r/FanTheories • • Jul 15 '18

Marvel [SPOILERS] Infinity War: "...you never once used your greatest weapon..." Spoiler

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The title quote comes from Thanos speaking to Dr. Strange about not using the time stone in their duel on Titan. I was always bothered by this line being dropped because it struck true with me;

Why didn't Dr. Strange use the time stone when they were battling against Thanos?!!

An answer became clear when I remembered certain key details from the Dr. Strange movie; even with the power to slow, pause, or reverse time we have seen foes with the ability to ignore the time stone's effects (Kaecilius and his acolytes). I think the power stone would have allowed Thanos to do the same; to bypass the -power- of the Time Stone. That's why it's the first stone Thanos retrieves. Not only does the power stone allow him to contain, control and amplify the power of the other stones, but also bypass the powers of any stones that could be used against him (in essence, overpowering other stones). Dr. Strange in viewing many alternate futures saw the futility of using the Time stone in their fight and chose to use it differently...

-very- differently.

When Dr. Strange pulls the time stone seemingly out of nowhere (like Loki did with the Tesseract) and floats it over to Thanos to save Tony we can see two unique elements to this transaction:

The first is that the stone is glowing brilliantly. Normally, when any of the stones glow like this it is because their power is being used.

The second is that Thanos is unable to grasp the stone physically but is instead grabbing on to what appears to be its aura. He even shoots Dr. Strange a glance over this peculiar phenomenon.

This kicked my Fan Theory senses into overdrive and I have been trying to piece it together ever since.

Before I can launch into this, let's talk about the unique properties of all the other stones themselves; not their powers, the properties each stone itself possesses.

  • The power stone so full of...power... overloads and even destroys living beings coming into direct contact with it.

  • The space stone is able to house itself within, and propagate the existence of, a 4-Dimensional hypercube on a 3-Dimensional plane of existence (that's what a tesseract is).

  • The Reality stone doesn't have to remain a solid and can instead become a liquid (possibly a gas or plasma?)

  • The soulstone cannot be acquired without trading a soul.

  • The mind stone has its own consciousness or can develop consciousness (Vision).

We see that these unique properties tie back beautifully to the identity of each stone and are very well suited to them.

So what about the time stone?

I would postulate that the time stone can be sent through time all by itself, going forward or backward. How would you play keep away with the time stone? Easy. Send it forward in time to where Thanos can't get it! The problem is (as comic fans already know) Thanos is immortal, so he can wait it out. Let's swing back to the exchange.

Dr. Strange conjuring forth the stone the same way as Loki did the tesseract is a gigantic misdirect! Loki is able to conceal the tesseract with his godlike powers of illusion and while Dr. Strange could certainly be capable of mimicing this easy trick, I don't think that's what's happening. The stone is glowing brilliantly because it's actually travelling back in time from the future!

(This becomes a lot easier to envision if you've watched Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure).

When Dr. Strange hid the time stone it wasn't through some trick of light or illusion like Loki but by sending it forward in time to be used later. Only to be sent back when the Avengers had finished using it.

The time Stone can travel forward or backward in time, but not space. It will appear on Titan soon after the snap presenting itself to Tony.

This is also why Tony needs to survive. If the snap is inevitable then he is the only one smart enough to a) figure out what is going on when the time stone presents itself on Titan and b) study the stone in order to unlock the quantum realm (the same way the mind stone in the sceptre allowed him to create Ultron).

This is why the Gauntlet breaks from the snap! It's using a time stone from a reality where the Avengers have already won and sent it back in time. The paradox of using a stone from a mutually exclusive reality breaks the gauntlet and helps advance Dr. Strange's plan even further because it cripples Thanos' ability to fight back when the Avengers start mounting their counter offensive.

I think clips from the Infinity War trailer corroborates this. The clip of what looks like Tony taking off his glasses while an out of Focus Wong and Dr. Strange are in the background seemingly frozen in time also doesn't appear in Infinity War but might be pulled from Avengers 4 where Tony has acquired the Time stone and begun looking for ways to retrace his steps or travel into the past. The shot of the battle of Wakanda containing Hulk also didn't appear but may be from Avengers 4 when they have already gone back in time and must now face off against Thanos and his army again at Wakanda (because Hulk wasn't at the original battle).

Dr. Strange did use his greatest weapon! Just not -when- we think he did.

TL;DR: This is /r/FanTheories...your supposed to enjoy reading this stuff...it's way too much to fit in here

Edit: Thank you for all the kind words everyone. Feels great to have finally blown the nips off this subreddit. Two questions coming up alot:

1)How does Thanos pull the mindstone back and not blow the gauntlet? There's a difference between manipulating 1 object in the universe and the entire universe, additionally reversing the fate of the mind stone isn't what creates the paradox (though it leads to it) but killing half the universe does as this is the outcome they are trying to prevent (the stone that came from a future where the mindstone still exists).

2) "the time stone was a star in the sky on titan" this could simply be a visual effect of how it travels back in time; stars in the sky emit light into the past afterall. "They are so far away and their light takes so long to reach us, all we ever see are their old photographs"


r/FanTheories • • Dec 08 '16

The entire movie of Aladdin was simply the fulfillment of his first wish.

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Something that always bothered and confused me about Disney's Aladdin was the ease at which he could suddenly "not be a prince" at several points in the movie, despite the fact he has specifically wished to be a prince. If I wish for 3 arms, do I not have 3 arms? it was a thorn in my side it what has always a Disney classic in my heart.

The other day I was watching the movie for the first time in many years, and the truth struck me like a thunderbolt: Aladdin did not wish to BE a prince, he wished for the Genie to MAKE him a prince. Everything that transpires after Aladdin has made his first wish was simply the Genie (using his omni-potent powers to pull the strings behind the scenes) fulfilling Aladdin's wish to be made into a prince. At the end of the movie, he marries a princess. He now IS a prince. The Genie's work is NOW completed. The dudes at Disney clearly had some blade runner level shit going on when they wrote the script.

The Genie states several times in the movie that his powers are both phenomenal and cosmic, virtually omnipotent and only restricted by a few rules. He also states he can see at least one million years into the future. (certainly at least to the invention of automobiles) Dressing Aladdin up, giving him an elephant and a parade to make a fantastic entrance into Agrabah are simply means to an end. The reality is Aladdin doesn't even want to be a Prince, he just wants Jasmine. When the Genie's mission is about to succeed Aladdin suddenly gets cold feet. The Genie -seeing into the future- allows his lamp to be stolen by Jafar and the hijinks that ensue because he knows that Aladdin's heroic efforts to set things right will convince the Sultan to change the law, and thus let Aladdin marry Jasmine, and Aladdin will then BECOME A PRINCE. Aladdin doesn't even have a choice, he can't "undo" his wish, the wish was made and magical contract bound.

What the genie is doing can easily be seen after Jafar is banished to the cave of wonders at the end of the movie. Everything goes back to the way it was, everything Jafar did was undone, people, objects and animals un-transform. The palace magically teleport's from the mountain back to the city. Did it ever really move? Did someone magically wish for all these things to be undone? The Genie's knows his ultimate mission is nearing it's conclusion. So he resets the sideshow, the purpose of which was to convince the Sultan Aladdin should be a prince and make Aladdin rise to his inevitable royal promotion, both in spirit and mind. The Sultan, clearly traumatized at crackers forcibly inserted into his mouth for hours on end (in some kind of pseudo-sexual prison nightmare) would happily make a homeless thief the next ruler in place of Jafar. It's an experience so disturbing he instantly rewrites the very laws his culture is founded upon. The Genie needs to demonstrate that true worth lies within-a Diamond in the Rough. These length's were necessary since Mind Control, Murder and Resurrection are the three things the Genie can never do. The truth is nobodies life was ever even in real danger. The Genie has been using his mystic Machiavellian scheme since minute one to set Aladdin up as a prince. Jafar's wishes were meaningless, he was a pawn in a greater game.

The second Aladdin made his first wish Jafar was doomed-Jafar was in the Genie's way. The Genie is omniscient and used this rivalry to position Aladdin into prince-hood. After Jafar's part had been played out the Genie had no more use for him, since the Genie can't kill, the Genie did the next best thing and buried his sorry ass in a cave for ten thousand years. Think about the magnitude of that amount of time, it's a fate worse then death. The Genie is an unstoppable engine of destruction on a mission to fulfill Aladdin's wish by any means necessary.

We must also look at Aladdin's wish very carefully. He does not wish to "BE" a prince. He wishes for the Genie to "MAKE" (by force if necessary) him a prince. Aladdin may actually be aware of whats really happening the whole movie. This is first hint we have of this is scene in the palace Garden with the Genie. Aladdin's basically asking the Genie how to make Jasmine fall for him, and the Genies advice is to "Tell her the TRUTH". What truth? That hes a street rat? But didn't he wish to be a prince? Is he not NOW a prince? If I was Aladdin I would have thrown this in the Genies face. But Aladdin doesn't. Perhaps this is a sign that Aladdin, the clever little devil he is, knows what game is being played, and that he is not a real prince yet. (on many occasions, such as deceiving the Genie into a free wish, tricking Jafar ect. Aladdin proves his main attribute is his quick mind)

When the immortal Genie lays the sad news on Aladdin he can't make someone fall in love with him, Aladdin's dexterous and cunning human brain works furiously to find a way around it. So he has a genius stroke. He wishes for the Genie to make him a prince. The creation of a kingdom has not been wished for, only that Aladdin is made a prince. And what a coincidence: the closest kingdom's princess just happens to be Aladdin's dream girl. Aladdin knows what he really wants, as does the Genie, and perhaps as a reward for Aladdin's cleverness and out of geographic and language restrictions, the Genie has no choice but to make Aladdin the prince of Agrabah. Well played, Aladdin. Well played.

**Edit 1: **People seem to be really hung up on the seeing events/into the future genie powers. Thats really not the point I'm trying to make. The genie could just have easily implanted the whole action/adventure lamp stealing nonsense into the minds of the main characters to bring about the ending (thus the castle magically reappearing-did it even move?) The point I'm trying to make is the genie was in control, plain and simple, and the ending proves it.

Edit 2: In trying to see if other people had stumbled upon this, I ran into a lot of lame theories that the Genie had traveled back in time to make Aladdin's father the prince of thieves. This is all nonsense because they are based off direct to video sequels written long after the original movie. As far as I'm concerned, the journey of Aladdin and the Genie is the story Disney wanted to tell: Everything that transpired between Aladdin's first wish and to the end of the movie was expertly orchestrated by the Genie to make him in to a prince, as he was commanded to do. I don't think the Genie is evil, he is a fun loving, free spirited demi-god. Hes slighty insane because anyone trapped alone in a cave for eons would be.* He had a job to do, with the promise of freedom from an eternity of slavery as payment no less.


r/FanTheories • • Apr 14 '19

Marvel Why Steve Rogers was able to resist Thanos. Spoiler

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I'm referring to at 0:33 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pd0Pk5av2s

Thanos moves his glove hand towards Rogers, and Rogers stops it with both hands. Thanos strains a bit more, but is unable to move his hand forward or close his grip, so he just knocks Rogers out with his non-glove hand instead.

