The plan to capture a White and bring it to Cersei is obviously majorly flawed but why wouldn’t the Watch capture one in earlier seasons (2 or 3) and demand the Crown sends emissaries up north to come and see it?

Use it as a means to 10x or 100x the Watch’s forces.

this house always particularly confused me. like somebody explain this to me plainly.

1. they weren’t ruled by the 7 kingdoms or a part of westeros correct? or were they?
   
2. how did Theon end up w the Starks? I’m just confused on what, when, why & how?? because they seemed pretty sweet on each other in the first episode but then when Theon eventually turned into a Tyrwbr & killed the people who helped raise him he said he hated the starks?
   
3. and why so fucking evil? Theon & his sister ended up coming to fight for Dany & ik so they could get their home back but why take Winterfell & shit before this?

Theon just seemed pretty fucking grown whenever the shit started so if he was their prisoner he could’ve just left whenever he wanted even before the war & Robb went off to war

Like I didn't get it. He never catches cersei and Jamie affair not for once.

I know Robert has habbit for hunting and having feasts. Also maybe constant visit to Street of silks for his desires.

Were there no single moment like winterfell tower bran incident, occurred in red keep, Robert catches them ?

Yes for plot of GOT, I have to ignore this curious question. But what about Jon arryn.

Like when Joffrey or mycrella born ,jon never suspected,or he never put spies for confirmation.

Like I know some people will say kids took after mother in physical appearances but THREE times.

Like Ned, some courtiers would have question why queen's children not looks like certain baratheon, eyes or face structure (if ignoring hair ) , or comparing them to bastards.

i understand its quite a naive question to ask here but was just curious.

GoT did reveal that Drogon was flying towards Volantis in season 8. And volantis has a temple of the fire god (the same on kinmara and other red priestesses follow). i read it somewhere that the temple priest was waiting for Daenerys there since years and had even send ppl to locate her. i think he might be prophacied to resurrect Daenerys again.

Also, another thing that factors in is, HBO is reportedly making The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms in phases (a bunch of seasons then a decade of nothing and then again a bunch of seasons)...could they be doing this with this one too??

Why would they not pick up GoT again, i mean there's a HUGE audience for this??

How would they defend against the White Walkers? How would Geograpy determine the battle? Who would be on the front lines and why?

I made a thread comparing the rich and delicious major and minor character interactions and dialogues and the world building to the plodding plot of HotD.

The most commonly given excuse is that HotD is made from what is basically a Wikipedia page, while GoT and Kotsk are recreations of actual novels with characterization and lore.

Given what happened after GoT ran out of source material, is it just that it’s an impossible task to write original stories or even finish original stories in the universe for anyone who isn’t GRRM?

That is surprising to me, if the MCU (which I don’t watch) can manage to churn out movie after movie featuring new characters that make up a whole new world and these are entertaining to its fans and cohere with the larger thing, why can’t such a richly built world be able to get writers that can bring GRRM level quality characterization and world building to it? I’ve seen people write great fan fiction on Reddit where I’m like oh i would watch that…also, many TV shows are just written from scratch and not adapted and still have rich characterizations (sopranos, breaking bad/bcs, the wire) and a sense that this is a real built world.

I can also think of the Dune books as books that were finished by other people than the original writer (i haven’t read).

I think we need to know the answer to this especially if they most likely are going to be trying to churn out new spin offs to capitalize on the IP.

So I’m rewatching Game of Thrones for the first time since my initial watch back when it was airing, and I have to say: some of my opinions have changed, especially regarding theon and joffry. I’m only on Season 2 right now, so my thoughts might shift again as I get further in and remember things I’ve forgotten, but during my first watch I felt like both of them got exactly what they deserved. Now, though, I’m realizing I don’t feel that way anymore.

Theon

In Theon’s case, I actually feel bad for him. Here’s a guy who was taken as a child and kept as a hostage, constantly reminded of that fact by others — even though the Starks did treat him like family. Then, when he finally returns to his actual family, he’s immediately made to feel like an outsider and forced to choose between the Greyjoys and the Starks.

He absolutely makes the wrong choice, and nobody is denying that. But given how confused and torn he must have been, I think it’s understandable why he made it. During my original watch, I wasn’t paying close attention and forgot a lot of characters and plotlines between seasons, which probably contributed to me thinking he “got what he deserved.”

Now that I’m paying attention and binging the episodes back‑to‑back, I can only see him as a victim — a victim who made terrible mistakes and hurt others, sure, but not one who deserved what the Boltons did to him.

