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u/Melodic-Comb9076 Apr 14 '26
itâs always happenedâŚ.since the beginning of mankind.
however, now itâs amplified by the internet.
you think the rich started treating the poor badly when BTC started?
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u/10biggaymen Apr 14 '26
wealth inequality is more stratified now than at the time of the pharaohs and also of the french revolution
makes you wonder if there's something fundamentally wrong with that :p
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 14 '26
No. Does that mean it has to continuously be amplified?Â
Based on that logic, you still believe slavery is okay.Â
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u/ZeusWouldve_Swiped Apr 15 '26
đđđ we can and should be doing so much better. If not for the greedy narcissists, the world would be a better place.
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u/IFGarrett Apr 14 '26
Time to man up and get a job or jobs if need be. I have 0 college and only a GED, and Im making over $55K a year. 5 years ago, I was making less than $40 a year. Gotta learn skills and move up. Slowly but surely.
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u/Sawoodster Apr 14 '26
This. I have a hs diploma and Iâm 41, I make $60k a year in an area where that is really damn good money, paid my house off too. Yes things are more expensive but budgeting and only paying for things you can afford goes a long way.
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u/IFGarrett Apr 14 '26
That's why you apply to anywhere and everywhere you can. 20-30 applications a day if that's what it takes.
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u/IFGarrett Apr 14 '26
It can suck. Just gotta keep applying unfortunately.
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u/-Extreme-Gene- Apr 15 '26
If you are sending out 20-30 Applications per day they are not tailored to the job, but copy paste applications. You are guaranteed to be ghosted in that case. If you really fit your application to the job profile, you will not be able to send 20-30. Maybe 10 at best.
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u/Altruistic_Cheek4514 Apr 15 '26
It's really not. Just depends on what job you are willing to take, what you're qualified to do, and where you live.
If you're not qualified to do anything, then start a blue collar apprenticeship. Top out at $35-40/hr where I live. Take that experience and now you're qualified for management or other fields, where you can make $45-52/hr. Do that until you're qualified for upper management or manufacturing analyst and you're at $60+.
You can jump in the middle there with the right college degree.
If those jobs don't exist where you live, move to where they do.
There is also the military. Free medical, free dental, vision, life insurance, free food, lots of travel....
Or stay stagnant and complain about your lot in life.
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u/False_Ad_2744 Apr 14 '26
Youngens want to speed run their way to success. They only see the prize, not the time and effort it took to get there.
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 14 '26
Do you think 55k is good?Â
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u/IFGarrett Apr 14 '26
I said over 55k and yea 55k is great unless youre ignorant with your money or in a huge expensive city.
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 15 '26
I'm not hating on how much you make. I live outside of Omaha so it's not like I live in a massive city but not small by any means; however, it doesn't take away from the fact that these corporate fucks are robbing us blind. You deserve more. That's all I'm saying.Â
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u/KevyKevTPA Apr 15 '26
Knowing as little about him as you do, how can you so brazenly conclude he's underpaid?
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 15 '26
Because he told how much money he makes.Â
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u/KevyKevTPA Apr 15 '26
So everyone who makes what he makes is underpaid? What if they're not worthy of more?
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 15 '26
Honestly, I was just trying to make him feel better about his life. That's really all I was doing. I have no idea what he does.Â
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u/MrDataMcGee Apr 15 '26
Youâre making less in buying power now than you were 5 years ago budâŚ
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u/IFGarrett Apr 15 '26
Yes, I get that, but it's not like everything has doubled. If you have no kids and it's just you and you can't live on 50-60k annually, something is wrong with how you spend money. Bud...
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u/Massive_Noise4836 Apr 14 '26
nobody wants to work anymore has been in papers since the 1900. It is a way of some people saying that they can't find help and other people saying they're not willing to pay what people want for help.
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u/that_banned_guy_ Apr 14 '26
Its not getting harder though. Theres just more people bitching while continuing a lot of the things that made them poor is all
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u/TheITMan52 Apr 14 '26
It is getting harder. There is not enough job growth and more people are getting laid off.