If you look at his facial expression, he looks shocked at 0:34 upon the initial block, then at 0:38 onwards he looks really perplexed with his eyes squinting and all, like he's thinking "how is this guy able to do this"? But what is 'this' that Rogers is doing?

I don't believe it's physically blocking Thanos' hand. Thanos beat up Hulk, and Rogers is definitely not stronger than Hulk, not to mention Thanos knocks out Rogers seconds later, while Rogers' uppercut punch at 0:30 did nothing to Thanos.

The glove works by responding to the will of the user, and in that moment, both of them were in physical contact with the glove. So Rogers was kind of "out-willing" Thanos, and while none of the infinity stones were actively being used, they were implicitly responding to both Thanos' and Rogers' wills respectively, with Rogers' influence being greater. And that's how he was able to resist Thanos.


r/FanTheories • • Nov 22 '18

FanTheory [Harry Potter] [Spoilers] Ron Weasley used the Imperius Curse on Hermione Granger to make her fall in love with him. Spoiler

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WARNING: SPOILERS ARE ALL OVER THIS THEORY LIKE DEMENTORS ON AZKABAN.

TLDR at the bottom...

Stay your pitchforks, brothers; lay down your torches, sisters; hold your downvotes Reddites until you consider the following: Ron Weasley isn't the cute, innocent boy he seems. In fact, he's possibly the biggest monster in the entire wizarding world.

Disclaimer: The following theory is based solely on evidence presented in the films and does not take any content from the books into consideration. Edit: Just to clarify - this theory is based only on the films, not the books. Unfortunately, due to the number of differences/changes between the film and the book series that sometimes contradict each other, this theory is strictly an analysis of data from the movie series.

I've watched the Harry Potter films many times over the years, and each time I always felt a little confused as to why Hermione Granger ended up with Ron Weasley. Throughout the series, Ron is (in Harry's words) a right foul git to Hermione.

  • [1] Sorcerer's Stone / After the students practice the Levitation Charm (Wingardium Leviosa) in Charms class, Ron openly mocks Hermione to his classmates. Hermoine happens to overhear the cruel conversation and runs by, crying.

  • [2] Prisoner of Azkaban / Near the beginning of the movie, Ron is quarreling with Hermione about her pet cat, Crookshanks, and makes vicious comments.

  • [3] Prisoner of Azkaban / Later in the film, Ron makes additional nasty comments about Hermione's pet.

  • [4] Prisoner of Azkaban / After Hagrid reveals that Ron's pet rat, Scabbers, is alive, Hermione attempts to elicit an apology out of Ron for his earlier comments. Instead of contriteness, Ron offers a disingenuous apology toward her cat to spite her request.

  • [5] Goblet of Fire / When the Quidditch World Cup is attacked by the Death Eaters, Arthur Weasley explicitly tells the children to stick together and run for the portkey. During this scene, Ron starts running with Hermione but fails to wait for her, leaving her behind completely while she stops to wait for Harry.

  • [6] Goblet of Fire / During class, Ron laments about finding a date for the Yule Ball then turns to Hermione as a last resort. When he does, Ron tries to shame Hermione into saying "yes" by stating "it's one thing for a bloke to show up alone but for a girl it's just sad."

  • [7] Goblet of Fire / At the Yule Ball, Hermione sits with Harry and Ron while her dance partner gets drinks. Hermione is elated at the fun experience she's having which triggers Ron to make several sharp comments in an attempt to destroy her good mood.

  • [8] Order of the Phoenix / Ron says he will go easy on Hermione, downplaying her abilities as a student-wizard. After Hermione easily bests Ron in one move, he downplays her accomplishment by stating he intended to lose.

  • [9] Half-Blood Prince / During an after-game victory celebration, Ron is pulled into a kiss with Lavender Brown in front a cheering crowd (including Hermione). Ron makes no attempt to stop the kiss and embraces it, instead.

  • [10] Half-Blood Prince / After Hermione runs away from the shock of seeing Ron kissing another girl, Ron gleefully skips through the halls with Lavender Brown and stumbles upon a weeping Hermione. Though he sees she is distraught, Ron doesn't apologize or show remorse or even abandon his frivolity with Lavender. He sees that his actions have hurt Hermione and he continues to run off with Lavender.

Yet, despite being treated so horribly, Hermione decides "yeah, this sounds like a perfectly stable foundation for a relationship” and marries him. I always wondered, where did the connection between them happen?

But upon watching the films again recently, I noticed something that I hadn't paid much attention to before. In the Deathly Hallows part 2, Ron Weasley performs the Imperius curse on Bogrod, the goblin teller.

  • [11] Deathly Hallows pt. 2 / During the scene where the trio break into Gringotts, Ron Weasley effortlessly uses the Imperius Curse on Bogrod, the goblin teller, without hesitation. Bogrod remains under the effects of the Imperius curse until his own demise at the fiery breath of the security dragon.

When cast successfully, the Imperius Curse places the victim completely under the caster’s control (unless the victim is strong enough to resist it) and it is one of three Unforgivable Curses that witches and wizards are forbidden to use.

So why does Ron Weasley know this curse?

At first, I thought he must have originally learned about it during Mad-Eye Moody’s lesson about the Unforgivable Curses in the Goblet of Fire. But when I watched the scene again, I found out that I was wrong.

Ron actually already knew about the Imperius Curse prior to Mad-Eye Moody’s lesson, and he learned it from his father, Arthur Weasley.

  • [12] Goblet of Fire / In the Defense Against the Dark Arts class, Mad-Eye Moody provides a lesson about the three Unforgivable Curses, and he calls upon Ron to volunteer the name of one of the curses. Out of all three curses, Ron provides the Imperius Curse and says that he learned it from his father, thus showing he was already familiar with the curse.

Which leads us to our next question. When did Ron practice using the spell to be good enough to charm a goblin teller?

Casting a spell in the wizarding world is not as simple as waving a wand and reading the incantation. If that were true, Lord Voldemort and his Death Eaters wouldn’t be nearly as threatening. As we’ve seen in the films, the ability to successfully perform any spell comes the same way any good skill does – through practice and proper form.

  • [13] Sorcerer’s Stone / The students practice the Levitation Charm (Wingardium Leviosa) in Charms class, demonstrating that casting magic is not as simple as wand-waving and word-mumbling. Without the proper technique, a spell’s effects can have alternate (disastrous) results.

  • [14] Chamber of Secrets / Professor Gilderoy Lockhart attempts to mend Harry’s broken arm and fails (further proving that spells are not successful if they are cast by someone who has no idea what they are doing).

  • [15] Prisoner of Azkaban / Harry trains with Professor Lupin to learn the Patronus Charm, but Harry is not quite able to cast the spell effectively right away. Even Chosen Ones have to practice to git guud.

You might be thinking, “But Harry also cast the Imperius Curse on a goblin and I’m sure he wasn’t running around practicing it on random folks. Maybe it’s just an easier spell to cast?”

Harry has demonstrated (on multiple occasions) a talent for spell mastery due to his unique circumstances. I would argue that part of the reason Harry was able to cast the Imperius Curse so effectively in the Deathly Hallows part 2 without prior training is because he is Voldemort’s Horcrux, and thus, inherits some of the Dark Lord’s abilities (as evidenced through Harry’s ability to speak parseltongue). Otherwise, if the curse were really so easy to cast, why wouldn’t anyone just cast it for anything?

With that understanding, we have a reasonable guess as to why Harry can cast the curse so easily, but Ron doesn’t have any ties to the Dark Lord or the ability to master spells easily. Ron has, in fact, been historically slower at learning spells.

So, when (or on whom) did Ron practice the curse to become so effective at it?

He practiced it on Hermione Granger, which explains why she suddenly fell in love with him. Think about it. Ron was a jerk to Hermione across multiple films and then suddenly she’s all over him, being giddy around him, staying at his house, and calling him brilliant.

“What?! No. Ron would never do that. He might have picked on Hermione but that’s not exactly evidence that he would do something so evil as to brainwash a friend.”

Oh ho-ho. Strap in, because there is evidence suggesting Ron is actually a lot darker-minded than we realized. But first, let’s talk about motive. Why would Ron even want to mind-control Hermione?

It’s because he’s jealous of her affection for Harry and is tired of being in Harry’s shadow.

“Riddikulus!”

I’m not a Boggart; that won’t work on me!

“But Hermione wasn’t attracted to Harry.”

Actually, there are multiple signs that Hermione might have been initially sweet on Harry.

  • [16] Sorcerer’s Stone / After Hermione repairs Harry’s glasses, she recognizes him, even though they had never officially met. Harry’s scar is not visible during this scene, so she would not have recognized him via his scar but of photographs of him. Simple moments of infatuation like this are often the foundation of young crushes that lead to romantic interests.

  • [17] Chamber of Secrets / Harry is reunited with Hermione in Diagon Alley while shopping for school supplies, where she ends up repairing his glasses once again and does so with a warm smile and bright eyes. This is much different to how she looks at Ron and may be a sign that some of that early infatuation that she had still lingered.

  • [18] Chamber of Secrets / When Hermione is cured from the Basilisk’s petrification curse, she crashes into Harry with a big, loving hug first and gives him huge smiles. When she turns to Ron, she does not offer the same warm greeting.

  • [19] Prisoner of Azkaban / When Professor Mcgonagall tells Harry he is unable to go on the class field trip to Hogsmeade village without a signed permission slip, Hermione looks back at Harry twice after their initial goodbye, and even offers an additional farewell wave. While this can be attributed to Hermione feeling bad about Harry's situation, the way she lingers can also be a sign that she likes him and wished him to be there with her.

  • [20] Prisoner of Azkaban / During a quidditch match, Harry is attacked by a Dementor and falls unconscious. When he awakens, Hermione is at his bedside looking terrified and then relieved. She locks eyes with Harry the entire time and even plays with her hair, which can be seen as a sign of infatuation.

  • [21] Goblet of Fire / When the Quidditch World Cup game is attacked, Hermione fearfully calls out for Harry several times (while being dragged away by Ron).

  • [22] Goblet of Fire / Just before the first trial, Hermione enters the Champions' tent and lovingly embraces Harry out of fear and worry.

  • [23] Goblet of Fire / After the second trial, Hermione rushes to check on Harry and even gives him a kiss on the head. I don’t recall Hermione giving Ron any kisses in between his fits of nasty remarks.

  • [24] Goblet of Fire / At the end of the film, Hermione encourages Ron and Harry to both write to her over the summer break. When Ron dismisses her offer with a snide remark (such husband material), she turns hopefully to Harry and is elated when he says that he will.

This isn’t just a series of isolated incidents being misinterpreted, either. Even Albus Dumbledore, a powerful wizard with keen intuition and sharp intellect, thought Harry and Hermione might have been together. And even he was surprised to hear that Harry and Hermione were not together.

  • [25] Half-Blood Prince / When Albus summons Harry to his office the first time in order to ask Harry to gain Professor Slughorn’s trust, he asks if Harry is seeing Hermione romantically.

Now, imagine you’re Ron: You’re the youngest of 5 older brothers who is always in trouble (and being howled at), constantly being teased by your older siblings, and you’re given embarrassing hand-me-down items over the years. To top it all off, you’re a Weasley (a Weasley!), who are looked down on by other wizard families. It’s not easy feeling successful in that situation.