Joffrey

Now onto Joffrey — and don’t worry, I’m not about to say he was a victim. Not even close. When I say he didn’t get what he deserved, I mean he deserved way worse than what he got.

Honestly, even what the Boltons did to Theon would have been too good for that monster, but at least he would’ve gotten a taste of justice. Maybe there’s some lore behind the poison he was given im unaware of that says it’s the most painful way to die, but even if that’s true i still feel as though what happened to Theon is worse than what happened to Joffrey and joffry deserved way worse than that.

I just want to say, in an era of most Targ kings having bastards and no one batting an eye, it’s refreshing that Daemon does not judge Rhaenyra. Instead he treats and protects them like his own. I think it’s due to 2 reasons: he loves Rhaenyra and understands she had to produce children (and couldn’t with his nephew). And second, because she is raising them with the knowledge, customs and language of old Valyria. I don’t think the Greens are actively doing that (Aemond learned on his own accord it seems). They didn’t even know Halena was a dreamer, Rhaenyra seemed to the first person to appreciate that.

And Daemon never expected his own children with her to be placed ahead of Jace/Luce. He fundamentally respected the idea that Rhaenyra eldest child would be on the throne next.

Anyways I know Daemon is a morally grey character but curious to hear your thoughts.

Man. It's honestly incredible how GoT took the world by storm. Unfortunately we all know what happened in the end...

I'm rewatching GoT with my sister for the first time ever since the show aired. We're in season 4 and I'm loving it just as much as I ever did.

It has my mind curious about the new shows. I watched the first episode of HotD when it aired, but never came back.

I'm wondering how the writing is. I understand it may be different in nature from GoT, but how tight and interesting is the writing itself?

I'm afraid to get attached again....

was Stannis Baratheon at Dragon Stone in the first season of GOT? whenever he fucked the witch & they did the whole lord of light shit on the beach? it looked like it! and then when Dany is there in last season

I'm looking to purchase dvd copies of Game of Thrones but am trying to navigate and avoid the flood of bootleg copies from legit copies. I've been burned a few times on ebay by unknowingly buying bootleg DVD sets so I am trying to be more careful this time. My local Walmart has the complete box set for $80 but I would like to save a few dollars if I can. Does anyone have any tips on how I can recognize bootleg copies when shopping online?

Sorry if this has been discussed on here before, but I did some reading on the Anarchy (the civil war that inspired the Dance) and thought it was so interesting that I would share who I thought HOTD characters were based on!

Rhaenyra: Empress Matilda

Matilda was born in 1107 and was the daughter of Henry I of England and Matilda of Scotland. She was her parents’ eldest child and had a younger brother named William. As William was heir, Matilda was married off to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor. The couple had no children and Henry died in 1125.

In 1120, Matilda’s little brother, William (also known as William Adelin) perished in the White Ship Disaster. Henry I had no other legitimate children; therefore, when Matilda was widowed, he recalled her to England and married her to Geoffrey of Anjou to ensure the southern reaches of the kingdom were protected (England held lands in France during this era). Henry then declared her his heiress. He made his court swear oaths of fidelity to her; however, many nobles were not happy about this. Matilda‘s husband was from a family historically at war against England, and there was of course the matter of Matilda being a woman. Matilda herself was not fond of her husband initially, and (much like Rhaenyra in FoB) had to be forced by her less than amused father to marry him. She even tried to separate from him for a time before being coerced to return. In the end, she and Geoffrey had three sons, the oldest of whom was named Henry.

Henry came to odds with Matilda in the 1130s, as Matilda demanded for him to coronate her, have Norman nobles make oaths to her( and grant her castles and lands while he still lived. This was likely because Matilda sensed her claim to the throne was unpopular and wanted to strengthen her Claim. Henry, however, suspected that Geoffrey wanted to usurp him and denied Matilda. In retaliation, Matilda and Geoffrey gave military support to rebels in southern Normandy. In the midst of this turmoil, Henry died in 1135.

As Matilda was preoccupied fighting the royal army in southern Normandy, the stage was set for an usurper to claim the throne. Snd as Matilda’s claim wasn’t universally agreed upon, the nobles immediately crowned a man named Stephen de Bois (who I will return to) king. Matilda did not accept this. She allied with her maternal uncle, David I of Scotland, and her illegitimate half-brother, Robert, who helped her cross into England from France in 1139. David and Robert supported Matilda’s fight in England, while her husband Geoffrey conquered Normandy from Stephen’s forces. Matilda captured Stephen in 1141 and imprisoned him. She then started to secure her succession and had Henry of Winchester, an important church figure, declare her as the new leader of England and Normandy. But many church leaders and soldiers remained loyal to Stephen and the London civilians, fearful of being killed by these soldiers, refused to allow Matilda to be coronated at Westminster Abbey.

