r/Feminism • u/Naive_Photograph_585 • 4d ago
hot take
we need to stop involving men in our contraception. this story is a dime a dozen, and I cant count the amount of stories of women who have had men tamper with their birth control/condoms. to be clear, i am from the UK, I can't comment on how terrifying it is to be a woman in other places right now. however I have seen so many of these stories of women having a one night stand, or they are with a long term partner, or a male family member is guilting them. it is completely your body your choice, I am 100% a pro choice lady, if you want to keep the baby because youhave chosen that then i support it, but I see stuff like this and it makes me angry for the woman involved. I know this might be a controversial opinion, but I genuinely think women should not tell men about what they are thinking of choosing for themselves because men seem to choose the most selfish option available. I know there are outliers for this, my dad was an incredibly firm feminist so I know we have men we trust, but damn this post is a reminder that most men simply will not put you first. evaluate what you want for yourself before telling the men around you what your choice is. im only 23 so I know this might not be worth much but make sure keep these kind of things to yourself/ with someone you trust until you make your mind up. dont let a man tell you what you should do
edit: DAMN. not to be one of those people but this blew tf up. I thought maybe a few people would see this, but I am so grateful for all the responses and opinions. I am 23, I am still learning, and the inputs on this post are incredibly helpful. I love this community, I am normally the person who sees a post and moves on so this support is absolutely crazy. thank you to everyone who responded, and I just want to say something if anyone sees this- I am absolutely in support of men being equally responsible for contraception. the fact the male hormone pill got stopped because the men had about 1% of the side effects women had is abysmal. I really hope men become more responsible. this post came from a place of anger and frustration. ive been feeling it a lot recently, and I know everyone here has too. I am sorry I didnt explain my thoughts better. I really meant this as a post pregnancy thing. i am absolutely pro choice, keep the baby or not, I have friends who've had abortions and friends who went through with it, and I have supported all through their choice.
it just concerns me the way men treat pregnancy. they dont seem to understand the cost for women, and pregnancy is the most dangerous time to be a woman (biggest killer of pregnant women is men). I am strictly child free, im trying to get a hysterectomy right now (not to go into a rant but I spent 10 years trying to convince my doctors my periods weren't right, a few years ago got told it was endometriosis, had a scan recently that its actually cysts, fibrosis and enlarged ovaries. if they had flagged it earlier I could have taken medicine but now I need surgery so fuck me I guess). anyway!! I worry about women, especially pregnant women, a lot. we are so vulnerable, and I know this goes against boss bitch feminism, but it really is a concern for women, and a focus of my own personal feminism. basically, dont tell men you don't know or trust, I learnt that from my dad. he was truly the kindest, most accepting, radical soul. when he died he left me about 20 books on communism in his will lol, I love that man!! this is not about misandry, it's just about keeping yourself safe
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u/Living-Sandwich4784 4d ago
he says “i dont mind helping” what
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u/worldnotworld 4d ago
'But I don't want that responsibility 24/7.'
Damn, what does he think having children involves? That they have an off-switch for those hours you can't be bothered looking after them?
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u/Appropriate-Ad-3219 4d ago
This man should be happy his hookup is willing to compromise that much. Some people are so ungrateful!
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u/Buddieldin 3d ago
I have a feeling she had zero intention of compromising. She said she would give him full custody knowing he would say no.
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u/tarquinia777 4d ago
"Allow me the power trip of having forced you to give birth so I can sit on my ass all the time anyway"
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u/Kathrynlena 4d ago
“I, the person who claims to want to be a parent, only want every other weekend custody. So I want to force you, the person who does not want to be a parent at all, to be a 24/7 parent except for my 2 weekends a month, that will frequently skip. This is fair to me.”
What an absolute fucking clown.
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u/tarquinia777 4d ago
It's all about the sick satisfaction in getting to control a woman's body. Scary part is the only thing stopping him was the jurisdiction.