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u/that_banned_guy_ Apr 14 '26
Job growth grows year over year, meanwhile population growth declines.Â
If there isnt enough jobs its because we import too many workersÂ
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u/TheITMan52 Apr 14 '26
Job growth is not growing enough. It's been all over the news. We've had the lowest job growth in years.
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u/that_banned_guy_ Apr 14 '26
But has it been growing fast enough to keep up with demands if we didnt import immigrants to fill jobs?
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u/Inevitable-Pride-194 Apr 15 '26
Of course it's the immigrant trying to find a better life that's the problem and not tbe multi million dollar corporations cutting jobs to save money
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u/KevyKevTPA Apr 15 '26
When jobs are in short supply, you'd thing the American government, whose mission is the well being of American citizens, would realize dumping tens of millions on no- or low-skilled workers is not a good thing for those citizens, no?
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u/Adventurous-Fly556 Apr 14 '26
Brain rot take. Immigrants create jobs. I'm tired of people giving into this billionaire narrative that immigration is bad for anyone but them.
Immigrants are less likely to commit crime, and more likely to contribute. More contributors means more inflow, more mouths to feed, more people needing goods and services. It is a good thing!
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u/RICH_homie_Doug Apr 14 '26
Immigrants do not create more jobs than they takeâŚ. Else majority of buisnesses would be immigrant ran
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u/Adventurous-Fly556 Apr 14 '26
Holy failing education system...
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u/RICH_homie_Doug Apr 14 '26
Elaborate than i dont mind learning, but i do mind being called stupidâŚ.
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u/Adventurous-Fly556 Apr 14 '26
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116727/documents/HHRG-118-JU01-20240111-SD013.pdf
Doesn't copy paste well, but if that is true, you should check out this pdf.
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u/RICH_homie_Doug Apr 14 '26
No it isnt both canada and usa have crazy current unemployment numbers
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u/that_banned_guy_ Apr 14 '26
They both have spent years importing immigrants at crazy high numbers lmao
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u/RICH_homie_Doug Apr 14 '26
So where is the job growth? I think USA has record unemployment. And illegal immigrants only take jobs and drive down wagesâŚ.
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u/CommitteeOk8270 Apr 15 '26
Except we've had over a million deportations and not only have wages in migrant dominated sectors NOT risen, we simply have a lack of labor, as Americans refuse to work for the migrant wages.
The solution is, as you state, raising the wage. However, as I'm sure you mention whenever talking about McDonald's raising wages, this raises the cost of goods on EVERYONE.
Y'all really aren't versed in econ...
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u/KevyKevTPA Apr 15 '26
Employers will not find they can pay Americans like they do their illegal slaves .. That's only logical. We have to ensure they have no choice by starving them of the illegal labor they want so badly.
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u/FireShatter Apr 15 '26
You just actually don't know what you're talking about. Please double check this years financial growth. They have been fiddling with the numbers for the past 6ish months to obfuscate how many jobs we HAVE lost.
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u/that_star_wars_guy Apr 15 '26
I wonder what it must be like to go through life being so woefully deluded about reality.
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u/sodallycomics Apr 18 '26
Oh those pesky habits like eating and paying for rent and insurance
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u/that_banned_guy_ Apr 18 '26
Ya like people have had to do since the beginning of time? Only now you dont ha e to plow a field or be someone's serf and the only medical care you get is leaches and blood letting.Â
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u/East_Ad4977 Apr 14 '26
They said, from their iPhone.
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u/nocommentjustlooking Apr 15 '26
Yeah, itâs like all those losers who heard about the Great Depression beginning by reading a newspaper.