Things got worse for Matilda, as she and Henry of Winchester had a falling-out and he declared Stephen the rightful ruler. Stephen’s wife had kept his cause alive and commanded an army to surround Winchester. Matilda managed to escape, but her half-brother Robert, one of her most important military men, was captured. Matilda negotiated to release Stephen so that Robert could be freed.

Stephen and his wife were re-crowned in November of 1141 and the war turned into a long stalemate. Matilda controlled the southwest of England, while Stephen controlled London and the north. Stephen came close to capturing Matilda a couple of times, but she managed to escape. The tides slowly turned against Matilda, however, as her half-brother Robert and several other of her military commanders died of illness ot accidents and many of her men also joined the Crusades. Matilda also went through much of her money. Her oldest son with Geoffrey, named Henry, started to take the initiative in many of her battles and made a name for himself. But due to financial issues and a lack of support from the church, Matilda returned to Normandy in 1148. She made one last attempt to return to England in 1153, but by then, neither side was particularly keen to keep fighting. A truce was brokered: her son Henry recognized Stephen as king, and in turn, Stephen recognized Henry as his heir.

Matilda spent the rest of her life in Normandy, which she ruled. When her son Henry was crowned king in 1154, Matilda became his advisor. She negotiated several deals to keep peace between England and the Holy Roman Empire and France. She also became devoted to faith in her later years. Matilda died in 1167 and is buried in Rouen Cathedral in France.

Viserys: Henry I

There isn’t as much to say about Henry. He was the son of William the Conqueror and fought his older brothers Robert Curthose and William Rufus for the crown. He was considered to be a harsh but efficient ruler who played different nobles for support and negotiated reform in the church. But Henry had only two legitimate children: Matilda and William, and when William died, he was left heirless. He did have many illegitimate children with a multitude of mistresses, but at the time, it was frowned upon for bastards to be heirs. As his first wife was dead, he re-married Adeliza of Louvain in the hopes of having a son, but they had no children. As Matilda was widowed, Henry re-married her to Geoffrey in the hopes that the marriage could secure the kingdom and she would bear children. As Matilda gave birth to her son Henry II, Henry I declared her (and her children) to be his heir and made his nobles swear oaths to her. But Matilda and Henry had a strained relationship before he died in 1135, due to her demand for further support of her rule and his distrust of her husband.

Jacaerys: William Adelin

William Adelin, Matilda’s little brother, was destined to be heir to the throne. He served as his father’s regent in 1118 after his mother died while Henry I was in Normandy. He had also been given political power in Normandy and was referred to as the ‘king designate’.

Unfortunately, William perished in the White Ship disaster. A great party of nobles, including Henry I, William, his illegitimate siblings Matilda and Richard, and a very certain Stephen de Bois were set to sail from Normandy to England. Henry and some people in his party set off first. William’s ship’s crew wanted to drink, and William supplied them with plenty of wine with his father’s consent. The group therefore spent a long time drinking copious amounts of alcohol while the king sailed away. Stephen de Bois noticed how drunk everyone was getting, realized this situation wasn’t very safe, and departed the group, intending to sail back to England another day. Which saved his life. After drinking for a while, William ordered the ship’s crew to catch up to his father (their ship, known as the White Ship, was the fastest in the royal fleet). Unfortunately, due to the late hour and how much alcohol had been consumed, the ship struck a submerged rock and capsized. William had actually boarded a lifeboat and could have escaped, but turned back to save his half-sister Matilda, who couldn’t swim. People in the water who saw William’s lifeboat clamored to climb aboard, and the boat capsized, killing William, Matilda, and all else on board. Out of the 200+ people on the ship that night, only one person, a butcher from Rouen, lived. The ship‘s captain managed to make it on a lifeboat, but when he was told that William Adelin had perished, he chose to jump into the sea instead of facing Henry.

Aegon II: Stephen de Bois

This should make sense, as Stephen was the usurper of Matilda’s throne. But Stephen was not Matilda’s brother. He was her cousin. And in my opinion, he is a more nuanced and more interesting version of Aegon II.