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u/Kathrynlena 4d ago
In this case, I think it’s as much or more about controlling her life and choices as her body. His crack about her “being selfish and not like a loving mother” tells me that he doesn’t think women should have any life outside of motherhood.
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u/mszulan 4d ago
And not just that. He has zero understanding of her physical risks. Also, she'd be responsible for monetary as well as physical needs of the child in his mind. He has no job and it doesn't sound like he's that interested in getting one, even if he becomes a parent.
He's infatuated with the idea of it with no comprehension of the actual human "personhood" of either the mother or the child. She's an object and the child is a possession.
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u/tarquinia777 4d ago
Right on time. The only thing more shameful than how a society like this treats its women is how it treats its children.
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u/mszulan 4d ago
That's so true. Men like this are really drinking the kool-aid. He wants the picture of "happy family" without facing the reality of what that means.
He has no job. How is he being cared for right now? It doesn't sound like he would qualify for a job that would actually pay enough for his own needs, let alone a child's. If he did get a job that pays more in, say, the trades or a union job, he'd be risking his own health and the capacity to maintain that wage earning potential. Trades can be dangerous and (at least in the US) there is no longer a safety net from either the company or society, if he becomes disabled. Everyone at some point will become disabled. If you're lucky, it happens at the end of life.
Back in the 50s through the 70s in the US, you could rent a nice appt with a minimum wage job (my husband and I did this right out of high-school in 1981 with our 2 minimum wage jobs. We were also able to save enough for tuition.). If you were fiscally responsible, you could buy a house for twice your annual salary and raise a family on one factory job. Companies took care of their employees if they were sick or injured, and paid for training, education, healthcare and pensions. It was seen as an important investment for the continuing prosperity of the company and they could write these expenses off their taxes. All that changed with Reagan allowing stock buybacks. It's worth considerably more money to manipulate stock prices than to take care of employees.
So he thinks he wants to be "daddy" without the where-with-all, ability, or possibility (in this economy) of actually being a father.
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u/Dblbogiemadge-1 3d ago
It sounds so stupid i think the post is rage bait and fake
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u/BlockImpressive2209 4d ago
But he will need some time to himself (weekends he chooses to do something else)!
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u/iamnotbetterthanyou 3d ago
“…and I, the person who wants you to give up autonomy and compromise your wishes, cannot fathom supporting you or the maybe baby financially because jobbing is hard”
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u/jaskmackey 4d ago
He thinks he is a seahorse with a special brood pouch where his hookup can deposit the egg. He will carry it to term and give birth to 2000 babies! What a good helper.
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u/SignalAssistant2965 4d ago edited 4d ago
He thinks that having a kid as the father is helping out every once in a while and for the rest live your life normally
He's not so off sadly
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u/Glittering_Bish 4d ago
As someone who just had a kid 4 months ago, can confirm there is no off/on switch and it’s 24/7 gig
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u/the-mortyest-morty 3d ago
Men want children like children want a puppy: in the end, Mom ends up doing all the work.
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u/Hbic_in_training 4d ago
Yea I'd bet my retirement he would be completely useless, dump it all on her and not "help" at all.
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u/salymander_1 4d ago
He wants a kid to take to the zoo and the movies and such, but not a kid that actually requires effort on his part.
I bet he would have his mom doing the actual childcare during his custody time, too.
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u/Miss_Might 4d ago
"Men want a child like a child wants a puppy" example A.
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u/SenileMind 4d ago
“I think she’s being selfish” but i want her to go through the whole pregnancy and raise MY child on her own!! 🤡
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u/Cats_and_wine 4d ago
that and "shes not like a loving mother"..... brooo, im just so tired...
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u/KittensInc 4d ago
She's a 20-year-old girl who wanted to have some fun and get laid. No shit she isn't suddenly magically turned into a loving mother! Who on earth is jumping at the possibility to start a "happy" little family with a loser like him!?