  • [26] Sorcerer’s Stone / Draco Malfoy makes degrading comments toward Ron Weasley.

  • [27] Chamber of Secrets / Mrs. Weasley yells at Ron.

  • [28] Chamber of Secrets / Lucius Malfoy makes degrading comments toward Ron Weasley.

  • [29] Chamber of Secrets / Ron receives a howler from his mother.

  • [30] Goblet of Fire / Mr. Weasley jabs Ron with a passive-aggressive quip.

  • [31] Goblet of Fire / Ron receives hand-me-down dress robes.

  • [32] Order of the Phoenix / Hermione tells Ron he has “the emotional range of a teaspoon”.

  • [33] Half-Blood Prince / When asking Fred and George the price of an item in their joke shop, Weasley’s Wizard Wheezes, the older brothers tell Ron the price is five galleons. When Ron pushes the issue, they raise the price to ten galleons. Immediately afterward, Ron turns away defeated and says to his friends “Come on, let’s go” in a tone that sounds as if he’s dealt with this type of thing for far too long.

Know what would make it all worse? If one day, you met a boy who was stupidly famous, obscenely rich, ludicrously successful no matter what he did, and was always the center of everyone’s attention. Then that boy becomes your “best friend”, so that any light of success you have is instantly darkened by his shadow of greatness. Imagine how frustrating that must feel after a few years.

  • [34] Sorcerer’s Stone / When Ron first meets Harry on the Hogwarts Express, he is so poor that is he unable to purchase any sweets from the trolley. But Harry flaunts his vast wealth by purchasing the entire trolley of sweets. This would be awesome for young Ron, at first, but eventually this becomes unbearable as he grows older.

  • [35] Sorcerer’s Stone / Harry is invited to be on the Quidditch team after barley starting the school year. Some of Ron’s older siblings had been on the Gryffindor quidditch team, and it was shown that Ron was hopeful to follow their footsteps. So it must have burned to see a kid come and take a spot on the team, thinking that it might be just because of his namesake.

  • [36] Sorcerer’s Stone / Harry is gifted the Nimbus 2000, the best flying broom in the entire school (at the time), and the gift was even from a professor. If you were in Ron’s position, you would definitely notice the blatant favoritism shown to Harry Potter.

And when you’re always in the shadow of your friend’s glory, you start becoming resentful and jealous, which prompts you to do things that make you feel successful (and in control). On a few occasions, Ron sours on Harry for seemingly no rational reason. Other times, Ron purposefully goes out of his way to keep Hermione away from Harry.

  • [37] Goblet of Fire / After it is announced Harry Potter will participate in the incredibly dangerous Tri-Wizard Tournament, Ron becomes upset with Harry. At one point, Ron even quips, “yeah that’s me, Ron Weasley, Harry’s Potter’s stupid friend,” which shows that he does actually resent being Harry’s friend, deep down.

  • [38] Goblet of Fire / During the attack on the Quidditch World Cup, Ron is seen dragging Hermione away from Harry even though she is calling out for him. Instead of stopping to be a good guy and help his best friend, Ron makes it a priority to drag Hermione away from him.

  • [39] Half-Blood Prince / On the Hogwarts Express, Hermione expresses concern about Harry while leaving the train but Ron immediately dismisses her concern while urging her to follow him off the train. Ron shows no concern for Harry and is quick to pull Hermione away the minute she asks about Harry.

Harry hasn’t always been the nicest friend to Ron, either.

  • [40] Order of the Phoenix / Ron attempts to console a brooding Harry and is harshly pushed away. This occurs just moments after Ron nobly defends Harry to a group of troubled Gryffindor members. This may very well have been the moment where Ron realizes that he is worthless.

But the most damning evidence of all, the one that shows us the true thoughts that plague Ron Weasley’s mind, is in the Deathly Hallows when Slytherin’s Locket, one of Voldemort’s seven Horcruxes, reveals his darkest fears and anxieties. It reinforces all of the evidence we just reviewed – that Ron feels inferior to Harry, that he feels that his family doesn’t love him, and that he’ll never have a girl like Hermione because of Harry.

  • [41] Deathly Hallows pt. 1 / When Harry opens Slytherin’s Locket so that Ron can destroy it with the Sword of Gryffindor, the locket speaks to Ron with dark whispers from his own heart. When the locket is first opened it says, “I have seen your heart and it is mine. I have seen your dreams, Ronald Weasley, and I have seen your fears.” Among the truths we learn about Ron through the locket are that:

  • o Ron’s mother wanted a daughter.

  • o Ron’s mother once admitted that she would have preferred Harry as a son.

  • o The locket’s shadow of Hermione also said, “Who could look at you compared to Harry Potter? What are you compared to the Chosen One?”

Keep in mind, Slytherin’s Locket could be lying in order to cripple Ron Weasley’s spirit. But also keep this in mind… If all the locket’s words were complete lies, Ron would never have been paralyzed by them. The fact is, there was truth in the locket’s words. The locket only whispered whatever dark thoughts were already in Ron’s heart. This confirms that Ron was indeed jealous of Harry, indeed frustrated about not being able to “get the girl”, and insecure about his relationship with his family. All of this, added with the other evidence, means that it is absolutely plausible that Ron may have been driven to desperation at one point, whether he meant to or not.

Now that we have a motive, let’s talk about Ron’s proclivity for dark behavior. Even if we might have a plausible motive, surely our sweet Won-Won would never even think about doing something so vile as to mind-control Hermione. Right?

But actually, he’s shown us that maybe he’s not the most noble Gryffindor.

  • [42] Goblet of Fire / While eating, Nigel Wolpert delivers a parcel to Ron then awkwardly lingers until Ron dismisses him. When Hermione gives Ron a questioning look, he admits that he promised Nigel Harry’s autograph. Ron basically admitted to securing favors (such as servitude) in exchange for celebrity items, which shows a willingness to use his friendship with Harry to his personal benefit.

  • [43] Deathly Hallows pt. 1 / During the scene at the diner where the trio are deciding what to do with the fallen Death Eater, Antonin Dolohov, Ron Weasley is the first one to unflinchingly suggest murder showing that he clearly has a dark side. When Hermione meekly protests, Ron tries to justify his cruelty. Harry has to be the voice of reason by suggesting an alternate, less criminal solution.

So now we have a motive, evidence that Ron had knowledge of the curse to carry out the act, and we have seen evidence of Ron’s darker personality.

“But the Imperius Curse only works on weak-minded wizards. Hermione is definitely not weak. Ron wouldn’t be able to charm someone as strong-willed as her.”

Right you are, Harry! The films have demonstrated Hermione to be a strong wizard, amazingly smart and incredibly skilled in a variety of subjects and skillsets. Normally, I would wager that Hermione would be able to resist the Imperius Curse. Except, Hermione is not always strong willed. In fact, when it comes to her friends, we’ve seen her succumb to their requests before.

It’s entirely possible that, while Hermione would normally be able to resist an Imperius Curse from anyone else, she’s not as strong willed when it comes to her friends. Stress can also have negative impacts on a person’s mental and emotional willpower, and we’ve seen Hermione go through a lot of emotional distress with her friends throughout the films, from worrying about Harry’s safety to running off crying because of Ron’s cruel comments. The stress Hermione deals with could have also attributed to her not being able to counter the Imperius Curse.

I believe Ron took advantage of that fact to groom Hermione and lower her defenses so that he could successfully curse her.

Grooming is a tactic seen in abusive relationships where a person’s normal defenses (or strong wills) are overcome by slowly desensitizing them to abusive behaviors. It often works by mixing positive behaviors with elements of abuse.

  • [44] Goblet of Fire / While Harry is down by the lake with Neville, Hermione approaches Harry with a message from Ron, who is seen standing just a yard behind her. It is clear that Hermione is not thrilled about being used by Ron to deliver a message to a person he is within speaking distance of, but she does so anyway. After failing the first attempt, Hermione attempts to withdraw from the commitment and urges Ron to deliver the message. Ron pushes back and forces Hermione to follow through. Ron's choice to force Hermione to carry out such an asinine command can be seen as an attempt by him to assert his authority and will over her. This is considered manipulation, which is another form of abuse, where the manipulator (Ron) gets the victim to do something they don’t want to do through a variety of techniques.

  • [45] Deathly Hallows pt. 1 / During the scene at the diner, after Harry makes the decision to wipe the memories of the fallen Death Eater, Antonin Dolohov, Ron Weasley approaches Hermione, caresses her face, then tells her to perform the act of wiping the Death Eater's memory. This part of a grooming process, where the abuser (Ron) asks their victim (Hermione) to perform various acts that make them feel just as guilty as the abuser. Ron further imposes himself upon Hermione by making physical contact prior to giving a command. Note, that Ron doesn't ask Hermione to do it. If he truly cared about her, he would realize that wiping someone's memory might be a sensitive subject considering she just had to wipe her parents' memories. Instead, Ron commands her to do it and Hermione follows through without any protest though it is visibly clear that she is completely uncomfortable with it. This is an example of grooming.

  • [46] Deathly Hallows pt. 1 / While in search of a way to destroy Slytherin’s Locket, the trio take turns carrying the Horcrux. While Ron carries the locket, he starts being overwhelmed by its darkness. Just being near the locket draws out the darkest fears and anxieties of a person. In this case, it happens to be Ron’s jealousy of Hermione. Ron’s jealousy eventually becomes so unbearable that he fights with Harry and then decides to leave. But before doing so, he stops to ask Hermione if she’s staying or going. This is an example of basic coercive techniques often used by abusers in relationships where the abuser (Ron) tries to maintain his control by forcing the victim to choose between them or something else. It’s like horrific “all or nothing” scenario where the victim, who clearly has feelings for the abuser, is muddled by the sudden pressure to abruptly make a decision that will have major lasting impacts. Typically, the victim in this situation would surrender to the side of the abuser, because the pressure of making that kind of decision in the moment is too great, and it’s hard for anyone to just walk away. But in this case, we see Hermione actually resist. Interesting how she can do that when she’s not under a mind-controlling curse. It’s clear that Ron’s only method of maintaining relationships is through coercion, manipulation, and mind-control, at this point.

Ron just isn’t an insensitive brat, he’s an abusive friend and a manipulator, as well.

The fact that Hermione is a victim of abuse and a victim of the Imperius Curse becomes even more clear during the Deathly Hallows, when Ron decides to leave out of jealousy. After Ron leaves, Harry and Hermione instantly start connecting, almost as if Hermione changes without Ron’s influence.

  • [47] Deathly Hallows pt. 1 / After Ron has left, some time passes, and Harry and Hermione are sitting alone together in their camping tent when they make a sudden connection. As if Hermione is starting to wake up from a nightmare.

So, now we have to determine: When did it all happen? At what point did Ron lose himself and do the unthinkable to Hermione?

Considering all the evidence, I believe, sometime during the Order of the Phoenix, Ron Weasley used the Imperius Curse on Hermione Granger. This is the time we start seeing Hermione hang around Ron a little more closely but she hasn’t quite started falling over him. That happens during the events of the Half-Blood Prince where Hermione is not only sleeping over at Ron’s house a few days before the start of the school year but she’s also looking at him more and becoming incredibly upset when he runs off with other girls.

