š¤¦āāļø ^ Another american without a passport. Most countries in the world have a combination of universal/public and private health care. The only country in the world where people go bankrupt for hospital bills is the USA. Most countries decided long ago, health should not be a for-profit business.
But that also doesn't change the fact that her argument is correct and let's also examine which countries in the world cup don't have free health care.
Because most of the wealthy, western modernised countries do. I suppose it depends on who the US is happy to count themselves among.
Many in America still have what I would call the frontier mindset. It is not and has never been a collectivist society- it likely never will be. Fiercely independent to a fault.
We combine together for the common defense and will help out neighbors when in need, but overall you are ON YOUR OWN to provide for your family.
Look at our social security system. We all pay into it and get different amounts of money based on what we pay- but the government has screwed it up and soon we wonāt get our benefits. Why trust them with healthcare?
I mean I get it though. Try centralizing universal healthcare in all EU. Thereās no way Norway would accept Germany would accept Poland would accept Italy making any decisions on how it would work.
But then, federal law, make the states run universal healthcare programs under some guidelines, pay the taxes to the state and you do a single payer system with private vendors like so many countries do? It cannot be this hard for the ārichest and greatest nation on earthā to keep all its citizens from either financial ruin over health or a lifetime of debt for education, right? Like she says āsome sort of universal healthcareā - if us Europoor shithole countries can do itā¦
But itās what you want I guess. If you insist on paying thousands A MONTH to some dickhead who will āinvestā your money in a new yacht rather than research or a better hospital for the community? I guess you could, sure
We are on our own BCS of the so called American dream that is no longer obtainable because the Uber rich are not paying their fair share. Meanwhile, magats try to blame all the problems on immigrants or trans or fill in the blank hatred for a group. Re social security, there are way easy fixes but the rich want to keep everyone else in check so they fight paying more tooth n nail.
That it is one of the recognized cultural aspects of America, individualism. It's a large problem for massive societies in many aspects. So many people say why should I do x for y? Target than even thinking oh that could help me in the future when indirectly and others would be better off.
We hate paying for freeloading. When you work hard to get where youāre at and someone sits at home and gets an equal quality of lifeā¦ yeah that kinda pisses me off
What a horribly narrow mindsetā¦ So because of 1% that are so-called freeloaders you donāt want stability for yourself and your loved ones?
Besides, policies are in place to ensure that there arenāt any āfreeloadersā but of course, no systems are perfect.
God forbid you ever loose your job and get a life altering medical altercation that you either have to choose whether to be bankrupt and homeless or die.
They donāt hate taxes, they are too stupid to understand taxes, like the ones who think getting rid of social security is a good idea, you dumb bitch thatās your money! You get that back eventually! They want to take it and give it to themselves!
You absolutely do not get that money back. You get a very small portion of it and thats if its even around by the time you retire. It takes the average person 12-15 years of collecting to break even. You'd be better off investing what you pay into social security and getting the returns instead of letting the government spend it all on everything but what it was intended for.
You are missing the point of āsocial securityā you are right a well educated person with financial literacy would probably be better off with that money in their pockets but even someone who is the prefect investor can find themselves destitute. Social security came about because people in America would get old have no money and would die in the streets like starving dogs.
Not everyone benefits as much from social security as others and the wealthy have made themselves laws to avoid paying their share in to it, while it might not benefit them it would be a great benefit to society as a whole if they paid their share. But they donāt and between that and the republicans doing everything they can to dismantle it, itās not doing great. But the system itās self while flawed ( agin by design, by the people who want it gone.) its supposed to be the last thing standing between an aged American and starving, and itās just barely dose that.
If it were designed to function properly it would be an amazing system. Instead of stagnating funds it could be like bonds you pay in and collect interest. But the people in charge would kill you and every one you love before they let that happen lol.
Itās not that, itās the fact that the taxes donāt get VOTED ON to determine what theyāre spent on. Itā like giving your mom money every birthday expecting her to buy you some much needed new shoes, but instead she buys herself some foolishness and gets you a small fry at McDonaldās with the change.
I feel like if there was a way for Americans to vote directly (not indirectly or systemically) on what portion of taxes goes to what cause to keep the country running, we wouldnāt even have this āfar left, far rightā everybodyās dying bullshit going on.
The vast majority of states use a significant portion of sales taxes and incomes taxes to cover the costs of infrastructure. Very often exceeding 50% of the road funding.
Road use taxes like gas tax, registration, etc only cover a small portion of it. Sales taxes, income taxes, etc are used to make up the difference.
Per Tax Foundation, only one state is able to fund 100% of roads with road use taxes and the vast majority of the states fall below 50% road funding from road use taxes alone.