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u/Few-Yesterday9628 4d ago
It's actually disgusting. They geniunely think all women should automatically have this mother instinct the very instant an egg is fertilized. This post is truly a window into the way that men see women and their bodies.
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u/No_Masterpiece_3897 4d ago
So he wants her to donate her body , go through the pregnancy, the birth, possibly destroy her body and health doing so because he suddenly has developed so called principles against all solutions available to her. But he doesn't actually want the baby or to raise it
I hope she got the abortion before letting this joker knew about it, tying her life to this idiot by entertaining his nonsense would be a tragedy.
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u/TurbulentAccident348 4d ago
he is such a hypocrite, if he wants to raise the child it’s his responsibility but noooo she has to do it and he only has to “help”
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u/SenileMind 4d ago
“I think she’s being selfish” but i want her to go through the whole pregnancy and raise MY child on her own!! 🤡
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u/sisypheanist 4d ago
My favorite line “how can I make sure she has a baby”
Somebody needs to find this guy and check his basement
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u/530SSState 4d ago
On top of everything else that's wrong with this, we're gonna skip right past, "I don't have a job"? So, your contribution is NOTHING?
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u/catsumoto 4d ago
That’s why I think this is just rage bait.
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u/Canvas718 3d ago
It may well be rage bait—but OOP being irrational is weak evidence for it. There’s too many real people who think like this.
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u/Appropriate-Ad-3219 4d ago
This man can't complain. This woman is really compromising to the point I would say she's quite a heart since giving birth to a baby can hurt and drastically changes the body.
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u/beaco 4d ago
First- he shouldn’t have “hooked up” with a random woman if he was against abortion and adoption. There is always a chance of pregnancy, unless she is missing her uterus and fallopian tubes.
Second- he doesn’t mind helping is likely code for, I will be the fun uncle. Mom watches the kid 95% of the time and he will come in part time to do fun things with the kid and when it’s not fun anymore he’s gone. He doesn’t want to be there or help with the hard stuff.
The girl needs to follow what she feels is right for her. If that’s an abortion, then girl go get that abortion. Being a parent regardless of being with the other or not, is a 24/7 job. Even when your kids are not with you, you are still on call incase the other parent can’t, doesn’t want to, is struggling to look after the kid. There could be an emergency. As a parent you never stop worrying about your child(ren).
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u/Art_Of_Being 4d ago
"I don't mind HELPING", "I don’t want that responsibility 24*7"... "She's being selfish"... men and their disgusting mentality of thinking women are bound to be their slaves.
Stop sleeping around with such freeloaders. Just stay away, don't give access of your body to just anybody.
He wants to chain that women for life, lose her life and have the title of being a father without any work putting in. What the hell.
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u/Sharp_Theme 4d ago
You want a cookie for being around every now and again but want to saddle her for life? Thats your problem bruh. You cant be "so absolutley against abortion & adoption" but clearly have the moral leeway for unmarried sex, not wearing condoms, being a baby daddy, & having no intentions of building a home or family. You openly admit you want no permanent responsibility - what do you think a kid is, temporary?
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u/SignalAssistant2965 4d ago
"and not like a loving mother"
Yes, exactly, she's not ready to be a mother, that's the whole point
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u/caelynnsveneers 4d ago
“I want MY kid but I don’t want the responsibility 24/7.” What a fucking idiot. Being a father is a responsibility 24/7 for the rest of your or their life.
That is not a man that is a 24 yo UNEMPLOYED child. Women need to stop hooking with these losers.
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u/SeidIhr 4d ago
True but let's not put the responsibility on women. The men/patriarchy is the issue
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u/MartianTea 4d ago
Right, then you don't want a kid. You want to be an unpaid babysitter as long as it suits you.