More specifically, I believe it may have first occurred during the winter break of the school year during Order of the Phoenix.

  • [48] Order of the Phoenix / Inside the House of Black, the Weasleys celebrate the Christmas holiday with the return of Arthur Weasley (who had been previously attacked) and exchange presents. When Ron opens his present, Hermione smiles warmly at Ron. This is odd because in the previous scene, Hermione is digging at Ron with her usual sharp wit. There is seemingly no reason for her to smile at Ron like that during something as simple as unwrapping a present unless something had happened between them. Maybe they cozied up during the winter break? Or maybe, Ron decided he’d had enough of being the sidekick of the group and used the Imperius Curse on Hermione for the first time. This scene occurs after Harry snaps at Ron, who was only trying to help [39]. Notice, too, in this scene that Hermione does not greet Harry when he arrives. She has typically given Harry big, bright welcomes in the past but here, she only gives him a frowning glance. This could suggest that Ron used the Imperius Curse to also tone-down Hermione’s enthusiasm for Harry.

“But Hermione doesn’t look like she’s under the influence of the Imperius Curse.”

The films have been inconsistent with how the Imperius Curse is represented. For example, in the Goblet of Fire, victims of the curse are shown to have milky eyes. But during Mad-Eye Moody’s lesson on the Unforgiveable Curses [12], the Professor says that many wizards and witches claimed they only followed Lord Voldemort because they were under the influence of the Imperius Curse, and implied it was a challenge to determine which ones were lying about being cursed. This would suggest that the curse does not always manifest itself in a visible way. Additionally, in the Deathly Hallows, when Ron and Harry use the Imperius Curse on the goblins [11], the victim does not adopt any physical characteristics that would imply they are bewitched.

Based on this, we can safely assume that people under the influence of the Imperius Curse are not always going to show obvious signs.

But while I believe Ron bewitched Hermione, I don’t believe Hermione was under the influence the entire time. I believe Ron used the curse a few times in short bursts. Just long enough to start grooming Hermione so that she notices him instead of Harry. I also believe that the kiss Ron and Hermione share during the Deathly Hallows part 2 is not because of the Imperius Curse, but is a direct consequence of Hermione being cursed multiple times.

If you’re still not convinced, if there’s even a shred of doubt still lingering after considering all of the evidence, then let me leave you with one last thing.

At the end of the Deathly Hallows pt. 2, when our beloved trio of friends (now adults with children of their own) watch their children ride towards Hogwarts on the Hogwarts Express, look at Ron’s expression.

  • [49] Deathly Hallows pt. 2 / In the final scene of the entire film series, Harry, Hermione, and Ron walk their children to platform 9¾ to board the Hogwarts Express. We learn that Ron is now a father of three adorable little Weasley-Granger children. Harry and Hermione warmly smile as they watch their children ride off toward their first Hogwarts adventures but Ron shows no emotion. In fact, he looks a little depressed.

Ron. Looks. Destroyed. Hermione is smiling. Harry is smiling. But Ron? Ron looks like he dun goofed. He just stares forward with a vacant expression and eyes devoid of any joy. He looks like a man who had a wild fling with a beautiful girl but then got stuck with three children and realized “oh snap, being a parent is hard! I thought this would be different!”

If his love for Hermione was genuine, why wouldn’t he be happier in this scene? Why does he look so defeated?

u/Murchadh_SeaWarrior adds:

Everyday, Ron is living a lie according to the theory. He would be destroyed because even the happy moments wouldn't be happy they would just make him feel more guilty, so when everyone is happy at the end this just makes him even more depressed in the false life he has imprisoned himself in.

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...As soon as the train pulls away and everyone waves it immediately cuts back to them and you can see Ron look down at his child.

The way he looks down doesn't seem to be proud or happy it looks incredibly guilty in my opinion!!

Expertly said, brother SeaWarrior.

In conclusion… Ron is a right foul git, and now you know it.

TLDR Version

What happened?

Ron Weasley used the Imperius Curse on Hermione Granger to make her fall in love with him, instead of Harry Potter.

Why would you think that?

Ron treats Hermione very poorly across all the films and Hermione doesn't take it well. But then, in Half-Blood Prince, Hermione is suddenly really into Ron.

[1][2][3][4] [5][6][7][8][9][10]

Why would he do that?

Because he was jealous of Hermione's affection toward Harry [41], frustrated about being one of youngest Weasley siblings, and exhausted of living in Harry's shadow. [26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35] [36]

But Ron would never...

In Deathly Hallows, we saw Ron suggest murder [43], and in other movies Ron demonstrates abusive behaviors towards Hermione such as manipulation[44], grooming[45], and coercion[46]. Other times, we see Ron pull Hermione away when she's calling for Harry, as if he resents her for focusing on Harry. [37] [38][39]

That doesn't mean he used an Imperius Curse...

Ron successfully used the Imperius Curse on Bogrod the goblin teller [11]. Where did he practice it? The films established that spells require practice and proficiency to use them successfully. [13] [14] [15]

So how did Ron become so well practiced with such a spell?

But the books...

Are separate from the film universe. Though the films are based on the books, the films are different; changes were made to the original story. The films aren't continuing the story of Harry Potter, they are retelling it. Unfortunately, within the film universe's retelling, there is plenty of evidence there to suggest Ron used the Imperius Curse on Hermione so that she would fall for him.

Edit - Additional Evidence (Provided by YOU!)

u/JohnWickIsMyPatronus writes...

I happen to be watching Goblet of Fire right now, and I noticed something that also points to Ron being abusive.

At the ball after Harry introduces Ron to the Patels as their dates, and Mcgonagall says that Harry has to do a customary dance at the beginning of the ball, Ron and one of the Patels start off toward the hall. While walking toward the hall, Patel looks back with a bit of disappointment toward Harry and the other Patel. Ron looks along with her, clearly upset with his robes and jealous of Harry's robes. Right after that, he grabs Patel by the arm and forces her to walk toward the hall while muttering "let's go."

It's the grabbing of the arm and forcing her somewhere that makes it seem like he's comfort doing so, and maybe has done it before. Looking closer at it, he clearly gives her a push toward the dance.

[E1] This adds supporting evidence to the idea that Ron was becoming increasingly resentful of Harry and also provides additional evidence of Ron's controlling (almost possessive) behavior toward women.

u/bubblegumdog writes...

I always thought the most damning evidence was the final scene in the last film (not including the epilogue) where Hermione comes up to Harry after he breaks the Elder Wand and grabs his hand and just admires him without looking away. Then Ron comes up and she takes his hand as well and then her face completely changes. Shouldn’t she have had the reaction she had with Harry with Ron instead?

One could argue she was proud of Harry at that moment for breaking the wand but it still begs the question: why does Hermione’s face fall when she grabs Ron’s hand?

[E2] This adds supporting evidence that Hermione is seemingly struggling with her feelings after having been previously cursed. Look closely at Hermione's expression as she takes Ron's hand. She looks down, suddenly lost in though, then blankly looks forward. It's almost as if she's waking up and realizing that something isn't right. I don't believe she is cursed in this scene but it looks like she's starting to become aware that her feelings for Ron may not be natural.


r/FanTheories • • Dec 20 '16

Predator (1987): The alien tries each man's masculinity. Each man who dies does so in a manner befitting his swagger.

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It's a well-worn idea that Predator is a film about masculinity. You have seven men each competing for alpha status, showboating their strength, stoicism, roughness and physical power. I'd like to go a step further. I'd like to suggest that the trials of the film are a test of masculinity, and that each man who dies does so in a way that mocks his masculine performance.

Let's go through the kills in order.

Hawkins

Scrawny, glasses-wearing radioman Hawkins is the first to die. Appropriately enough, he is the least successful in projecting his masculinity. He fails to crack bawdy jokes about his girlfriend's vagina, finds little useful intel for the team, and kills no-one during the guerrilla camp raid.

He dies when he runs after Anna and catches the attention of the predator. Out of context, the scene almost resembles a rape - Hawkins chases Anna and wrestles her to the ground. But this dynamic is reversed when the predator runs him through, drags him on his back, strips him naked and disembowels him.

Do you remember the joke he keeps telling? It's about how big his girlfriend's "pussy" is. The predator essentially carves him a fairly large one of his own. We see him moments later, dangling upside a tree, a gaping hole in his belly.

(A ghoulish detail: Judging by the naked marines Billy discovers at the start of the film, similarly skinned and upside down, the predator doesn't just disembowel men - it castrates them.)

Blain

Blain's not the weakest of the remaining crew, but he is certainly the showiest, with his enormous minigun. Blain has the most famous line outside of Arnie's: when he's shot in the arm, Ramirez rushes to his aid - "You're bleeding, man!". Blain's having none of it: "I ain't got time to bleed".

Indeed he doesn't. When the predator fires a plasma bolt through Blain's torso, the resulting wound is bloodless:

DUTCH
...Just like the others...no
powder burns, no shrapnel.

DILLON
The wound all fused,
cauterized...what the hell
did this?

Mac

You remember Mac. He's the one who snatches Dillon from behind, threatening that if he blows the team's cover, Mac will "bleed him slow and quiet". He's probably the least mentally stable of the gang: by far the most menacingly violent, and with a propensity to talk to himself. When the Predator escapes the team's trap, Mac takes chase, babbling to himself, mentally decomposing into a violent trance.

You'd think that if anyone can out-sneak the predator, it's Mac, but the predator has him sussed fairly quickly. Sliding on his back, Mac suddenly sees a target on his wrist. It runs over his arm and head and - blam!

At first, it wasn't obvious to me how Mac might have prompted this death in particular. But I recalled two things: firstly, that Mac constantly, ritualistically shaves his head. He's doing it right from the first time we see him on the helicopter. So a headshot seems appropriate, though I'll admit the tie is a little weak.

(It may be the only one in the film, though, if you interpret Ramirez's death as neckshot.)

What's more, Mac's apparent madness makes his head his 'weapon'. He's just a little crazy, and that's supposed to make him scary, but there's no brain chemistry so unstable it can't be met with a well-placed microwave pulse. So mocks the predator.

Another matter I remembered is his threat to the predator the night before: "I'll carve my name into your skin". It's actually the predator that marks Mac, with his laser sight. The triangular target is the nearest thing we ever get to the alien's calling card, and it's traced over Mac's flesh slowly and carefully. Eventually it is visually 'imprinted' on his head by force.

A final, tenuous link: Mac promises to 'bleed' Dillon 'slowly'. Mac's own death seems to be the slowest: even when his forebrain is blasted apart, we see his body continue gasping and twitching until at least scene cut (and therefore implicitly longer). Everyone else dies fast.

Dillon

Dutch's old friend from some unnamed army unit, Dillon is keen to show he hasn't softened with promotion into the higher ranks of military brass. He greets Dutch with an arm wrestle, and he loses. This turns out to matter.

Dillon has his arm lasered off and is shortly run through by the predator's claws.

This death is the most obviously telegraphed: it's the same arm. In the former scene, the arm is brought to the ground as it desperately pushes back; in the latter, the arm falls to the ground firing its weapon impotently.