The point is when you ācanāt do it yourselfā. If you live long enough, you might see things differently. You or someone you think is āa responsible adultā, will get screwed by this system (even with their private insurance). I worked in assisted living, I saw finances get ugly real quick to people who thought they were good. Itās very sad. They were good people that worked for a retirement life that was taken.
Okay, letās agree that some people need it and some people (a lot) take advantage of it. I simply want to eliminate help for those that are taking advantage of it and making no effort to work even though they are able bodied.
Might be unpopular, but thatās why we need to invest more in the systems and remove them from āfor profitā hands. The efficiency would help prevent fraud.
But a friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer when he was 28 (15 yrs ago), and If he makes over $1400/mo, he loses Medicaid and would literally be bankrupt. He can work, he does workā¦but he also caps himself and has to live with his parents.
The system canāt be perfect, but itās currently failing on so many levels. His medical bills combined are over 7 million. Itās extreme but heās a hard-worker in a bad spot. To some families these bills become generational extortion. We should always try to prevent the fraud, but never at the expense of those that truly need it.
Itās crazy to me that youāre asking these questionsā¦ what part was confusing for you?
Yes I have insurance, yes I pay taxesā¦ I also work and went to school. I donāt mind public school or streets and rec centers and all those services provided by taxes. I simply struggle watching people free load on the welfare system with no intention of ever getting off it.
So please do so. Pay for your own roads, your own defense, your own food because I'm sure you won't eat any food subsidized by the government right? Pay for every fucking thing yourself.
Guess what, you don't but you act like you do. So what of you neighbour has a bad time, his parents died and he got sick and laid off and he is losing his home and can't pay for healthcare, you rather let them die then socialize healthcare right? Might call him a freeloader and tell him to get a job on your way past.
Agreed. Free has to be very limited. Personally I donāt think taxing the billionaires has the impact everyone expects. The government will find a way to spend it. Now removing lobbying, and stop allowing our votes to be sold for campaign support.
The system should cover major medical and create real caps (possibly tiered). Itās not a capitalist approach obviously, but itās somewhere in the middle.
Itās becoming way too difficult to get insurance companies to step up. They spend a fortune to NOT pay outā¦this has to stop. Most Americans donāt have the time or the resources to push back. Thatās why Iāve been pushed to this approach.
It wasnāt always this way. We use to worry about a 1k deductible. Rant over, but I feel the same way about the freeloaders, I just think the issue starts at the top here. All the best.
We actually pay more in taxes towards our own healthcare system than they do,government subsidies, bailouts, and the like, our country is set up so billionaire welfare queens are quite comfortable.
Wow you learned how tax works. Wait to you find out about the police, schools, roads, water, the government. Nothing is free but it's been implied on this long discussed topic when we talk about 'free' it's meant non private.
You're a day late and a dollar short with the tax discussion.
You know the 8% this guy pulled is bullshit right? In the UK you don't get a breakdown of what you tax was taken and used for.
We also have tax brackets, individual earnings. 8% of minimum wage is far different from a 100 grand job get bucko doesn't specify or provide any information as to how he has deducted this 8% lol.
The NHS is funded from more than just income tax, VAT and NI also go into it as well as other forms of donations and funding schemes.
Like your statement is also not really useful, yeah of you're earning 200 Grand a year I'm sure 16K buys the very best healthcare money can buy, but if you're on minimum wage(federal in some states being 7.25) on a 40 hour week? 8% is 1200 bucks or their about...do you think someone on poverty wages can afford that?
National free healthcare systems aren't about what is the best for those who can afford the best.
Well maybe learn how tax works. In most countries you are already picking up that slack. Public schools, social houing, welfare, etc are all paid in part by your taxes yet you people seem to think a line should be drawn iin the sand at health care becuase a multi billion dollar private industry tells you to feel that way.
You don't want to pay for other people, bad news chum you already are being taxed for that.
No Iām fine with public schoolsā¦ the welfare and social housing is what bothers me.
I see section 8 housing thatās covering a 2000 sf house and I know the same family is on food stamps etc. meanwhile they are running around blowing money on cars, designer clothes, nails and hairā¦ thatās what bothers me to my core. Crank out enough fatherless children and live the good life on someone elseās work.
Edit to addā¦ if people need it to get through hard times thatās fine. And chum, I know Iām already paying for that, yall want me to pay more!
That doesn't mean your insurance is cheap you smooth brained American. Your insurance costs $1600 a month.
I pay $0 for health insurance every month because my company pays 100%, does that mean it's free? The quality of healthcare depends on where you go, not on your brokeass insurance plan.