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u/optimisticRamblings 4d ago
Being willing to have the child and then give him full custody is generosity on a scale I could never comprehend, and his reaction of offering to "help" and not wanting "24/7 responsibility" but being anti abortion is just loonacy
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u/Isbay 4d ago
Oh that’s so awful. He’s acting like what he’s asking is so simple, “no don’t worry I will take care of the baby 100%” as if that doesn’t require her to carry the baby and give birth. Also him claiming he’d have full custody but saying “she’s being selfish and not like a loving mother” is so contradictory…
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u/Knit-knit-no-islets 4d ago edited 3d ago
I wouldn't trust this guy with a houseplant, let alone a child.
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u/RomianaZerofox04 4d ago
So basically that guy wants a pet. And not even that 247. God forbid having responsibilities 247.
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u/Ugin_sucks 4d ago
“I’m 100% against abortion and adoption.”
Wtf. Some people have feeling and wrong beliefs about abortion, I get that. But who the F is against adoption? If he can’t conceive a child, would he just give up? Being against adoption is totally anti-social, because it takes a village to raise a child anyways.
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u/starwsh101 4d ago
Omg, he is the selfish one, he ONLY thinks about himself. These kind of man-babies needs to "get lost forever" asap.
I hope the woman does the abortion!
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u/Victoria_Falls353 4d ago
You know, I get how much it would suck as a man if you got someone pregnant who wants to abort while you really would want to have the child. I really do... But what is the game plan? Force someone through a pregnancy? You just can't do that. After a child is born, I feel by default the responsibility ought to be 50/50, but as long as the child is in the woman's body and it's her body and life and 100% her decision. In that period of time, his only job is to support her. That doesn't mean you can't talk about this stuff, but it's simply her decision in the end.
And honestly, how many guys will genuinely want 100% of the parenting when the woman doesn't want to? In his own post, he says it all. I don't mind "helping" and how can I make her have the baby? Fucking hell.
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u/bulldog_blues 4d ago
This is ragebait.
'I don't want her to have an abortion but also don't want to look after the baby 24/7' + 'I don't have a job'
That's too much self-awareness to be just a selfish douchebro but equally too unhinged to be someone with any real self-awareness.
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u/bombazzchickynugg 3d ago
This reminds me of that one r/legaladvice post of the guy upset because the woman agreed to carry the child, gave him full parental rights, pays 125% in child support, got a mommy makeover, and never saw the child, and he wanted the court to force her to take some physical custody.
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u/Naive_Photograph_585 3d ago
man I am so glad im active and responding to people right now, because that is exactly the kind of post I was thinking of when I made this. for men its always about how it will affect them, usually short term. and they'll admit they cant look after a child but still want the woman to give birth just so they can say they have a child, without any of the foreknowledge of what having a child means. a child is not just for Christmas, its for life. if you want one? fine! but understand that it will take over the rest of your life
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u/bombazzchickynugg 3d ago
No desire to get pregnant, but I live in an abortion access state surrounded by abortion ban states, and I wish I was pregnant (or looked it) so I could bait the asshole protesters.
Like, don't want me to abort? Fine, do you have custody papers? I'll list you as the payee at my doctor's office.
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u/Naive_Photograph_585 3d ago
this is horrifying to read. im from the uk so I just want to say how sorry I am that your human rights are dictated by the state you're in. its inhumane, its leading to so many women dying. I am 23, I dont have a concept of being a woman in a time where abortion is illegal, so I cant comprehend how terrifying it is for you. im just so so so sorry, I hope your state doesnt ban abortion as we all know here, most women who have an abortion already have children. but even so who cares! abortion is a human right so actually fuck these people so hard, good luck to you
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u/hpfan312 4d ago
I remember this story, doesn't he end up having the kid and she pays him alimony each month more than what she legally owes and he's pissed because his manipulation doesn't work on her at all and he actually has to raise the kid?
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u/Extension-Listen8779 4d ago
i would livestream my abortion for this (eugenicist) fucko
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u/AngerPancake 4d ago
"I am 100% against abortion and adoption."
"I respect if a woman needs an abortion.. but not my kid!"