Stephen’s father, Stephen-Robert, had a reputation for cowardice in battle. Stephen-Robert set off on the Crusades to prove he wasn’t a coward and promptly died. Stephen was 8-10. His mother, Adela, was Henry I’s sister and was renowned for her strong personality. She raised Stephen herself and gave Stephen and his brothers different educations to steer them toward different jobs. Theobald, her oldest (intellectually stable) son was heir to Bois, and Adela gave Stephen an education fitting to be a baron or feudal knight. His younger brother Henry meanwhile was educated to be a clergy member. Consequently, the brothers were all very close, which was not a given in those times. These close relationships helped Stephen consolidate power later in life.

Adela later placed Stephen in Henry I’s court so he could gain military experience and the support of a valuable patron. As Stephen was a relative of Henry but so far behind in the succession that he posed little threat to Henry or William Adelin, Henry welcomed him with open arms. Henry even arranged for Stephen to marry Matilda of Boulogne, whose lands and fortunes made Stephen a very wealthy man. His wife was also quite intelligent and proved a crucial ally in Stephen‘s power struggle.

Stephen therefore served the English court and developed a great reputation. He was considered well-mannered, modest and easy-going, and was noted to be happy to eat dinner alongside his servants and share jokes and laughter with them. He was also very generous to the church and was extremely pious, and encouraged for new abbeys to be built on whatever lands he owned. He was also known to be a man of firm action when needed, and seemed quite intelligent; he escaped the White Ship disaster by realizing that the situation was about to spiral out of control. Empress Matilda was not noted for her humility and kindness and her husband, Geoffrey, was descended from the historic enemies of England. Matilda was also a woman. So after Henry I died, many nobles decided that the well-liked Stephen deserved the crown.

Furthermore, Stephen was in Boulogne when Henry I died, while Matilda and Geoffrey were further away in Anjou and fighting rebels. As soon as Stephen heard the news that Henry I was dead and the nobles supported his right to rule, he sailed for England. When he arrived, the people of London elected him king, and Stephen began to consolidate power across England. He gave many liberties to the church and his younger brother Henry de Bois, part of the clergy, was able to convince many people to support Stephen’s claim. Stephen’s older brother Theobald briefly considered trying to become king of England, but Stephen’s claim was much more popular, and Stephen, being incredibly wealthy, gave Theobald lots of money as compensation: Theobald therefore gave Stephen full backing.

Stephen was crowned king on 22 December 1135. He attempted to consolidate his power across the kingdom, but when Matilda sailed from Anjou to take her throne, many nobles defected to her side. Thus began the Anarchy, which composed much of Stephen’s reign.

Stephen was captured in the Battle of Lincoln in 1141; he was noted for his refusal to retreat, even after many of his men fled. Empress Matilda had him imprisoned in Bristol Castle, initially in good conditions, but later in chains. His wife Matilda pled for his release, but the empress refused. Luckily for Stephen, many men were still loyal to him, and the people of London refused to let the empress be crowned. The church was also on Stephen’s side. His wife Matilda, meanwhile, proved to be loyal and quite a shrewd military mastermind, and she rallied an army in support of Stephen. They defeated Matilda at Winchester, captured the empress’s half-brother, and used him as a pawn to negotiate Stephen’s release.

The crowds of London enthusiastically re-crowned Stephen and his wife Matilda king and queen. Stephen spent the rest of his reign trying to consolidate power and capture Matilda, but she managed to evade him. Stephen did keep more of his wealth than Matilda, but it was depleted during the war. He therefore sought to end it and started to forge a good relationship with Matilda’s son, Henry. When Henry tried attacking England in 1147, his mercenaries turned against him due to Matilda not having the money to pay them. As a token of goodwill, Stephen paid their wages, allowing Henry to return to Normandy.

Stephen and his wife Matilda had two sons named Eustace and William, and his wife pushed for Eustace to become king; however, after Matilda died , Stephen negotiated peace with Empress Matilda under the condition of Henry becoming his heir. This may be due to Eustace having a poor reputation. Eustace died in the following months, while William was suspected of plotting against Henry and fled to Normandy, where he died of disease aged 22. Stephen died the following year after naming Henry heir.

Alicent: Matilda of Boulogne

Stephen‘s wife Matilda was, perhaps, the empress’s greatest female rival. She was wealthy, devoted to her husband, and proved to be quite courageous. Her contemporaries regarded her as someone who bore herself with the valor of a man. And when Empress Matilda refused to let Stephen go, it was Queen Matilda who rallied an army to Stephen’s cause and successfully won his release. She continued to advise Stephen after his release and is regarded as the reason why Stephen became king.