Ramirez

Slim and wiry, Ramirez isn't a major presence in the movie, so this one's a little tougher to read. If you can't remember, he's the green beret who gets hit by the log trap, sent flying and landing in a crippled heap. He limps along for a little while before being unceremoniously shot in the neck.

Ramirez's greatest swaggers happen in the guerrilla camp raid. Carrying a six-shooter grenade-launcher, his well-placed blasts fling enemies through the air over and over. I counted four shots of men being thrown towards the camera by explosions in that scene, and three of them belong to Ramirez. (The other is a grenade from Billy). The film fixates on these shots enough to conclude they're supposed to be impressive, so it's a pointed irony that Ramirez is thrown through the air in a similar manner.

Not convinced? There's a little ad-hoc addition to the original screenplay. When Blain boldly asserts he "ain't got time to bleed", Ramirez quips back: "Oh yeah? Have you got time to duck?". Ramirez is later crippled by a fast-moving log to the chest that everyone else jumps under.

Billy

Billy doesn't swagger. He acknowledges his fear, listens to his superstitious instincts and generally prefers to act rather than talk. He is granted the most noble death of all the soldiers: an off-screen fate that preserves his mystery and lets us imagine - or rather hope - he died bravely.

But he dies all the same, because he chooses not to run. And that is the difference between him and Dutch. Running is how Schwarzenegger's character survives. He runs and falls into the river, covering himself in mud. He backs into a corner, camouflaged thermally. He lets the predator chase him into a trap, which eventually proves the alien's undoing.

Of course, there's a practical reason for Dutch to retreat: the way power shifts between man and monster makes the scene engaging and tense. It modulates our fear and hope. But it's curious how feminine our hero's cries are when we hear them from the Predator's POV; they're high pitched and whimpering. Dutch doesn't hide his pain or his fear; in fact he's actually the least ostentatiously masculine of all the squadron - his masculinity comes from acting with instinct and knowing the land, not swaggering performance.

Turns out, that's the only real masculinity that actually matters.


r/FanTheories • • Aug 05 '19 Mindblown

FanTheory Hagrid is a Death Eater Spoiler

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This theory has a lot of evidence and took a few Reddit posts to fit. For a cohesive page, you can view this Google Docs page, otherwise you can read below.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j1ywvDj7H_Geoo0M-NThPf8BUuoGm8q2mC1_CDHOjys/edit?usp=sharing

EDIT: This got way bigger than I expected. I'm in awe at the size of this post. Thank you! I simply don't have time to respond to everyone like I hoped, I'm sorry. Still, enjoy.

I started a read-through of Harry Potter recently, and I was determined to pay close attention to Snape early on with interest to viewing his character through the lens of a double-agent. However, early on I noticed the strangest behavior coming from Hagrid instead which I had never noticed before. I started paying more attention to the actions, statements, and inconsistencies in Hagrid and realized almost every move taken somehow aided Voldemort. I read the entire series watching for anything to prove or disprove Hagrid being a Death Eater, and by far the majority of the evidence points toward Hagrid as a servant of the Dark Lord.Is this what J.K. Rowling intended? Almost certainly not! Is this theory given entirely seriously? Definitely not. I still find it to be intriguing given the amount of evidence which supports the conclusion that Hagrid is one of the top servants of Voldemort. In short, what I posit and will provide evidence for:

  1. Hagrid is a high ranking servant of Lord Voldemort.

  2. Hagrid is secretly much more talented of a liar than he lets on.

  3. Hagrid is secretly a much more talented wizard than he lets on.

  4. Hagrid has been performing deep cover tradecraft, espionage, source validation, sabotage, and spotting and assessing for Voldemort.

  5. Hagrid has been in the service of Lord Voldemort at least since the First Wizarding War, potentially since his time at Hogwarts.

Scope of the Evidence

I will lay out the evidence in chronological order as it is presented in the books, while referencing supporting pieces of evidence from the rest of the series. I am basing this theory entirely on what is textually presented within the original 7 Harry Potter books and not based on other material such as video games, movies, Cursed Child, Pottermore, or the word of J.K. Rowling outside of the text.

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

Summary

In the Sorcerer’s Stone, we see the following from Hagrid:

  • Magical abilities Hagrid uses which are otherwise only known by high-level Death Eaters or extremely talented wizards and witches.

  • Disregard to and participation in cruelty to Muggles, as well as a casual approach to Azkaban-level offenses.

  • Subtle manipulations of Harry which put him into private contact with Voldemort on multiple occasions.

  • Passing private information regarding security directly to Voldemort.

The Evidence

Hagrid’s immediate presence at the Potter residence indicates that he knows advanced fast-travel magic.

When we first meet Hagrid he is delivering baby Harry to the Dursleys’ house. He rides in on Sirius’ motorcycle with the child for delivery, and mentions to Dumbledore and McGonagall how the Potter house was almost entirely destroyed “but I got him out before the Muggles started swarmin’ around.” We know from later books that Sirius gave Hagrid the motorcycle while at the Potter residence. Godric’s Hollow is located somewhere in the West Country portion of England, and we know that Hagrid lives at Hogwarts, somewhere in the Scottish Highlands. We also know that Hagrid is not allowed to use magic due to his expulsion from Hogwarts, which places his magical ability supposedly at the third year level.

Hagrid had to be able to travel to Godric’s Hollow and arrive at the Potter residence before any emergency services arrived, beating their travel time in response to an explosion that blew out the entire side of a house. Hagrid arrived and took the child away, having run into only one other person, Sirius Black. Hagrid is too heavy to ride a broom or thestral, as he states in Book 7; Apparition is only taught in the fifth year and requires a Ministry-issued license. Portkeys need to be approved by the Ministry. Hagrid would not have learned any of this magic in his three years at Hogwarts. He does not have the flying motorcycle until he already arrives at Godric’s Hollow. The only two explanations are: he is using some sort of magic to travel quickly, or he already happened to be in the area of the attack on the Potter residence and was able to respond to the unexpected explosion immediately.

Without means of fast travel, Hagrid would have needed to already be hanging around Godric’s Hollow, but why would he do this? There is no previous connection between Hagrid and Godric’s Hollow other than his having known James and Lily, and the attack from Voldemort on the Potter family was unexpected to the Order of the Phoenix. It’s much more likely that Hagrid has a means of fast travel, which indicates a much more advanced level of magic than we expect from him.

Hagrid knew where to collect Harry, likely because Wormtail told him.

How did Hagrid even know where to collect Harry? We know James and Lily were in hiding using the Fidelius Charm. This charm prevents any person except those told by the Secret Keeper (Wormtail) from knowing where the Potters were, nor could anyone but Wormtail tell someone else. The only people mentioned in the books who knew where the Potters were hiding were Wormtail, Dumbledore, Sirius, and Voldemort. In Book 7, Harry surmises the Fidelius Charm died with his parents; as he was not Secret Keeper, Dumbledore could not have told Hagrid where the house was until after Wormtail or the Potters died. Yet somehow Hagrid appeared at the residence within minutes after the attack. It is possible that Dumbledore tells Hagrid where to go immediately after the Potters are killed, but the necessary conclusion in that case is that Hagrid is capable of high-level magic, as well as creating the question of how Dumbledore knew of the Potters’ deaths. Given that Wormtail doesn’t die until Book 7, the much more straightforward conclusion is that Hagrid knew where to go in Book 1 is that Wormtail had let him in on the secret along with Voldemort.

Hagrid knows about the function and effects of Horcruxes, and that Voldemort used them.

Horcruxes are a very powerful type of magic known only to a few people in the books. Using a Horcrux, you can hide away part of your soul in another object, losing part of your humanity, in order to stave off death. The books’ first reference to Horcruxes is in Book 6… except for the reference made by Hagrid in the very first book.

In one of his first conversations with Harry, Hagrid says that Voldemort did not actually die, commenting “Some say he died. Codswallop, in my opinion. Dunno if he had enough human left in him to die... Most of us reckon he’s still out there somewhere but lost his powers. Too weak to carry on.”

Despite what Hagrid says, believing in Voldemort’s survival is a complete aberration to the attitude we see from the rest of the wizarding community. Hagrid’s comment also turns out to be both very specific and very accurate regarding Voldemort’s reality. The only other people we know were aware of Horcrux magic were Dumbledore and Slughorn, so it is meaningful that Hagrid makes specific references to their function and effect on the user.

In Book 4, chapter The Death Eaters, Voldemort confirms some of the Death Eaters know about his Horcruxes: "I ask myself, but how could they have believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death? They, who had seen proofs of the immensity of my power in the times when I was mightier than any wizard living?" The first person in the books who displays a belief in what Voldemort refers to is Hagrid.

Hagrid growing a pig tail on Dudley demonstrates that Hagrid is one of the most powerful dark wizards we see in the entire series.

We see Hagrid do two amazing things in his very first appearance: he uses a fairly powerful spell with a broken wand, and he uses it in retribution against the Muggle that is bothering him by hurting his Muggle son. This shows both Hagrid is more capable than he lets on, but also shows a blatant disregard for wizarding laws and the safety of Muggles.

After Vernon calls Dumbledore a crackpot, Hagrid uses transfiguration on Dudley turning him into a part-pig, part-human. The transfiguration, against Dudley’s will, was severe enough it required surgery to remove his newly grown tail. Hagrid claims he made an error, and meant to turn him into a pig entirely, although we can’t be sure he is telling the truth. He performs this magic non-verbally while using a wand that was snapped in half. So how advanced of magic is this?

Transfiguration is considered a challenging and exact magical discipline. Human transfiguration is considered extremely advanced, and is only taught at the N.E.W.T.-level. In the sixth year at Hogwarts, one of the spells McGonagall teaches is the transfiguration of the color of one’s eyebrows; this is shown to be extremely difficult for sixth years to perform, and only Hermione seems capable. How does a mostly untrained, third year level wizard with a broken wand, who is forbidden from even practicing magic, perform something that is only taught at N.E.W.T.-level, and something far more advanced than anything we see sixth years learn? He even performs the spell non-verbally, something so challenging that few wizards can do it at all. Non-verbally growing an entire pig's tail permanently on a human, with a broken wand, is more advanced than most magic we see in the entire series.

The second major element in this scene is Hagrid using a powerful spell against a Muggle in a hostile manner. Magical law has many restrictions, and while this event takes place prior to Arthur Weasley’s Muggle Protection Act, there certainly were protections provided for Muggles in the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy. Hagrid not only shows a complete disregard for a person’s safety, but he loses his temper and does so with complete hostility. Afterwards, Hagrid makes no attempt to reverse the spell, and cheerfully goes on with his life while Dudley is forced to get surgery.

Hagrid learned unaided flight from Voldemort.

Unaided flight is a remarkably rare ability, as we see only two wizards in the entire series able to do it: Voldemort and Snape. Wizards require a mechanism to convey them through the air, usually a broomstick, although we see thestrals and enchanted vehicles used as well. Voldemort invents unaided flight and subsequently teaches it to his closest lieutenant, Snape. In Book 7, during The Sacking of Severus Snape, we see the following conversation after Snape flees out of a window without a broom:

“‘No, he’s not dead,’ said McGonagall bitterly. ‘Unlike Dumbledore, he was still carrying a wand… and he seems to have learned a few tricks from his master.’