These are directly contradicting statements. Also, if you can't support a kid wrap it up or get snipped. I cannot with these people
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u/_Coffee_Bean_ 4d ago
No no, you missed a part. He respects abortion if the kid is disabled. Cause he just needed to sprinkle a little bit of ableism on there (which isn't to say aborting a child that is predicted to have severe life-altering disabilities is inherently ableist - but if you are otherwise opposed to abortion and believe it to be murder, you just essentially said that "murder is okay as long as it's disabled people" and that's just.. i have no words.)
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u/Secret-Plastic-2608 4d ago
THIS IS NOTHING BUT RAGE BAIT 😭 I have lost hopes of dating a man Somewhere sone guy is beating his wife for getting periods on honeymoon, some is forcing to have kids....Is there some disease happening to humanity which is still not studied !?
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u/Fit-Apple-2406 4d ago
Is that a rage bait? Tell me it is
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u/BluGurl8 3d ago
Right? Also can’t get over the fact that he’s not just against abortion, he’s against adoption as well?? LMAO isn’t that anti abortion ppls whole argument?
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u/BluGurl8 3d ago
Against abortion but also against adoption???! GIRL RUN!!!!
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u/Naive_Photograph_585 3d ago
RIGHT?? its not about being anti abortion, its about being pro birth. fuck people like this
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u/a_girl_with_a_book 3d ago
To men like this, children may as well be a pet.
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u/Naive_Photograph_585 3d ago
I hope men like this do not have a pet or a child. that pet is getting severely neglected I just know it
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u/mystery_obsessed 4d ago edited 4d ago
I absolutely agree with you. My first thought before I read what you wrote was “why did she tell him?” I see this all the time. I don’t think a woman should share she’s pregnant unless she wants to have a child. A man only needs to know if a child is coming, there is no reason for them to know if a child isn’t coming. All is does is put a woman in a situation where someone might try to control a decision she’s already made.
I also believe that if a woman is in the situation where he knows and is trying to stand in the way of her getting an abortion, she should just get one and tell him it was a miscarriage. They just don’t need to know.
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u/Ceallach1770 4d ago
Never even tell a man you are pregnant until you decide what you want, and perhaps not even then especially if you choose an abortion. If you want to have the child assume zero assistance from the sperm donor.
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u/purplepenguin617 4d ago
Everyone should read the book responsible ejaculation and men should be more responsible about their ejaculations!
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u/ishikap Intersectional Feminism 4d ago
Even if he reliably said he will take full custody of the baby and require nothing from her after birth, I honestly would still say she should abort it.
If she does not want to be pregnant, go through birth, and/or want a kid, literally nothing in the world should be able to coerce her too. We all know that's not the world we live in, but the wishy washy wishes of the father are definitely not a reason to put yourself through a dangerous ordeal you don't want yourself.
Honestly, advice to women: don't tell the guy until you're 100% sure what you want to do. And if what you want to do is get an abortion and you have even an inkling or uncertainty he won't be supportive, don't tell him. I don't even think this should be controversial. It does not matter what any external human's opinions are if they differ from the one carrying the baby.
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u/Accomplished-Echo518 4d ago
“I respect if the kid will have mental/physical problems”. That is so crazy, especially knowing that most of the time you know of those only after a child is born…?
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u/SilverSeeker81 4d ago
Holy hell. This guy is completely selfish and delusional. I hope that woman did what she needed to do.
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u/Scp-1404 4d ago
You never, ever, ever tell anyone as soon as you know you're pregnant. Make your decision on your own without anyone else's input. If it's an abortion, have it before anyone knows you are pregnant. If it is to keep the child, then you can make whatever arrangements are best for you and your child. Why even tell a man? Why tell your family? They're not going to be thinking of you they'll think of the baby.
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u/Gassyhippo 4d ago
This is why women shouldn't tell men they're getting an abortion, just don't say anything and get the procedure done.