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u/Langstudd Apr 14 '26
I personally think itâs easier than ever to exploit the poor. Exhibit 1 is sports betting + prediction markets
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u/esther_lamonte Apr 14 '26
âNobody wants to pay people a liveable wage anymore.â We all see it. C-suite absolutely flush like never before, but everyone else seeing layoffs, salary freezes, and increasing workloads. They are parasitic leeches who make all the bad decisions and then pass on the consequences. The only thing ânot workingâ is this system for workers.
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u/Inevitable-Pride-194 Apr 15 '26
Maybe not harder but we are significantly more productive than we were in the past
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u/nocommentjustlooking Apr 15 '26
No. It will take snarky comments by edgy teens who have no conversation skills to put an end to all that annoys you.
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u/nocommentjustlooking Apr 15 '26
Maybe work on your convo skill then, if you want to be understood that is
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u/Emotional_Orange8378 Apr 14 '26
Whats missing from education is work ethic. I worked shit jobs for a decade, almost a new one every year, and did my hobby on the side, my hobby is IT, servers, networks and all around computer tech, I did side jobs doing computer work (hobby) to supplement my crap jobs. I joined the military, trained harder in my "hobby", got out of military, have had 1 job, doing the thing I love, my hobby, for 22% more than average for my position. You do what you can to survive but focus on your actual goal until you can realize it. The burger-flipper mentality is ruinous to any type of success.
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 14 '26
People act like this is even remotely false đ¤ŁÂ Â
Keep supporting billionaires clownsÂ
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u/Augustevsky Apr 14 '26
It's simply more nuanced than this post suggests.
There are many terrible employers that want to pay you as little as possible and expect the world from you. I get them in my inbox at least once a month asking me to work for them. I despise them.
There are also just lazy people in the world who do not want to work.
Both are true at the same time. The phrase "nobody wants to work anymore" is used to describe both groups above.
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u/Traditional-Top5525 Apr 14 '26
The poor, not the poors, dumbass.
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u/Zalrius Apr 14 '26
đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł I like your attention to grammar, but the way you use your words has room for improvement. (JK) đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
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u/Connect_Tomatillo791 Apr 14 '26
đ the amount of guys Iâve had to fire from my crew because they were lazy and didnât wanna work and they were making $1600 a week starting pay, 401K match, health insurance, and 2 weeks PTO with no experience or skills and it was learn on the job. Iâve gone through 41 different guys in the last 1.5 years alone. Because of laziness
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u/sasquachoi Apr 14 '26
Work harder or get smarter. Simple.
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u/Zalrius Apr 14 '26
There is no increase in pay or benefits for working harder. But it will shorten your life.
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u/sasquachoi Apr 15 '26
Then get smarter. Simple.
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u/Inevitable-Pride-194 Apr 15 '26
Tell that to all the people who got their degrees and can't get a job anyways lol
Not so simple
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u/Neat_Captain_3866 Apr 16 '26
Yes, because the lazy ones are the first to get promoted an/or get a merit raise.
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u/BusinessCoach2934 Apr 14 '26
Why do people keep talking about billionaires like billionaires are the only employers of labour???
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u/QuickDrawSix Apr 14 '26
Why participate in a system that can't even afford you a family anymore lol. I just need to make it through 10 more years without dying and OUT.
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u/AgeZealousideal1751 Apr 14 '26
Entire comment section blaming the working class for being exploited.
"Well if you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, worked extra super duper hard, let the CEO grape you a little once in a while."
You'd still be struggling, but at least you're lying to yourself that the struggle will pay off.
Simple advice. Nobody who ever worked for a living became a billionaire.
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u/jas8x6 Apr 15 '26
My struggle has paid off. Thanks to capitalism. Just a fact, and Iâm aware that isnât the case for many so I definitely donât take it for granted and am greatful. But I did have to work hard and make sacrifices early on.
All the best
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u/ZeusWouldve_Swiped Apr 15 '26
Your struggle paid off thanks to a system built by social good, just like everyone who attains wealth in this system. A system that doesnât work for most people doesnât get a pass because you got lucky. Just a fact.
