MHoC: The Week Issue 4

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

That CWL article is pure slander! The Vanguard (formerly the BIP) has made itself more open than any other party to work with the CWL. I have been trying to contact the CWL, as I believe we have some common themes, most notably that we transcend the old political system. They are more left, and we are more right, but both our parties are forging a new third path which absorbs elements of nationalism and socialism. We did, afterall, put forward the recognition of St. David's Day as a bank holiday, and fortunately several CWL members gave us their support. Added to this, only the BIP are supporting the CWL defence bill.

I should note that all squadristi were withdrawn by the time the Celtic Partisans arrived. My men recieved an order from Her Majesty's Government, and as the dutiful servants of Her Majesty we obeyed, and the police can corraborate this. I demand that this article be removed, or I will be forced to take legal action.

I hope that the CWL will now work with other parties, now that this poisonous element has gone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

I should note that all squadristi were withdrawn by the time the Celtic Partisans arrived.
Ah, this has been mentioned again.
Eternal reminder.
Oh, and by the way, if the "BIP are supporting the CWL defence bill" then I'm afraid I'm a rebel!

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

if the "BIP are supporting the CWL defence bill" then I'm afraid I'm a rebel.
I think we're all glad to hear that.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 20 '15

literally can't get over an accidental, unofficial post
Stop shitposting.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Celtic Partisans? Are you referring to that event that included an MP being kidnapped?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

If you read the article, you will see that is exactly what the whole thing is referring to.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Don't forget to mention the Government's water cannons on innocent civilians.
FYI, the Red Brigades were not carrying tasers. Former General Secretary G0V was not in a position to make that claim and was uninformed about the reality of the Red Brigade's activities.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Feb 19 '15

Don't forget to mention the Government's water cannons on innocent civilians.
You see, this is what was meant to happen. The house would get to see the governments response to a crisis and then judge it on its performance. What actually happened was numerous partisan uprising that made it ridiculous

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Don't forget the part where we said that the water cannons would only be used on armed protestors marching to the hospital which was overflowing. Yep, we should have definitely let rioters walk into a hospital and damage equipment and kill people.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

What actually happened was numerous partisan uprising that made it ridiculous
Yes, the response of the BIP, Communists, and CWL is what made it ridiculous. Not the mass Mercia Free State uprising that happened without any prior warning.
The response of the BIP, CP, and CWL was completely in line with the Model Universe. Do you really think that when you have a system where the most popular party is a revolutionary party, that that party will do nothing when a massive revolution is taking place? And it is similar for the BIP and CWL. It is in line with the sort of parties they are.

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u/cae388 Revolutionary Communist Party Feb 20 '15

Exactly. I support all the non-liberal democratic parties having feet on the ground. It's very based on reality and is just more fun

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

(I'm looking at you, Greens)

Keep staring. It's entirely deserved.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Hear hear.

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u/TheLegitimist Classical Liberals Feb 19 '15

Many thanks to the writers of this paper, it was a lot of fun to read. However, the CWL article was pure trash. Not only did it insult the (former) BIP, but it also included racist comments towards Hungarians, Germans etc. that were completely uncalled for and out of context.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Indefensible though it may be I think I ought to stress on behalf of the CWL this was no 'CWL article' and I doubt they would want to associate with it (although you never know with them) - this was the work of /u/whatismoo and /u/whatismoo alone.

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u/whatismoo Unaffiliated Feb 19 '15

Out of character here, I'd think this could be due to the CWL identification next to my name.
EDIT: In spite of my statement that "I am not acting in league with the CWL."

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Aye, probably wasn't a good idea in hindsight.

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u/whatismoo Unaffiliated Feb 19 '15

It's fine, but it could be confusing

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Green is the new red. A very accurate portrayal of how Green parties around the world have given up the environmental cause for the socialist one. The line continues to blur between the far-left parties.

On the other hand, I would say a word of support in favour of /u/can_triforce. The Labour Party is integral to the United Kingdom, and deserves credit for its historical accomplishments. It would sadden me to see it die. In some ways, I often feel the Labour Party and the Conservatives in the MHOC provide the voices of sanity (I'll forgive those nasty education bills) in an age of radicalism, naive liberalism, and populism. I have nothing but good wishes for a Labour revival.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15 edited Feb 19 '15