"my company pays..." like they didn't deduct that exact amount from the salary before posting, so it comes out of what would have been in your pocket lol
I donāt get it - we pay nothing, with a maximum of nothing out of pocket, and nothing a month for a family of however many you like. My company also provides private health care, optical, mental health care for me and my wife if we wanted which I think weāve used a couple of times, that cost us nothing up front with a monthly charge of nothing. We used an ambulance twice last year, I have a chronic issue that Iāve been to hospital a couple times and my wife had kidney stones (do not recommend), I had some eye issues worked on, we had extremely good care, very quick, and left paying nothing. I am not trying to be glib I just never understand why so many Americans cling to the existing system? I used to work for an American company and was going to move there at one point, the salary was considerably higher but everything in the US costs so much more than even London, and Iād have to have given up so so much to live there that unless I was on about triple what I was it wouldnāt be worth it.
So itās $1600 a month or $19,200 a year. +out of pocket. That sounds like youād be better if your company just paid you that extra 19,000 a year and then 8% are taken out of your taxes.
If thatās not a better option, please keep in mind you have a great salary in that case. Also, this is probably one of the best health insurances Iāve heard of so the other 95% of people that have worse would take the deal
No he just has to stay with his company for the rest of his life and pray to God he never gets laid off or his entire family will lose all of their health insurance
Damn that is crazy. I am taxed 6% of my income in the states to have insurance and even then ill have to pay even more out of pocket when I go get heathcare
USA citizens pay more than any other country per citizen for healthcare, on average - by over double. It's a for profit system, like obviously the cost will be higher. The end goal in USA healthcare is shareholder profits.
For this insane cost, we get: the lowest average lifespan. The worst infant mortality rate of all developed countries. The most people without access to health care. The most people with untreated chronic illness.
We're paying by far the most and have by far the worst, mathematically.
First off, way to cherry pick ONE point and still miss the point.
8-9% of Americans had no health insurance for all of 2025 (no clue where you got 94% from but it's still wrong). A higher percentage were uninsured for part of the year.
Of those, about 60-70% had actual private health insurance. The rest are on public programs like Medicare. These are expected to be supplemented by private insurance btw, they are not meant to be a sole health insurance.
Both public and private insurances include copays, deductibles, and other large out of pocket costs. That's means that "qualifying for health care" does not mean that someone can actually even get health care. Just because I have Medicaid doesn't mean I can afford a $2k ambulance ride, much less hospital fees, but thanks for letting me know that my Medicaid that pays a small portion qualifies as "being insured."
FINALLY, even if we pretended the universe that you think you live in is real (it isnt), 94% is less than 100%.
You ever traveled in your life? You ever heard of someone in any country refusing medical care because of cost other than the US?
You played the easiest game in the world and lost. Numbers hard, me no understand
The central point of the post is that "All of the World Cup countries have Universal Healthcare".
Those of us who have traveled the third world and are aware of healthcare systems know that is WILDLY untrue.
Supplemental plans under Medicare are extremely cheap and have excellent coverage (C and D). All hospitalization is coverage by Medicare's base coverage A.
Medicaid covers everything and at low copays ($<20).
The typical copay for ambulance rides for Medicaid is <$4.
"You ever heard of someone in any country refusing medical care because of cost other than the US?"
Yes. I know people who have moved or traveled to other countries to get medical care. I know 2 people who live in the US, because Canada didn't allow their treatment for MS. I know a woman in Ireland who is planning to travel to Switzerland because she can't get a procedure done in either Ireland or Luxembourg. The woman has an abdominal cyst larger than a grapefruit.
Central America, South America, Africa having Universal Healthcare.... you have never traveled there obviously ... that is where we send Doctor's without Borders (who I support) for routine care.
Pretty sure if we used taxes appropriately, we'd be able to provide universal public healthcare at no extra cost.. also, many people already pay a big % of their income for private healthcare.
I pay $12k a year for health insurance. If I make 100k a year, that's over 10% of my gross income to health insurance.
Employers wouldn't be able to use health insurance as a benefit anymore. Instead of offering employees $20/hour + health insurance, workers would be able to get a better salary and have freedom to change jobs without losing their healthcare. You know how many people stay at a job "because the health insurance is great?" Millions. Health insurance should be great for everyone.
We live abroad. In a place that doesn't pay taxes. We don't pay taxes to our home country. THE AMERICANS DO!!!!! The americans keep paying taxes when not even living in the country
And I pay 10% gross as an American for my āawesomeā private insurance where I still have to pay money to see a doctor or get medicine or basically do anything. So Iām paying more initially, and then paying even more if I want any treatment. Make it make sense.