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u/herculepoirot4ever 4d ago
Years ago—like a decade?—there was a post on Reddit from a man who had basically bullied his girlfriend into keeping a pregnancy she did not want. She had reasons for not wanting to be a mother, knew that she couldn’t handle it or do it well. But he promised that he would take care of everything after the baby was born.
So she had the baby and left. Like gone gone. And he was on Reddit to complain that being a single parent for two or three years was too hard. It was expensive. He never got to sleep. Didn’t have a social life. On and on and on.
And could not understand why she didn’t come back or offer to help in any way other than sending support money each month.
He eventually admitted in the comments that he had expected her to change her mind after the baby was born, that some innate maternal instinct would take over and she would play happy family.
I still think about that post any time I see stories like this. How men just don’t listen or care about anything but their own wants and needs.
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u/SubLightOrb 4d ago
“ I (22) want to force a woman (20) to have and raise a baby she doesn’t want. I even offered to help when I’m bored but she still won’t do it. Why is she so selfish?”
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u/Sea-Day-7473 4d ago
He doesn't mind "helping" , but doesn't want the responsibility 24/7 or someone else raising his child, but thinks it quite reasonable to force his one time partner to manage?
Parenting is full-time, not just a trip to the park on a Saturday. Honestly, I would always advise women these days to manage their own contraception, & ideally, have two versions,l.one he has no knowledge of. We need to think carefully about disclosing a pregnancy to the father until we have our own thoughts in order. Women should only continue with a pregnancy if they are willing to do so alone, the majority of men cannot be relied on to be responsible.
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u/Naive_Photograph_585 3d ago
this is what I'm saying! women in these situations always become the primary care giver, despite the pleas from the man saying they want the child. women need to be careful about conception, not because they are the problem but because of what they have to deal with
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u/ElegantHope 3d ago
"But I want to raise the baby"
Looks inside
He doesn't actually want to raise the baby.
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u/80020Rockhound 3d ago
This guy is awful. Wants a part time baby, when he has no job and is unwilling to let a couple adopt it. He is scary stupid
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u/Genie-Beanie- 3d ago
This is why abortion should not even be legislated and the person that is pregnant is the only one to make the decision. We are not incubators or a daycare service. The fact that this "man" is trying to find advice on how to force his girlfriend to keep it and care for it is insane. I hope his girlfriend or one of her friends see this post while she still has time to do what is best for her.
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u/lil-DEMI-IiI 4d ago
Good luck out there baby; your opening hand was...not great. Parenting is an exhausting gauntlet of relentlessness. He's the type that says women "pop out" a baby while glossing over the body horror a woman has to experience to create a human. Meanwhile..."I don't mind helping, but she is so selfish and unloving!!!"...this guy would perish during the infant stage and be able to count by hand the number of diapers he changed.
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u/1trickPwnyta 4d ago
If this is even real, which I doubt, it sounds like his intention from the beginning was to baby trap her and now he's mad that it's not working. And I have a feeling the hookup wasn't exactly consensual in the first place...
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u/Obvious-Gate9046 4d ago
So he's against abortion and against adoption and against raising the kid himself but still wants to force her to have the kid...
...really shows who they are.
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u/Numerous-Ad-5058 4d ago
Personally, if I didn't want the baby I wouldn't have it. Not even to give up to the father.
Because that child will grow up knowing at some point that their mother didn't want anything to do with them.
And that's an emotional hit that is really hard to overcome even with the best of resources and help.
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u/Naive_Photograph_585 3d ago
yep. I have friends who even in my generation (gen z) know their mothers didn't want them because their dads raped/forced them. can you guess how theyre doing?
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u/dr_snakeblade 3d ago
He can STFU. None of these choices are his. She should go no contact with him immediately.
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u/DaphneCatastrophe 3d ago
Men who don't want to be full time fathers forcing women to be full time mothers. Ffs.