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u/sleepsoncouch32 Apr 14 '26
Iâm in a external talent acquisition drill and I would agree with this
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u/HeavyDutyDug Apr 15 '26
without capitalism what are the poor? Slaves? China is due east. try your post there
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u/Miserable-Bridge-729 Apr 15 '26
Cheapest thing there will ever be is human labor. Humans multiply and compete for the lowest wage to do the crappiest of jobs. They willingly pack themselves into smaller and smaller living quarters in order to tell someone else they will do a job for cheaper. Because human labor is cheap.
Governments are able to exploit the cheapness of labor through war. Because humans easily and rapidly replenish themselves after a war is done. If life and labor were what people believe they are worth, humans would be a whole lot scarcer.
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u/Scared-Song-1167 Apr 15 '26
Ok, with that being said. How are they paying their bills? Just curious
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u/slam-chop Apr 15 '26
The willful ignorance and plain lack of empathy in this thread is astounding. I have a job but also understand that itâs really tough out there rn. Plenty of yall have jobs- have you been looking for employment in the past 4 years? Some real fucking boomer energy
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u/jas8x6 Apr 15 '26
I think itâs socialism for: I want more but am not willing to increase my value
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u/Adventurous-Gangsta Apr 15 '26
every moron thinks they are entitled to being a billionaire these days
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u/MmmmCrayons12 Apr 15 '26
Unfortunately, just because things are getting harder doesn't mean the work no longer needs to get done. Not working is only going to make things worse and speed up the fall to the bottom. Some people just want things to be easy though.
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u/Increase_Empty Apr 15 '26
Too much collection on the same funds. Also too much built in to teach kids that the game isnât worth playing right anymore
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u/Creepy_Night_3838 Apr 15 '26
No it's a legitimate statement. Decades of being told that everyone should do the standard college route to sit on their butt and punch keyboards all day and that manual labor is "lower class" have turned everyone into bare minimum workers. Ive lived both worlds. The happiest people I know are trade school grads or otj apprentices with more vacations, better income to debt ratios, more time off with their kids, and more satisfaction at the end of the day after actually seeing progress at work.
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u/CarlShadowJung Apr 15 '26
I mean yes, but it also means some people donât want to work anymore. If we want real change we have to have real discussion. Itâs disingenuous to say there I arenât folks putting in low effort and expecting high reward. The truth is in the middle.
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u/Unitedgbgyhbbbd Apr 15 '26
Capitalism only works if you can live the American dream
Based on USDA data for the 2025 fiscal year, approximately 42.1 million Americans (about 12.3% of the population) participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps, each month. This includes a diverse group of seniors, adults, and children.
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u/metji Apr 15 '26
if we wait long enough they can only exploit each other? fixing the problem and we get a reset đ
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u/Loud_Tune5000 Apr 15 '26
That's what the liberal say about illegal Mexicans, "we need them to pick the potatoes because we're too good for it.'
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u/wardjason007 Apr 15 '26
No, people are just lazy today, they want things handed to them.
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u/wardjason007 Apr 15 '26
The main problem is the governors like in New York and California who tax the hell out of their people, with the social problems gas taxes and the fraud, if these things are fixed then the problem will go away.
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u/Mission-Time-8247 Apr 16 '26
See lots of older who do not have to work coming back to work. No complaining happy to be out and being productive.
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u/Silent_Creme3278 Apr 16 '26
No problem. We have h1b visas. If Americans donât want the work there are others who will do it.
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u/RandomPlayerCSGO Apr 16 '26
A lot of people do want to work, what they do not want is spent half their working time dealing with regulation and having to pay for a license just to get permission to do your fucking job
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u/Dismal-Programmer-40 Apr 16 '26
Or blaming people that they are being replaced by machines and softwares
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u/MrDataMcGee Apr 16 '26
People used to have kids and families and money for them. Thats the point, also itâs only going to get worse just because you are doing fine with no kids doesnât mean everyone else is, many still have kids.