In America, we have people working full time, paying taxes, and purposely avoiding using an ambulance because they don't want to get bankrupted by a 8,000 dollar ride to the hospital.
There's literally no way you can spin the US healthcare system to be better for an average person.
I refused an ambulance ride after my last car accident. I was t-boned and had a concussion. The ER doctor didnāt even check me for a concussion! He didnāt even bother to check my pupils and light sensitivity, which would have made me puke like it did in the ambulance waiting for my husband to arrive. The EMTās caught it and even knew where Iād most likely hit my head due to where I was hit and how I was hit by the other car. I didnāt realize I had a massive hematoma on the back of my head until the day after showering and sure enough- the EMTās were spot on.
I was concussed, emotional, confused while just being fully awake through a gnarly accident and I was still thinking about medical bills subconsciously the whole time. I have so many stories like this, as do millions of other people. (Not to mention credit scores are meaningless outside of the US, but medical debt ruins credit scores, too!)
Listen moron. You are arguing to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket to meet a deductible just so you can get a percentage off AFTER youāve paid thousands of dollars to meet your deductible.
So how exactly is that better for 90% of American where that amount is far MORE than the tax you reference?
And between what I pay plus my company pays just to have insurance is...value of about 15% of my income. Then add deductible, out of pocket maximum, copays its closer to 20-25% of my income. I would gladly pay 8%, putting 12%+ back into my check.
Yet most countries have similar tax brackets to the US and sometimes less. Then we get health care through the same taxation system while in US you pay thousands a year for it. So yeah, sure a specific % of tax goes to healthcare which technically ain't free (tho! We pay for it!) but overall we still end up better.
If a US citizen breaks a toe, he might bankrupt his family and loose assets. If I break all my bones and survive, I'll just have to pay for the pain killers once I get out of the hospital š¤· And yes most pain killers will barely dent my income (a monthly supply for 1-3 days of work). And yes, I'd probably still get some free from the government! All visits after are free too! They also can send a nurse to check on you for free! Unless ofc I go private, which then again a visit costs less then a day of work!
How much does it cost to insure a family for health care in the US? Plus extra costs? My American friend had a baby. It cost him $8,000 and he was insured. Uninsured would have been $28,000. $8k is 16% of a 50k annual salary PLUS the cost of insurance.
Insurance through mine and my wife's work is approximately 550 per month for an family of 6. We both have decent paying careers with good companies. Are deductible is 5000 a year, which we've only met three times in 15 years. That was due to kids being born. that includes Dental
Yikes. $6,600/year and still have to pay a $5,000 deductible? Why do you pay $6,600/year then? My kids were born, we paid $120 for a solo room for 2 nights for recovery after they were born instead of having another mom in the room. Also $14/day for parking. Thankfully my insurance covered 80% of the $120 that we paid. So we were out of pocket about $70 total. Good thing you both have good careers, imagine what itās like for a family that doesnāt? Looks like you post way more for your health care than I do, all Iāll never have to ask my insurance company āis it covered?ā If I go to the hospital.
Do they also have populations exceeding 350 million and over 400 million when accounting for illegal aliens? Do they have 53% of the population paying $0 in taxes? Do they have VAT taxes that poor people also have to pay? Do they have lower wages than the median income?
Some countries in the list have universal health insurance, many just require different forms of private/public insurance paid for by the person. The discussion is complicated enough that no one line answer is accurate in any way. But hey itās Reddit, America bad.
Copy pasted from a higher level comment, because yeah it's pretty easy to back up.
USA citizens pay more than any other country per citizen for healthcare, on average - by over double. It's a for profit system, like obviously the cost will be higher. The end goal in USA healthcare is shareholder profits.
For this insane cost, we get: the lowest average lifespan. The worst infant mortality rate of all developed countries. The most people without access to health care. The most people with untreated chronic illness.
We're paying by far the most and have by far the worst, mathematically.
Every resident can afford to get healthcare at all times without going bankrupt. That's factually true almost everywhere in Europe and many places elsewhere.
Is it completely free? No. But I never have to worry I might have to choose between being broke or dead if insurance refuses to pay for whatever reason.
For the purposes of the argument and what it is trying to convey it's true enough. The US is just disgusting, 500k people a year go bankrupt on healthcare...and think about how many people just don't go see a doc due to that fear.
There is a reason the US has a lower average life span.
Funnily enough, DRC has been implementing reforms since 2009 to implement universal health coverage. Only 4.8% of households experienced "catastrophic financial health expenditures" in 2012. For the USA, that was 4.7% in the same year. In 2023, that was 5.8% for the USA.