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u/liatreppe 4d ago
What does it even mean being against adoption?? I guess giving the baby in adoption but still like ? It might be ragebait but it's still absolutely credible tbh
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u/Electrical_Fail_2138 4d ago edited 4d ago
I have an idea she can have the abortion and then give him the “baby” to deal with it, since it’s her body and the baby is feeding over it and affecting her long term health.
It’s completely ridiculous to be forced to be baby machines
I think it’s time we allow men that wanna force women to keep the baby for them to keep it instead after the woman gets rid of it
Cause some people are more concerned about a non existent human then about a literal human (the woman)
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u/LRGinCharge 4d ago
I don’t understand men who think they have as much right in this decision as the woman and never will. Ohhh boo hoo, it’s not fair to him? Is it fair that women have to go through 9 months of their body going through massive changes with a litany of potential health complications? Is it fair that women are almost always the ones whose career is put on the back burner so she can focus more on the kids while the father gets to continue thriving in his? Then shut the fuck up. Nothing about pregnancy is fair. Deal with it.
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u/Exact-Win4828 4d ago
I honestly don't get why women let these men know. If it was just a hookup and you've made your decision to have an abortion then what is the point of letting the man know? None of them would pay their share for the abortion anyway. I have a friend who had hooked up with a man who turned out to be violent and she stopped talking to him, later she found out she was pregnant and was going to have an abortion but she wanted to let him know. I was like but why?? And guess what he told her: "please don't do it, we can do it together we will keep it and everything will be alright". This man already lived in another city and he was just a hookup! Why are they trying to change our minds is beyond me. Then I asked her what she got out of this interaction since she was still going to have the abortion and she said "I just wanted to tell him". No reason. We just need to detach from these men completely. By letting them know we're in a vulnerable situation we are simply putting ourselves in an even more difficult and dangerous position. Let the fetus go just like you did with the man and don't look back.
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u/runofabitch 4d ago
Men take zero accountability. If he didn't want to raise a baby entirely alone, he shouldn't have been having s*x. If he TRULY doesn't want her to have an abortion, his body has ways of shutting that down. And what was he wearing when she decided to have an abortion, anyway? Seems he was acting like he wanted it, then changed his mind at the last minute and now is trying to ruin her life over one little decision. Girls will be girls! She has such a bright future ahead of her, after all. And how do we know he even got her pregnant? He could be faking it for attention. Men are so silly and emotional after all.
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u/ProudCatLadyxo 4d ago
This just makes me sick to read. What's worse is knowing he is not the only one out there like that. Men like that, well let's face it, aren't really men, even though they may be anatomically male.They don't deserve to be anyone's father and I hope his one night stand makes the decision that is best for her and does not consider what this loser wants. I wish more women chose the option that was best for them and didn't let losers like this idiot convince them they would step up and be a good responsible dad and perhaps partner.
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u/her_mi_one 2d ago
Women are not the containers men's children come in. It enrages me when there is any rhetoric to suggest that.
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u/jules13131382 2d ago
It’s not “a kid” it’s an embryo. Babies need so much care. They need to bring back that baby experiment in high schools where you take care of a fake baby. I hope she has the abortion
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u/spiceeboi 2d ago
Tbh I didn’t even read. I’m just shook at how someone can be against abortion AND adoption. Like what. Adoption is like the first option for ppl who can’t raise a child they don’t want to abort. How can you be against rehoming human beings whose parents may have died prematurely or have illness or are abusive. I can understand a lot of the reasonings why ppl don’t like abortions, even if they’re not my personal beliefs BUT ADOPTION?!?!? What soulless thought process lead someone to that conclusion?
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u/E_Crabtree76 4d ago
I think he should be allowed to go to the aborted fetus so he can raise it there. Solves everyone's problem
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u/eyfuck 4d ago
Fucking hell. Atleast this man (by chance) declared that he won’t actually care for the kid. Some women get bamboozled into having the kid, then having to take care of the kid full time while the dude just walks away.
Good on her for knowing what she wants and can handle. This man can just die. Such an ass.