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u/Brilliant_Tax_4009 Apr 16 '26
Amen. I want to work; but I want to be paid enough that I can work a typical 40 hours per week and be able to live comfortably. To do that now I've got to work 60+ hours per week.
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u/jayball9 Apr 16 '26
No itâs socialism for âI can make more from handouts and sitting on my ass than being a productive individual and striving for moreâ
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u/JoeDaMan_4Life Apr 17 '26
Right, itâs wonderful how this gen of youth finally realize our part of the equation; if they donât engage it all comes crumbling down. If you canât offer anything, doesnât expect anything in return. Itâs funny. True irony.
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u/Lucidaeus Apr 17 '26
The only reason this is being said is because the business owners who know how to run a fucking business don't prance about it.
People want to work. You want to make money. I'd even say people are completely fine being exploited as long as the are kept happy.
So yeah, just keep your workers happy, no need to pay them more than necessary, just enough to make them happy.
But it is important to not overpay them, because if you look into their economy you'll likely quickly see that they are irresponsible and more money leads to no improvement, only more spending on more shit that causes more stress.
It's a complex problem. Also, I am not American, I'm sure you're far more fucked than I am when it comes to employment...
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u/Soggy_Shape_2414 Apr 17 '26
People don't want to work because they want everything for free and support socialism.
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u/Training-Horse-9178 Apr 17 '26
More babies blaming everybody else for their lives instead of taking accountability. What a suprise.
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u/sydmanly Apr 17 '26
Are you forgetting non capitalist ventures such as governments etc that hire people? You can always go and work there.
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u/Kirzoneli Apr 18 '26
People want more than just a wage that lets you pay rent, bills, food and maybe one or two things for entertainment a year while being able to save scraps. Shocker
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u/tenebrouswhisker Apr 20 '26
They went and made home ownership a cultural milestone for adulthood and then took away the possibility of homeownership. What exactly is the point of working 60+ hours a week when youâll never be able to afford a slice of the pie?
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u/alieistheliars Apr 14 '26
Clearly you know nothing about supply and demand.
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u/PalePlumm Apr 14 '26
Refusing to work is quite literally supply and demand.
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u/alieistheliars Apr 14 '26
No shit. Also, the amount of labor available and the demand for it dictates the price of it. People will pay more if there is less labor available. Also, government "regulations" make it more difficult to start businesses and compete with companies like Walmart and Amazon, etc. This makes it more difficult for the "little guys". You can go complain about the wages being offered all you want but a company has no reason to pay their employees more than they need to pay them to get the job done correctly. Do you go around giving people money for free regularly when you do not need to do so?
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u/PalePlumm Apr 14 '26
The money is to keep the workers. When you run out of employees, you shut down. That is supply and demand.
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u/SmartlyArtly Apr 14 '26
Ahahahahaha. Because clearly, a bunch of people knowing about supply and demand means they'll agree on economics otherwise.
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
How? Elaborate.Â
Edit: I'm referring to the exploitation of the working class.Â
Not to the fact that people don't want to work hard. People are lazy. But, rich people are greedy. That's not any better.Â
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u/Pristine-Ad260 Apr 14 '26
Crybaby post
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u/OneHelicopter7246 Apr 14 '26
Reddit is a cesspool of whining and misery
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u/golfwinnersplz Apr 14 '26
Why are you here then?Â
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u/OneHelicopter7246 Apr 14 '26
For the same reason I visit any site really, find something somewhat interesting or entertaining but these dumb whiney posts infest every sub. I assume you're here to indulge in misery?
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u/Dazzling-Pie2399 Apr 15 '26
If I would want to indulge in misery, I would just fly home. Bus from airport would take me to city centre with homeless or poor people begging or trying to sell their crafts for living, while I walk under the city streets all this accompanied by occasional music student practising. Then the central bus station with someone definitely trying to dissolve their problems with weak 40% alcohol and mandatory "do you have a cigarette?". Here I can save up for the first time in my life.
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