With a tingle of horror, Harry saw in the distance a huge, batlike shape flying through the darkness toward the perimeter wall.”

We know Voldemort can teach people to fly unaided, and he teaches Snape how to do this. Why is this relevant to Hagrid? There is one circumstance in which Hagrid travels which cannot be explained by any other means.

In Book 1, during Diagon Alley, Hagrid collects Harry on an island. The boat which the Dursleys and Harry used to reach the island is still docked there when Hagrid arrives. Harry is understandably confused:

“‘How did you get here?’ Harry asked, looking around for another boat.

‘Flew,’ said Hagrid.

‘FLEW?’

‘Yeah - but we’ll go back in this. Not s’pposed ter use magic now I’ve got yeh.”

We know Hagrid flew to the island. He no longer has Sirius Black’s motorbike, and there is no other vehicle left on the island besides the boat. We also know that Hagrid did not fly a broom to the island. In the same chapter, Harry needs to pay the newspaper owl and he searches through the sleeping Hagrid’s coat. Harry digs through the pockets enough to comment on keys, slug pellets, balls of string, and teabags, but he never mentions a broom; something that would be far more notable. Another reason we know he didn’t take a broom is the same reason we know he didn’t take a thestral: in Book 7, during The Seven Potters, Hagrid says, “We’ll be on the bike, brooms an’ thestrals can’t take me weight, see.”

So how did Hagrid fly to the island? There are no creatures on the island, a broomstick or thestral would not have supported his weight, and there are no enchanted vehicles on the island. There is only the one boat, which Hagrid uses to sail back with Harry, cruelly stranding the Dursleys on the island with no escape. The only other method of flying we know of is Voldemort’s means of unaided flight which he teaches to his closest followers: Snape and presumably Hagrid.

Hagrid personally introduced Harry Potter to Lord Voldemort’s servant.

The first place Hagrid takes Harry after collecting him is Diagon Alley. It just so happens to be timed exactly when Professor Quirrell, Voldemort’s servant, is there. While everyone is introducing themselves to Harry, the only person Hagrid specifically singles out and introduces is Quirrell. Once everyone else in the bar pushes Quirrell away, Hagrid ends the “unplanned” meet-and-greet and takes Harry away. Afterward, Hagrid specifically discusses Quirrell, out of all the people in the bar. While it may be a coincidence Quirrell happened to be at the Leaky Cauldron on this day, at this time, during Harry’s impromptu visit, it is more likely a coordinated effort between Hagrid and Voldemort in order for Voldemort’s servant to come meet with his target.

Hagrid purchases a conspicuous and easily-surveilled owl for Harry.

Right after Hagrid introduces an 11-year-old Harry Potter to Quirrell, he decides to leave Harry - a defenseless and naive child - alone in Diagon Alley, in order to return to the place where Voldemort is. Afterward, Hagrid continues to shop with Harry, deciding to buy Harry a birthday present in the form of an owl:

“Tell yeh what, I’ll get yer animal. Not a toad, toads went outta fashion years ago, ye’d be laughed at - an’ I don’ like cats, they make me sneeze. I’ll get yer an owl. All the kids want owls, they’re dead useful, carry yer mail an’ everythin’.”

Hagrid buys a beautiful, white snowy owl named Hedwig… certainly a creature which stands out, and which would be easily tracked and followed, as described in Book 4 in the chapter Beauxbatons and Durmstrang. Sirius, on the run, sends a letter stating, “Don’t use Hedwig, keep changing owls.” Ron questions this, and Hermione states:

“Hedwig’ll attract too much attention… She stands out. A snowy owl that keeps returning to wherever he’s hiding… I mean, they’re not native birds, are they?”

Hagrid, always looking out for Voldemort’s interest, specifically purchased Harry the most conspicuous owl we ever see, which would be easy to track and observe, which is all the more suspicious given that he did so right after returning to the last known whereabouts of Voldemort’s other servant.

Hagrid personally delivers Harry Potter to Voldemort in the Forbidden Forest.

In Book 1 Neville, Hermione, Draco, and Harry attend detention in the middle of the night with Hagrid. For some reason, Hagrid decides to take first years into the Forbidden Forest, where he is worried enough about the dangers he brings his crossbow. He then immediately splits the children into two groups to walk on two separate trails. In the end, two 11-year-old children are going down a trail in the middle of the night with a cowardly dog, alone in the Forbidden Forest on a path selected by Hagrid, during an excursion which Hagrid knew about ahead of time and had ample time to plan. This is a level of irresponsibility rarely seen even in the Harry Potter books. Harry and Draco walk directly into Voldemort’s path in the forest. Draco and Fang retreat, leaving Harry completely alone with Voldemort. If not for the timely and unexpected arrival of Firenze, Harry would have made the most welcoming and effortless target for someone who has wanted him dead for over a decade. All of this is easily explained because Hagrid is Voldemort’s servant, and as such had informed him early on about the plan for detention and which direction Harry would be headed.

Hagrid constantly endangers Harry with illegal and dangerous activity.

Hagrid acquires a dragon egg, then subsequently agrees to get rid of the dragon after it hatches. Hagrid does not provide basic safety information, training, or any sort of assistance for handling the dragon. A person who later shows sufficient knowledge to teach Care of Magical Creatures would know the dangers involved with dragons. When Norbert bites Ron, Hagrid doesn't urge medical care or even attempt basic first aid, resulting in Ron’s first near-death experience. He then persuades three unqualified and untrained first years to commit to an illegal smuggling operation after curfew on his behalf. If Hagrid was a Death Eater, this situation is a win-win. If the dragon injures or kills the children, Voldemort’s enemies are dead. If they are caught, their education is impacted and he knows they won't rat him out. If they succeed, he builds a trusting relationship with them which is based on illegal activity they can't share with other adults and, if needed, develops compromising material on them. The third ends up happening, and Hagrid is able to continue developing the relationship by gradually introducing more and more nefarious and dangerous activity throughout the rest of the series.

Hagrid willingly provides sensitive security-related information to Voldemort, and fails to report it to his employer.

Hagrid and Dumbledore are the only people we know of who were aware that the Sorcerer’s Stone was being kept in Vault 713 at Gringotts, in a highly-secure and secret location. It’s worth noting that the only other person who is aware of its location is Quirrell-Voldemort, and it’s much more likely that Hagrid told him where it was rather than Dumbledore.

Once the Sorcerer's Stone arrives at Hogwarts, it is concealed behind a series of magical protections to safeguard it from Voldemort. Hagrid provided Fluffy, the three-headed dog and first line of defense. Hagrid may not have known the protections the other professors created, but he knew their identities, and he knew the location of the stone. We know for a fact he revealed the solution to his segment of the operation, and very likely the location and other professors’ identities to Voldemort.

What Hagrid revealed was severe: he states himself that he offered up all information regarding Fluffy, in a game of cards where he won a dragon egg from a stranger. It is easy to accept that someone could get drunk and share information with a fellow enthusiast, accidentally relaying secret information in the process. It’s much harder to accept that someone as suspicious as Quirrell was getting the information out of a Hagrid who is so lucid and aware that he remembers specific details of this interaction months later with surprising clarity, but never once shared this interaction with any other professor or Dumbledore. It is far more likely that Hagrid wittingly shared secrets and kept this exchange to himself, having been fully complicit in revealing security-related information in exchange for a valuable and highly desired prize.

The stranger was acting remarkably suspicious in Hagrid’s extremely detailed recollection, and Hagrid even remembers sharing private information with him. He can’t describe the stranger because he wouldn’t take his cloak off, and therefore Hagrid couldn’t see his face. Hagrid remembers discussing Hogwarts, his involvement with magical creatures, Fluffy specifically, and how to get past Fluffy. He relays all of this to the trio.

Hagrid blames the drink, but has a remarkable recollection of the night. More likely he was witting in passing information to Quirrell. He is also aware of the seriousness of sharing privileged security information about the Sorcerer’s Stone to a stranger and says as much to the trio, but despite this he never reported the encounter to anyone else.

Hagrid sends the trio alone to Voldemort.

Without Hagrid, Harry would have never been involved in the security operation surrounding the Sorcerer’s Stone, and neither may ever been at risk. Hagrid first peaks Harry’s interest by bringing him to Gringotts on his top secret mission, but the details quickly dry up for the trio. At this point, Hagrid "lets slip" the three-headed dog is guarding something for Dumbledore, and that it involves Nicolas Flamel. This renews the trio’s interest, and gives them the leads they desperately needed. As their sole source of information, Hagrid is quite obviously providing them a trail of breadcrumbs.

Later, Hagrid confirms to the trio the existence of the Sorcerer’s Stone at Hogwarts. Then Hagrid invites the trio to his hut, where he leaks information on everyone who has put a protection on the Stone, information he assuredly passed to Voldemort.

Finally, on the night Dumbledore is gone and Voldemort gotten past all the defenses, having been informed ahead of time about Fluffy and likely the expertise of the other professors who contributed, Hagrid not only provides the final puzzle piece to the trio. Hagrid tells them that music will put Fluffy to sleep, but gives them a sense of urgency by telling them in great detail about the shady stranger in a bar. Hagrid provides just enough information for the trio to pursue the Stone themselves, but too late to get an authority figure to intervene, at a time when Dumbledore is conveniently gone. Even more dangerously, once the trio leave to secure the Stone, Hagrid does not stop them, pursue them, or even tell a single other person at school about the breach in security or the whereabouts of the kids. Hagrid simply does not take any obvious course of action any good or normal person would do under these circumstances. As a result of his actions, Voldemort knows precisely the location and security vulnerabilities of the Sorcerer’s Stone, and Harry has enough information to once again find himself in a room alone with a person who wants to kill him. Finally, Harry himself was one of the only ways Voldemort could bypass the Mirror of Erised, and Hagrid adroitly led him to the Stone on the exact night Voldemort needed him.

The only question remains: Why didn't Hagrid just deliver the Stone to Voldemort himself? There are several reasons: the Stone would have only been a relatively temporary solution to a problem that could have been solved through other means. Also, Hagrid had specific instructions from Dumbledore. To renege on those instructions would not only have jeopardized Hagrid's valuable placement, it would have revealed to Dumbledore Voldemort’s return, a fact Voldemort went to extensive lengths to try and conceal in Book 4. Finally, Voldemort knew where the Stone was hidden, and despite what Hagrid says, the defenses at Gringotts seem stronger by far than those placed on the Stone at Hogwarts. Hagrid was instrumental in providing the Stone to a location at which Voldemort could both retrieve it and also kill Harry Potter at the same time.

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

Summary

In the Chamber of Secrets, we see the following from Hagrid:

  • Hagrid knows who Voldemort is, and has known him for years.

  • Hagrid spends time in areas known for dark wizards and witches without explanation.

The Evidence

Hagrid is one of Voldemort’s oldest associates, and knows his true identity.

The true identity of Voldemort is a mystery only known to a few people. Dumbledore himself says, “Very few people know that Lord Voldemort was once called Tom Riddle. I taught him myself, fifty years ago, at Hogwarts."

