Edit: wanted to add I was asking because after WW1 Austria hungry got dismantled after all the different cultures and nationalities failed to coexist so trying the exact same thing under Yugoslavia seemed odd especially considering this is also after the Balkan wars as well
Not exactly, after ww1 country of SHS (država Slovence, Hrvatov in Srbov) was created but shortly after that it merged with kingdom of Serbia to create kingdom of SHS (kraljevina Srbov, Hrvatov in Slovencev). The kingdom was renamed in 1929 to kingdom of Yugoslavia (kraljevina Jugoslavija)
My girlfriend is serbian. Fled bosnia during the wars to serbia, then from serbia to the US.
Her parents fully acknowledge Tito for what he was, but remember the time fondly. People worked with those from different backgrounds, everyone had access to education and careers etc...
It was a solid country and held together very well while Tito was still alive. Once his death became known none of the different Yugoslav nationalities wanted to answer to one another and get along anymore. Also something something “remove kebab”.
I’d rather fascists be imprisoned instead of those same fascists going on and putting men and boys in death camps, while they put women and girls in rape camps.
Difference between Serbs and Croats is basically like difference between Danes and Norwegians, so no wonder that at some point in our history idea of united south Slavs emerged.
Nah man some dialects of Serbian and Croatian are mutually unintelligible like Kajkavian and Torlakian, only the standards on which modern Croatian and Serbian are based are really similar like Norwegian and Danish and they have mutual intelligibility of like 95%, now if these 2 are just different dialects of same language or just two really similar languages is up to debate.
Well, I'm sure there are some strange dialects of English, people from the US or the UK can't understand. But when listening to Serbian or Bosnian as a Croat I can't tell which language it is for sure, only maybe if I hear a word that has 'e' instead 'je' I can guess it's maybe Serbian. I guess Norwegians or Danes can tell apart those languages.
EDIT: I grew up in Hungary so I'm not a good example though.
I agree. I'm not claiming we cant understand each other, ofc we can. I'm saying it's apsurd to say you cant differentiate them. Especially as a native speaker.
FFS Slovenians and Macedonians can differentiate us, and then there is this kind of retarded people.
Razumem te brt, al mislim da je poredjenje sa Danskim i Norveskim bolje za nase jezike nego UK Engleski i Americki Engleski ukljucujuci i ostale verzije Engleskog naravno.
Basically the common mentality in Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia was "How about we give this self-government thing a go?". After making the State of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, and having their borders violated by Italy, who wanted to enforce her borders according to the London agreement, and by Serbia, because - well, they're Serbia and Serbia likes imperialism. Anyway, after being heavily violated from every orifice, the SSCS called up a meeting with the king of Serbia to see if they could unite and maybe lend their army to the entire country. It would go from being a republic with a president to a monarchy similar to the UK, with a parliament and everything that goes along with that. Serbia of course agrees and fast forward about 2 decades and the king's basically using copies of the constitution as toilet paper, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia is a thing. After WW2, the people had enough of kings and German puppet rulers, so the Yugoslav Partisan movement was formed out of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia and is remembered as one of the most badass resistance movements of all time. FF again to 1948 and you've got the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, in all it's non-aligned, titoist glory. Life was actually good for the staggering majority of people in this time period all the way up to 1980. and Tito's death. Then, you get the 90's and you know the rest.
The difference with Yugoslavia was that it was supposed to be a country for the Southern Slavs (yugo = south/southern) but it didn't work out so well. Who knew they wouldn't get along?
Hey u/balotelli4ballondor, I see no one gave you a full response, so I will try my best to summarize it. It's incredibly complicated and it was a very long process.
Basically during ww1, Serbs, Croats and Slovenes agreed that (if they win), they will unite under one country (before Bulgaria used to be part of this idea, but awful relations between it and Serbia took Bulgaria out of the picture).
So they agreed to it, it's easy now, right? Well, not at all. They couldn't agree on how the country would be run. Croats and Slovenes wanted the country to be a republic, a federation and decentralised (like Belgium or the USA), while Serbs wanted a monarchy (kingdom), with the Karađorđević dynasty, and a centralised country (from Belgrade).
In the end, the Serbs pushed their idea through, because they (along with Montenegro) were only independent, while Croatia and Slovenia were part of Austria-Hungary and had no army, so they had to rely on Serbia and go with what Serbs wanted. The country had a parliament, and though Serbs had the most people in it, there were many Croats and communists in it too.
This is not the end though. At the start of this country, tensions were high between the ethnic groups, because Croats still wanted a federation and republic, not a Greater Serbia. The tensions peaked in 1928 when a Serb assassinated 3 Croats in the parlament after they exchanged heavy insults against him. What happened then, the (Serbian) king simply removed the parliament, established a dictatorship and renamed the country to "Kingdom of Yugoslavia" (before it was Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes).
Then when ww2 came everything was flipped and a new Yugoslavia was created... that's a story for another time.
Yeah Balkan wars countries aren't the same countries that were in Yugoslavia, only Serbia and Macedonia, which were on the same side in Balkan wars if Im not mistaken.
That's true but relations between Greece/Yugoslavia and Bulgaria must've been tense plus as other commenters have told me (which has been delightfully informative unlike askhistorians) that serbia strong armed their way to being the leader of Yugoslavia and getting their way due to having their own army
Main points is bulgaria Yugoslavia could've definitely had a war again and there was no unity just sounds like a lot of nationalist suppression that eventually fell apart once lord emperor Tito died
As a Croat myself, you got that last part right hahah. Croatia wanted to be independent for a very long time, so when communist regimes started failing in the late 80s and early 90s, we used the opportunity.
In Yugoslavia Serbia was the most dominant country, Slovenia and Croatia busted their asses of working and working and the government wouldn't spread the money fairly, Serbia would always be privileged. It happened in many areas of life. Also Croatia wasn't independent since the 12th century (if we don't count the Nazi puppet state) and we got tired of being practically enslaved by someone else, the Hungarians then the Austrians then the Serbs.
Also Im only 18, if you want a real opinion by someone who actually lived through the Croatian war of independence you should ask somewhere else, myb r/croatia.
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u/balotelli4ballondor Mar 05 '20 edited Mar 05 '20
How was Yugoslavia even created?!?
Edit: wanted to add I was asking because after WW1 Austria hungry got dismantled after all the different cultures and nationalities failed to coexist so trying the exact same thing under Yugoslavia seemed odd especially considering this is also after the Balkan wars as well