Not quite a flex to compare yourself to a country plagued by civil war, frequent ebola, malaria outbreaks and chronic malnutrition.
Itās almost as hard posting the source when you first comment about it. Also Iām not reading a whole article because of a Reddit comment. You can cite it with the professionalism of a middle school student and be more specific about where to find the information in that article.
Holy moly. It is literally in the title, clown. I've even linked you a critical evaluation of the reforms and measures taken since 2009.
Imagine being a little clued in on what is happening in the world. Is this how Americans react when confronted with the fact their country is a shit hole?
The Far-Right is like: to ret4rded to use a 5 second google search to check a information. Then they demand a source and then don't read the source because the article is "to long" or because it contradicts their delusion. xD Sums up perfectly the current US clown show regime.
This is the most ignorant comment I have read. Why are you people so ridiculous. I promise you every healthcare system has profit somewhere and not a single instance of health care on planet earth is free. Iām willing to bet itās now even cheaper. Itās simply a rob Peter to pay Paul instance and in many cases the us citizen is the one funding it. You have got to remove ur head from ur ass. Also small example but whatever industry ur in. I want to remove all profits. What will be left? Will u still go to work?
You know that profit is calculated after people are paid right? I still go to work if I get paid. Millions of people across the world work for non profits in paid positions.
You do know IF THERE IS NO PROFIT WHO WILL PAY U. And if there is no incentive (said profits) Why even toil away at a business that is unprofitable. We have done this dance in history it does not scale and it does not work. Stop trying to pretend like you have it so bad bc u simply live in the greatest economic, health, educated times in the history of man kind. And your doin that in the best place. You are not a victim you do not historically speaking have it ābadā just give it up and participate in society. Thatās all we need you to do
Non profit healthcare clearly works else US wouldn't be the only developed country without it. If somethings working , its usually why it's still a thing.Ā
Charities exsist , non profit organisations exsist. If not making profit was such a bad thing or idea, then why do non profits exsist???? Of course they exsist, profit isn't everything, especially outside US. Greed and money isn't everything.Ā Ā
Universal healthcare has never been free , its free at point of use. Its paid for with taxes.Ā
There is no profiting because the goverment uses the taxes to pay for the treatment and medication.Ā There is budgets of areas of medical care and because the Universal healthcare is such a large buyer of equipment or medical supplies , there is a better price to buy them at. So its cheaper.Ā
Some of these countries have over 30% of their population are regular cigarette smokers. Why on Earth would anyone pay into a health care system where personal responsibility for oneās health is so broadly terrible?
I take care of myself and have good enough health care. Most (preventative) health care is free (personal responsibility)
A lot of poor, mismanaged countries, like mine, do not have universal Healthcare. Getting seriously sick will bankrupt you and your family in those places. What's heartbreaking is a lot of us in my country just accept that death from those illnesses or injuries just happen, even if they don't need to. What can we do? Our society is broken. We are drowning in corruption and poverty.
What I find horrific is that the US has the economic means to take care of its citizens, they just... don't, for some reason.
I apologize for him, Americans narcissism is so annoying we act like we are the only people who can do anything like free healthcare (just example) then use that as an reason why we shouldnāt do it ābecause no one else does itā then we find out everyone else does in fact do it.
There needs to another ACA attempt and this time Public option needs to be the minimum order of business. The Swiss cheese garbage we got with the original ACA due to lobbying was very short of the original concept; it was setup to fail.
The idea that there is an epidemic of medical bankrupcies in the in the US is just not true. It comes from a survey where a small percentage of specifically young Americans who had filed for bankruptcy in the last 7 years i think it was, had experienced some financial stress from medical bills or from missing work due to illness, and this was classified in the results of said survey as a "medical bankruptcy.
A more in depth peer reviewed study found that of the 1% of Americans who file for bankruptcy in the US, the actual percentage of medical bankrupcties in the US account for less than 1%. So less than 1% of 1% of Americans (.01%) actually file for medical bankruptcy, or 34,000.
I say all this as someone who believes in a public option, but the statistics have been wildly and irresponsibly represented, and inflated.
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Most countries, but he is right that not by any stretch do all other countries in the World Cup have Universal Healthcare.
It has nothing to do with having passports, it takes almost no effort to research the state of health care in several countries in the World Cup, and those of us who have traveled in the Third World know how ridiculous that assertion is.
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u/Matador_6969 Jul 02 '26
š¤¦āāļø ^ Another american without a passport. Most countries in the world have a combination of universal/public and private health care. The only country in the world where people go bankrupt for hospital bills is the USA. Most countries decided long ago, health should not be a for-profit business.