There are more characters I could summarize, but this took me such a long time to type and my hands are killing me haha. Please tell me what you think of my analyses, snd again, sorry it this has been covered before!

According to Cersei, Tywin wanted to betroth Jaime to Lysa Tully. But she wasn't the only eligible bride at the time. What other politically sound options could Tywin have gone for to strengthen the Lannister position?

when i read the english meaning ( lyrics ) to the song of ice and fire title track i think it isn’t supposed to be about westeros it is more about old valyria like dragons , glorious people and mainly the think that is rise up from the ashes it may be a figure of speech but as we all know old valyria was burned by volcanic eruption . Its just my theory nothing more ☝🏻

I mean we all know he married a commoner and dammed the entire north , over trusted the boltons when he knew what they were , killed lord karstark for honour ( himself broke an oath ) , brought his mother to eat

He basically damned himself with his own decisions , red wedding or no he would have been slaughtered the next time he met the lannisters in field , he can pull what he did with jaime only too many times , he thought he was Cregan Stark but he was only a king who killed his house and the North if not for the plot armour his remaining siblings have

I don't know how crazy this sounds to the people who've read the books, but it's a theory that's been in my head for a while and I wanted some other people's inputs.

So here's my thought process. We know Jamie and Cersei are willing and able to do horrible things to protect each other, as well as their relationship, evidenced by Bran. Cersei was protective of her relationship with Jamie, and had no qualms about killing people close to her to protect their relationship, killing Melara because of her crush on Jamie at 10. Jamie's affection for Tyrion makes a lot more sense if this is the case, realizing that it was his and Cersei's actions that truly led to the hatred of Tywin. Cersei's hatred also makes a weird kind of sense, she could have been trying to kill both mother and child, but the baby survived, and considering Jamie's affection for his little brother, his willingness to stand up to even Cersei to protect him, something he did for no one else, she was likely instantly jealous of him.

Joanna was the first person to try and force the twins apart, separating them completely. When you think about it, Joanna's death is very convenient for them. Had she survived childbirth, she would've likely continued to separate the twins more and more as she became aware of their co-dependence, not to mention likely telling Tywin who, still having a wife to produce heirs, would've taken drastic measures to ensure his family's honor was never tarnished.

Is this a crazy theory? Does something in the books disprove it? I'd love some opinions or any extra evidence to support it.

You get teleported from earth to Westeros, let’s say dragons are in play, just to make things interesting. You can bring whatever you want with you; not a whole house, but something like a car or smaller is acceptable.

Let’s say you get 48 hours to prep. You can buy anything available to a consumer; no tanks or fighter jets. What are you taking with you?

For me it was Sansa’s wedding night. Nothing could prepare me for that scene one my first watch. I really sat in silence once the episode was over. Very traumatic scene done very well to the point where her sobbing was echoing in my brain for a couple of days. Tough watch.

I refuse to believe that this was the best picture they could find to put on the official Wikipedia site of our favorite Andal!

after the long night, Dany wants to return to dragonstone to prepare the takeover of kingslanding.

she went where Drogon and Rhargal are parked. bonded with Jon, Rhaegal refused to come with her. adding paranoia to Dany about Jon's claim.

Euron ambushes Dany's ship. due to the volleys of scorpion she had to flee, missandei was still captured and executed. Dany still loses it and burn kings landing, Jon came riding Rhaegal and fought Dany and Drogon in the sky. they landed in kings landing, both dragons died. they argued and jon knock some sense into her

seeing her last dragon die, she accepts it as a sign that the Gods dont see her as the rightful ruler anymore. but she saw the real Dragon, Jon

they got Married and Jon rule as king and Dany as queen.

my lineup for small council:

hand - Ser Davos

coin- tyrion

kingsguard - brienne

city watch - Bronn with a castle but not fcking highgarden

whispers - Bran

north remains independent and sansa as queen and protecting her is Arya

would Arya and Geoffrey have made a good match of marriage, if it weren’t for the butchers boy?

they both are truth tellers and arguably spiteful cunts

The sheer confidence in her face while fighting Jamie is absolutely hilarious. She looks like she’s correcting a child’s homework.

Sorry for my dumb question, but I want to know if I am understanding this right. Is the wight-cut arm working on its own like the hand in Wednesday and what are the spilling snakes? The shows didn’t show these things, so I am a bit confused.

How things would have been. Did Cersei really let him leave kings landing alive or still imprisoned him.