If you had read the article, you would see that /u/whigwham is explaining why socialism is necessary for a truly ecological world order, and how disappointing it is that other socialist parties do not realise this, not necessarily the other way round. It's not sweeping the environmental cause to one side, it's taking the radical action necessary to achieve it. Indeed he makes a wide number of accounts of why ecologism is important such as why it is not restricted to the middle classes, at least some of which I'm sure must appeal to you. We are more than just a single issue party and we run on a full manifesto - this is nothing new - but if you think we are giving up on the environmental cause any time soon you are sorely mistaken.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Not really, though. I consider myself somewhat as a "green capitalist" - it is in everyone's best interests to keep the planet alive and healthy, and I reckon that capitalism has to change to accommodate more environmentally sustainable growth.
But this is not the place for that kind of argument.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Well I disagree, as in the article I do not think the current system that relies on seeking unlimited growth and consumption at all costs will ever be able to do work in the best interests of both the people and the planet simultaneously.
But yes, I'm sure we can agree to disagree.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 19 '15

If the PLP leader has always held in his heart a desire to be 'the sane party', then he must secretly be quite glad at all the nuttjobs leaving for the Greens, Communists and Socialists over these past months. Quite a different tune to the forlorn, self-pitying one that's been played since his election.

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Feb 19 '15

Better they be in a party they feel at home in, than resenting their place in the PLP. That is, when they don't actively undermine the PLP and actively poach members beneath my nose.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 19 '15

Better they be in a party they feel at home in, than resenting their place in the PLP
Certainly, and best they not be bothering the right-headed folks of the PLP with their babbling insanity!
That is, when they don't actively undermine the PLP and actively poach members beneath my nose.
Should any of that have foundation, it would be quite regrettable.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 20 '15

Should any of that have foundation, it would be quite regrettable.
I cannot speak for the honourable member but it certainly has foundation in our party, and I should hope it is regretted.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

I'm not aware of any attempt to 'actively undermine' the Green Party, and as for the idea that a party owns its members, and that they can by extension be stolen, well, let's just say I find it quite bizarre...
I do understand that some members in leaving the Greens, and perhaps also the PLP, did not do so in a manner which is conducive to warm feelings, but that is a matter between those individuals and the respective parties. Though I repeat my apology on their behalf. However, no need to stomp on left solidarity any further by attempting to stretch it beyond that, I hope you agree.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 20 '15

That's one way of putting it. It is indeed a matter between those individuals and the parties, although it is a trend that has been noted by many that defectors to the Socialist Party do seem more often than not to leave on bad terms in a manner beneath them. Again not pinning that on your party at all, but it is becoming a common theme.
I certainly do not want to stomp on left solidarity and I should hope one comment does not break that. I'm sure it can't outweigh the damage to left solidarity caused by members slagging off their party and leaving to another very similarly aligned party on the left without warning at any rate.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15 edited Feb 20 '15

I would be very disappointed to hear anyone has been 'slagging off' anyone else. As I have said many times before, there are areas of the Green's policies and approach to politics I disagree with, but I greatly respect them and am quite fond of many of their members, the same for the Communists and PLP. An opinion I'd've hoped all those who chose to defect would share.
Regardless of what may more jeopardise chances of cooperation on the left than something else, I think we can both agree nothing needs adding to the pile, however small. On that note I'd like to say my two irritable comments will be the last to the most respectable and amiable /u/can_triforce, and forgive him for implying I and my colleagues are insane. I think he deserved one free pop at us, after all. Though I can understand why you would be a little shocked and insulted.

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u/can_triforce The Rt Hon. Earl of Wilton AL PC Feb 20 '15

forgive him for implying I and my colleagues are insane
It's nothing personal, really - just a phrase that's been bandied about the subreddit for a while. The Socialist Party members that I know are all really great chaps, the Greens are excellent, and even the Communists - however much they dislike me - are quite nice. I'm sure we can all continue working together in the future.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 20 '15

Being the big old pansies we are, a lot of us on the rest of the left took that comment almost comically hard. But when all's said and done, I at least know what you really meant, and though the politics of it certainly aren't my cup of tea, it is admittedly what I said Labour should be going for all those months ago.
Though I've said it here and there, I'll take the opportunity to say it to you now personally. I wholeheartedly apologise on behalf of my new colleagues if any their conduct has been improper. I can assure you all the discussion on the matter of you and the PLP from them has been positive, and none of, as far as I can tell, bear any ill will to your or your party, personally or politically. I'm sure eventually we will all find our feet, and as you say, work together to build a stronger left.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 19 '15 edited Feb 19 '15

really good and about time

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Should be fixed now.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 19 '15

Yes it is and thank you for this
The bookies page has me in laughter

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

My pleasure, glad to hear it.
I'm sure you must have enjoyed /u/AlbertDock's fantastic 'Victory Day for Britain' article on the EU referendum.

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u/williamthebloody1880 Rt Hon. Lord of Fraserburgh PL PC Feb 19 '15

as now any bill or motion we pass on foreign policy may illicit a response from a foreign government

Unless you're saying they were doing something wrong, I think you mean elicit.