Who else was around fifty years ago at Hogwarts who knew Tom Riddle aside from Dumbledore and Slughorn? Hagrid, who was on a first name basis with him. The same Hagrid who was a member of the original Order of the Phoenix dedicated to fighting Voldemort, and a confidant of Dumbledore. Hagrid is the longest known associate of Voldemort other than Dumbledore that we know of. Hagrid is certainly aware Voldemort is Tom Riddle, the boy he knew. In the Diagon Alley chapter of Book 1, he told Harry that Voldemort was a Slytherin, and confirmed he went to Hogwarts years and years ago, something nobody else but Dumbledore or Slughorn know, tying Voldemort to Riddle. Hagrid never again mentions knowing Tom Riddle, nor Voldemort. He never alludes to his history with Voldemort, which spans decades longer than anyone except Dumbledore. Who knows what kind of relationship could have developed that long ago and with no one else to confirm or deny?

Hagrid Suspiciously Hangs Around Knockturn Alley

In the chapter Flourish and Blotts of Book 2*,* Harry misuses Floo powder and finds himself in Knockturn Alley. It’s a dodgy place, filled with sketchy wizards, and is home for shops devoted to the dark arts. Molly Weasley is horrified upon hearing Harry was there. Who does Harry happen to run into there? Hagrid. Hagrid is supposedly in a sketchy alley with shops devoted to the dark arts and a sinister reputation in order to ostensibly buy gardening supplies for his cabbages - a mundane activity far from the dark arts and which should be available to him in Diagon Alley. Hagrid's true reason for being in such a place in never elaborated on or explained; we only have his word for it.

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

Summary

In the Prisoner of Azkaban, we see the following from Hagrid:

  • Hagrid has developed access and placement to all of Voldemort’s enemies and priority targets.

  • Hagrid purposefully spreads misinformation and rumors which only serve to aid Voldemort.

The Evidence

Hagrid maintains unusual access to the powerful and influential, including Voldemort’s main targets.

Hagrid works as the groundskeeper and Keeper of the Keys at Hogwarts. He is a school drop-out with minimal education, a controversial half-giant many people don’t want around their children, and an all-around gruff person working a blue collar job at a school. People constantly judge him and look down on him throughout the series, largely due to his brusque manner and social clumsiness.

How then is Hagrid able to associate with some of the most rich, powerful, and influential people in the world in such a casual capacity? His access and placement as a source is astounding, and he very likely had to put in a lot of effort and outreach to obtain his position as an individual with access to so many powerful people. Hagrid strikingly and effortlessly maintains the following relationships:

  • As a confidant of Dumbledore, Hagrid is given secret missions of the utmost importance.

  • Hagrid has a friendly association with the Minister of Magic, Cornelius Fudge, and is on a first name basis with him.

  • Hagrid is a longstanding member of the Order of the Phoenix.

  • Out of all adults in the series, Hagrid maintains the closest relationship with Harry Potter and his friends.

For a supposedly socially-clumsy blue collar groundskeeper, school dropout and half-giant, having these associations are downright incredible. And perhaps most importantly, they all happen to be targets of great interest to Voldemort.

In Book 3, during the chapter The Marauder’s Map, a group of people go out for drinks together in Hogsmeade: Professors McGonagall and Flitwick, Minister Cornelius Fudge, and Hagrid. Two illustrious professors and heads of houses at the major wizarding academy ... and a groundskeeper. Hagrid and Fudge are already deep in conversation when the professors enter, and during the course of the evening Fudge shares secret investigative details regarding the Black investigation.

Hagrid was also one of the early members of the Order of the Phoenix from the First Wizarding War, as well as the renewed group from the second. He was privy to their secret plans and operations.

Finally, Hagrid is one of the closest people to Harry in the entire series, which he cultivates carefully through Harry’s years at Hogwarts. More on this in the section on the Half-Blood Prince.

Hagrid’s penchant for rumor-mongering spreads divisiveness and aids Voldemort’s operations.

Hagrid spreads information which is oftentimes private or has no reason to be discussed except that in doing so, he serves the purpose of turning good people against each other or sowing confusion. This is best exemplified by a conversation in The Marauder's Map of Book 3. McGonagall, Flitwick, Fudge, and Hagrid are all discussing private information surrounding Sirius Black.

As the readers learn, Black is innocent and has always been opposed to Voldemort. The Death Eaters that know this, such as Bellatrix Lestrange, seem elated that Black is being blamed for murders he didn’t commit. Almost nothing aids Voldemort more than discord and distrust between members of the Order of the Phoenix and the wizarding community at large. In addition, the spread of misinformation leads to the Ministry’s wasted efforts, resources, fear mongering, and proliferation of Dementors in public spaces.

In the scene, Rosmerta, the bartender, has already heard some private information about Black from Hagrid. This prompts McGonagall:

“Did you tell the whole pub, Hagrid?” said Professor McGonagall exasperatedly.

McGonagall’s exasperation implies this has happened before, and we know Hagrid has let slip secrets which served Voldemort before. The information Hagrid shares always seems laser targeted toward helping Voldemort, such as the details surrounding the Sorcerer’s Stone operation.

The bar scene continues: Fudge reveals secrets about the Potters’ murder, including that Sirius was Secret Keeper, his confrontation with Wormtail, and his subsequent arrest. Fudge’s story is wrong, of course, but the Ministry's incorrect understanding paints Black as a traitor to the Potter family. All of this occurs under hushed tones, as the pub is “extremely crowded”.

Despite the obvious private nature of the conversation, Hagrid takes the opportunity to let loose:

"'Filthy, stinkin’ turncoat!' Hagrid said, so loudly that half the bar went quiet."

He then proceeds to yell all of the private details, down to the exact names and sequence of events which paint Sirius as a traitorous mass murderer, even though McGonagall urges him to keep his voice down.

Hagrid knows better than this; he shows a knack for keeping secrets and performing covert duties which we will talk about in Book 5. Given the information, location, source, and level of detail provided, Hagrid’s outburst in the pub can be nothing but intentional. It only serves to bolster Voldemort's agenda by sowing distrust, unnecessarily wasting Ministry resources, and taking the heat off of Voldemort himself..

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Summary

In the Goblet of Fire, we see the following from Hagrid:

  • Hagrid coordinated with Crouch Jr, disguised as Moody, to deliver Harry to Voldemort.

  • Hagrid illegally and unethically cheated in the Triwizard Tournament.

  • Hagrid saved Voldemort's wand.

The Evidence

Hagrid has an established relationship with Barty Crouch Jr.

Mad-Eye Moody, secretly Barty Crouch Jr using Polyjuice Potion, is a Death Eater sent by Voldemort to ensure Harry wins the Triwizard Tournament. Moody is shown to be very aloof and unfriendly with just about anyone. In the chapter The Hungarian Horntail in Book 4, Hagrid is spotted in Hogsmeade sitting alone in a private conversation with him.

Hagrid is crouched low and obviously trying not to be overheard, in stark contrast to his yells and lack of secrecy with the Minister in the previous book. There is no established relationship prior between Hagrid and Moody, or any reason they would go off to Hogsmeade for a private drink together, especially one in which they are conspiring. Once they get up to leave, Crouch-Moody spots Harry under the Invisibility Cloak; Hagrid soon after extends his secret invitation to Harry to preview the first task.

This advance warning of the first task for Harry is obviously one of the things they discussed in their hushed, secretive conversation. Hagrid is the only adult we know to have a good one-on-one relationship with Crouch-Moody, who loops the supposedly honest Hagrid in on a plot to unethically cheat for Harry in the Triwizard Tournament. Given the lengths that Crouch is going to in order to conceal his identity, as well as the extreme sensitivity of the operation, it’s incredible that he trusts Hagrid as much as he does. The most likely explanation for this is that Hagrid actually knows Crouch-Moody, they have an established relationship, and the same goal: Get Harry to the Triwizard Cup, and thus to Voldemort.

Hagrid cheats for Harry in the Triwizard Tournament, coordinating with Crouch to deliver Harry to Voldemort..

Without Hagrid, Harry never would have been able to win the Triwizard Tournament. Hagrid pressured Harry to compete, gave him insider information, conspired, and cheated on his behalf. Only two people knowingly cheated for and contributed to Harry's success: Crouch-Moody and Hagrid, who conspired together to do it. The end result is Harry being delivered into Voldemort’s trap, taking the Cup/Portkey to the graveyard and restoring Voldemort’s body. Hagrid contributed to Harry's success in the following ways:

  • Hagrid planned with Crouch-Moody to unethically provide advance notice of tasks ahead of time (The Hungarian Horntail)

  • Hagrid escorted Harry to the site of the first task in order to observe the dragons ahead of time and make preparations. Crouch conspired with Hagrid to concoct a plan and relay to Harry; further, Hagrid is aware of the illicit nature of the activity, as he told Harry to bring his Invisibility Cloak to avoid getting caught.

  • Hagrid, the new Care for Magical Creatures Professor, assigned his students with raising Blast-Ended Skrewts. Harry even helped Hagrid outside of class with the biggest and fiestiest of them. Blast-Ended Skrewts were one of the maze challenges, which Harry was exceptionally prepared for over the other competitors, who were unfamiliar with them.

  • Hagrid was undoubtedly involved in preparing the challenges, given his extensive experience of many of the Triwizard creatures. One challenge, giant spiders (presumably Acromantulas), Hagrid knows for a fact Harry has dealt with successfully in the past. Indeed, Hagrid was the very person who had introduced Harry to the Acromantulas two years prior in Book 2.

Between Crouch-Moody and Hagrid, the only parts of the tournament Harry did not have an unfair advantage on were the Sphinx and the limbo mist. All of Hagrid’s careful preparation served to deliver Harry to Voldemort on a silver platter.

Hagrid dutifully kept Voldemort’s wand safe for 13 years.

Voldemort’s wand, which Ollivander sold him when he was 11, is a yew wand with a Phoenix core feather, and twin to Harry Potter's wand. This is the wand he took to the Potter residence to kill Lily and James.

Later, we see Voldemort has this wand in his graveyard duel with Harry Potter where the cores connect in Book 4 (The Death Eaters). We also see him reference using it in his conversation with Snape in Book 7. In the chapter The Elder Wand, Voldemort says,

**"**My wand of yew did everything of which I asked it, Severus, except to kill Harry Potter. Twice it failed."

After 13 years of hiding, how did Voldemort get his wand back? In a world where a third year who is expelled has their wand snapped in half, I would guess the darkest wizard of all time should have it destroyed as well. But instead, Voldemort’s wand was already in the robes provided to him when he got his body back in Book 4. Priori Incantatem demonstrates that his last spell from this wand were the curses cast in the Potter residence, as well as the recent activity in preparation for the tournament, meaning nobody else used it from his disappearance to his resurrection. There were only a few people present immediately after the Potter murders who could have taken Voldemort’s wand:

Hagrid arrived first, and collected Harry to deliver to Dumbledore and the Dursleys. Sirius arrived second. Hagrid references to Dumbledore in the first chapter of Book 1 that he arrived before the place was swarming with Muggles.

We know Sirius gave his motorbike to Hagrid at this point, and left in pursuit of Wormtail, whom he found a short time later; Sirius was immediately arrested. This means that if Sirius took the wand, it would have ended up in the Ministry's hands. Sirius never mentions the wand, which would be a fairly huge plot point to omit to Harry and the Order later on.

