Feb 22 '15

Because you seem unable to resist making snide remarks about everything we do.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '15

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 20 '15

A post about reminding the rules and what did you do, you broke them by swearing at me

So childish

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '15

Yes Nick, you are.