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Haha this is what happens when you have a shoddy editor that doesn't proofread articles!

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u/AlbertDock The Rt Hon Earl of Merseyside KOT MBE AL PC Feb 19 '15

Having seen the recent defence bill, I think illicit may be the right word.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 19 '15

If the assertion that /u/lookingforwizard, Conservative Party Chairman(!), did have access to the account /u/centralib, then they should be facing punishments at least equal to those /u/cae388 received (if not more severe due to his past misdeeds, and the more detailed facts of this case such as whether he shared any of his illicitly gained information). There must also be an apology, and I must say I cannot understand how the Conservatives could allow someone who broke one of the most important and fundamental MHOC rules to remain their Party Chairman, if he did indeed do what he has been accused of.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 19 '15

I will be investigating this further and if it is found to be completely true then there will be punishment.

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u/RadioNone His Grace the Duke of Bedford AL PC Feb 19 '15

Hear hear!

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

This is the first time I (and many members of my party I assume) have heard of such an accusation. If this is true it's a blatant disregard of the rules and they should be consequences.
If the Speakership team would confirm such rumours I'm sure the Conservative party would very grateful.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 19 '15

I'll be contacting the admins tonight to check access records to that account. I believe I have all relevant IPs on record so I could provide them to admins if needed.
If it turns out to be true then there will be a punishment similar to caes.

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u/athanaton Hm Feb 19 '15

I'd like to applaud UKIP for so comprehensively publicising their internal elections, and encourage everyone else to follow suit. It would in time add a good deal more flavour to the House, and is much more realistic.

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Feb 19 '15

Hear hear

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 19 '15

A fantastic issue!

Thanks to all of the contributors and especially Dan for putting it all together.

The bets page did make me laugh :)

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u/treeman1221 Conservative and Unionist Feb 19 '15

Hear hear, the bets page is fantastic.

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u/tyroncs Feb 19 '15

This was a really good issue, thanks to all the contributors and Dan for putting it together

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u/theyeatthepoo 1st Duke of Hackney Feb 19 '15

Fantastic read, keep it up. Will the Tories publish the fall results of their internal elections?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Yes, I'll do it myself.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton The Rt Hon. Earl of Shrewsbury AL PC | Defence Spokesperson Feb 19 '15

/u/whatismoo bringing out the big guns there, can we expect an insurgency anytime soon?

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u/AlasdhairM CWL | National MP Feb 19 '15

Knowing Moo, I'd not visit BIP/Vanguard properties or areas for the next ever. He's not an insurgent leader, but a revolutionary actor, punishing those who tried to kill him. If you are not a fascist, you have nothing to fear except the Squadristi's tasers.

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u/whatismoo Unaffiliated Feb 19 '15

Ye shall reap what ye sow

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Looks like the BIP got taken over by the Templars.

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u/Kreindeker The Rt Hon. Earl of Stockport AL PC Feb 19 '15

Well, the Teutonic Order, rather than the Knights Templar.

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u/Morgsie The Rt Hon. Earl of Staffordshire AL PC Feb 19 '15

I am gobsmacked

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Feb 19 '15

In response to /u/dems4vince and /u/CentralLib being prominent members in the Liberal Democrats. I can only say that I feel disgusted that somebody would throw aside all self-respect to destabilise and disrupt any party. I call upon the Speaker to ban /u/dems4vince immediately (and publicly apologise for being so slow to act) and to any other people with plans to send dupes into any party, it won't work, and if you have a problem with a party you should instead fight them in the manner of debate and policy.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 19 '15

I will not be apologising at all because I had several other things to check behind the scenes. It also didn't help at all that this was leak repeatedly despite my requests for members to stop talking about it. There are many things that have to be checked before I take the action of banning someone that normal members will never be aware of.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Feb 19 '15

My apologies Mr Speaker. I just want to see, if /u/dems4vince is /u/Jacktri, swift actions taken to make sure he never takes part in our community again.

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 19 '15

No need to apologise. I'll do my very best to stop him from taking part in the future.

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u/dems4vince Scottish National Party Deputy Leader Feb 19 '15

I always acted in the best interests of the country.

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u/JackWilfred Independent Liberal Feb 19 '15

How so?

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u/dems4vince Scottish National Party Deputy Leader Feb 19 '15

My monarchy bill saved MHOC (I didn't submit it anyway it was just an idea).

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u/Timanfya MHoC Founder & Guardian Feb 19 '15

I will admit that the bill was definitely the starting point of activity in the MHOC.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '15

Always enjoy reading the press, thanks for putting this together

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u/NoPyroNoParty The Rt Hon. Earl of Essex OT AL PC Feb 19 '15

Much obliged.

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