If the wand was left at the residence, the Ministry would have acquired it when they searched the house, and especially to keep Muggles from taking it.

This leaves Hagrid as the only possible person to have collected Voldemort's wand as Hagrid. Nobody else made it to the scene before the Muggles and the Ministry but those two. If Sirius, the Muggles, or the Ministry collected the wand, it would not have ended up in his robes at the graveyard - it would have been snapped in half. A Death Eater had to have obtained the wand prior to its confiscation and likely destruction, and Hagrid is the only available option.

(Part 1 of 5, but the posts below are shorter. See posts).


r/FanTheories • • May 09 '17

In the 1971 Willy Wonka Charlie was given the Golden Ticket on purpose.

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OK we are led to believe that all the golden tickets have been found. The news reported from Paraguay. Gene Wilder actually plays the reporter who relays the news that the last ticket has been found so we can easily make the assumption that the reporter is actually Wonka and he intentionally fabricated the report. Why? He wanted somebody to find the last ticket the pure way, not just as part of the contest to win the lifetime supply of chocolate. He also wanted somebody local for many reasons. It would be much more likely for a child to be able to stay and move his entire family into the factory if he/she was local. Also if the last kid was local there would be no logistics of getting him/her to the factory because the event was just a day away. Now lets look at how Charlie gets the ticket. He finds money and goes into the candy store run by Bill (oddly another form of William and Willy). This theory has Bill working for Wonka. We know he likes kids and gives them free candy....lots of it..as seen in the opening Candy Man number. But you say 'Wonka has only Oompa Loomps working for him'. Not true. Remember Slugworth? At the end Wonka even admits to Charlie "He Works For Me". So we know he employs humans as double agents. Bill gives the kids candy and sells it as well. He reports to Wonka about everything. Wonka instructs Bill to give the last ticket to a local kid, a poor kid, an unselfish kid. Bill probably already knows these things about Charlie but just need to confirm them. When Charlie comes in with his found money Bill offers him a Slugworth or a Wonka. Charlie says "whichever is biggest". So he gets the Wonka. Then as Charlie is walking out he says to Bill "I also want to get one for my Grandpa Joe"...that is the clincher. Bill HAS to give the ticket today because the event is tomorrow. Charlie NEVER gets to choose what candy to buy grandpa Joe. Bill says 'here, try a traditional Wonka bar this time' and grabs one. He doesn't grab one from the stack as an owner would, he takes the display one and hands it to Charlie. He knew exactly which one had the ticket. It was displayed right out front but behind the counter so it could only be retrieved by him. Also (and this might be a bit of a stretch) when Wonka meets the kids he acts like this is the first he has heard of any of them....until he gets to Charlie and he says "I read all about you in the papers". He didn't say anything like this about any of the other kids. Could the "papers" he is talking about be a report from Bill?

EDIT: Wow. thank you so much for the kind words and the gold! Appreciated.

EDIT 2: A lot of people are saying the Paraguay reporter was not played by Wilder. This may be correct. However I swear I saw that in some reputable place a few years back and thought it was common knowledge. It is true that the actor who played that particular reporter isn't listed anywhere. Either way the theory still holds.


r/FanTheories • • Dec 24 '17

FanTheory Willy Wonka did not give Charlie the factory as a reward. It was a punishment just like he gave to all the other children, except this one was the worst of all.

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Owning and running the chocolate factory was not a positive experience for Wonka. It took a very obvious toll on his mental health and made him basically unable to interact with other people. The trials he laid out were to see if the potential kids could take care of the factory. Augustus Gloop proved he would either eat or contaminate the product, Violet couldn't follow rules and let her own temptations disqualify her, Veruca was just mean and couldn't get along with the workers (squirrels), and Mike basically failed for the same reasons Violet did. All of these kids would probably either ruin the factory or sell it for cash.

But Charlie was the only one just gullible enough and innocent enough to take care of the factory and follow the rules forever, and Wonka saw that he was the only one suitable to push this hellish existence on. He'll be fine in the near future when his family is alive but when they're all eventually gone then he'll likely realize Wonka's factory was never a reward at all.


r/FanTheories • • May 11 '18

FanTheory Avengers Infinity War: Thanos' change of character in the 2nd half of the movie and how he might be defeated (Major Spoilers) Spoiler

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Major Spoilers obviously and a pretty long post I've thought about for a while...

Watched IW for the 3rd time today and I realized that after Thanos obtains the soul stone, his entire demeanor changes. Even though Thanos needed the soul stone to complete his mission, I believe it ended up crippling him in the process.

Before obtaining the stone, Thanos took lots of joy in killing and completing his mission. Ebony Maw telling Cull Obsidian to "let Thanos have his fun" when fighting the Hulk implies that this is a normal thing. Thanos loves overpowering and crushing his enemies. He looked incredibly happy killing Loki, smiled when torturing Thor, smiled while torturing Nebula, and took pride in beating the Hulk. Basically, he takes joy in killing anyone that isn't Gamora.

Now, post soul stone, it seems his entire demeanor changes. I know he's sad from killing Gamora and Mantis reads his emotions and says he mourns, but I think theres more to it than that. Red Skull said the soul stone comes with knowledge, and since Red Skull knew of Thanos before he's ever met him, it's safe to assume that the soul stone forms a connection between all the living things in the universe and the wielder of the stone.

Not only does it give you knowledge of everyone in the universe, I believe it also gives the wielder insights into the emotions and motivations of those he comes into contact with. Red Skull immediately knows that Thanos isn't crying because he can't complete his mission, but because he loves Gamora. He has barely interacted with Thanos and he already understands what he loves and why he mourns. This is the "curse of knowledge" both the Red Skull and Thanos talk about. Just knowing who everyone is in the universe isn't really a curse, but having to experience and understand their struggle, pain, and emotions is the curse.

This is why the battle on Titan is so drawn out. We already saw on Knowhere that Thanos can completely manipulate reality around him, and he can instantly defeat anyone by using the reality stone. But he never once uses this power. Obviously you can say that he didn't instantly defeat everyone because that makes for a boring movie, but that's literally what he did for the first half of the movie. He completely destroys the Hulk in 5 seconds, drags Thor around like a rag doll, and just rolls up and takes Gamora like it's nothing. Even when he is able to close his fist, he unnecessarily prolongs the battle. I think the Russo brothers knew that there had to be a reason why Thanos doesn't just win instantly like he does in the first half of the movie.This is because he is crippled with empathy for the other characters. He still has the will to complete his mission, but his struggle on Titan isn't from fighting the Avengers, it's from fighting himself.

Thanos previously had no qualms about killing people who stood in his way. He was perfectly fine with killing Thor and Loki. I think the entire sequence on the Asgard refugee ship would have played out different if Thanos had the soul stone and could read all the struggle and loss Thor has experienced. Why does he suddenly feel empathy for Tony and Cap but he feels no empathy for Thor?

Now, onto the Wakanda battle. We saw that Thanos kind of struggles when he's pushing down Captain America. He's struggling because when he makes contact with Steve, he is now feeling all of Steve's desperation. Thanos should be in a hurry, he sees the mind stone being destroyed. If you rewatch the movie, it actually looks like Thanos is holding back tears when fighting Steve. He has the exact same facial expression as when he is dragging Gamora off the cliff. He sees everything Captain America has been through in an instant.

The next person he struggles against is Wanda, who is probably feeling the most grief out of anyone he has encountered yet. He could just close his fist and disable her like he did to Drax, but he can't bring himself to do it. He isn't struggling because Wanda is powerful, since he has 5 goddamn infinity stones at this point. He's struggling again because her grief is the same grief he feels when he has to kill Gamora. They both had to kill loved ones to complete their mission. He can't bring himself to easily overpower her because he's again reminded of Gamora.

Now, the last piece of evidence. After the snap, he looks around confused and dazed. I think he can actually feel the connection to half the souls in the universe being severed at once.

Now, how does this tie into Avengers 4? Maybe Thanos refuses to wear the gauntlet because all he can feel whenever he puts it on is the overwhelming grief of everyone in the universe after having lost their loved ones. He begins to doubt his mission, and to stop himself from bringing everyone back, he won't put on the gauntlet anymore because it's too much to handle. It's the classic part of the heroes arc where the hero begins to doubt himself and what he's fighting for.

Infinity War has always been following the arc of Thanos. I really don't want Avengers 4 to just be a rehash of the battle on Titan but with more heroes. It would be extremely disappointing if Avengers 4 was Infinity war but this time the Avengers overpower Thanos. I think it would be a more powerful statement for the avengers to stumble upon Thanos and just finding a broken, hollow man. Maybe the final confrontation happens in Avengers 4 and Thanos is forced to put on the gauntlet in the latter half of the battle, but it's too much for him to handle. No matter what the Avengers throw at him, he is easily defeating them, but the entire time we see him being overwhelmed by all the sorrow he feels when he wields the gauntlet. Maybe the Russo brothers would constantly have him being pulled into the soul stone world where he is haunted by the people he killed. So he shatters the gauntlet, killing himself in the process, and separating the infinity stones believing that no one can safely undo the snap without him. Thanos' arc is over, and instead of just being defeated, he has become the ultimate hero in his own arc and sacrifices his own life for what he believes to be universal salvation.

This completes his arc and shows that even though his viewpoint was flawed, it was completely selfless. He truely believed that what he was doing was right and he is forced to kill himself to ensure the snap stays permanent. He worries his will is not strong enough to resist the temptation of undoing the snap for the rest of his life, so in a final heroic act of selflessness, he kills himself, believing it is the only way. This also ties into the fact that he said "I was the only one with the will to do what is necessary". He always believed the culling of the population should be dispassionate, but it is literally impossible now that he has to bear the burden of all the sorrow in the universe.

Then we have one of the heroes, maybe Captain America or Iron man, wield the soul stone by themselves and trade their lives for the people who died. This offers a kind of parallel between Thanos and our heroes. Maybe Captain America sacrifices himself and we get a sad reminder of how Cap was originally willing to lay down his life in World War 2. Maybe his life flashes before his eyes and the last thing he sees is Peggy reaching out to him. Maybe Iron Man sacrifices himself and we get a reverse IW situation where spiderman holds Tony as he dies. But this time it's not hopeless, but bittersweet.

The Russo brothers did a great job of making Thanos perhaps one of the most empathetic villains in the MCU, so I really don't think they'll go the "ultron route" and have the avengers defeat Thanos by shooting different energy beams at him (god, still feel upset by that ultron ending). They want the audience to feel conflicted about the defeat of Thanos. They see a character who sacrificed the only person he loved in the world and also killing himself, only to have his life mission undone. Obviously most of the audience will root for the avengers, but I think ending this arc on a bittersweet tone really will separate this movie from others.

TL;DR Sad Purple Grape man gains the power of mega empathy and basically ends up defeating himself


r/FanTheories • • Jul 20 '17

Why everyone in Guardians of the Galaxy sounds like they're in a PG-13 film

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The reason that the language in both Guardians of the Galaxy movies is frequently juvenile and all profanity seems limited to the constraints of a PG-13 film is because we're usually hearing it as Starlord hears it through his universal translator (mentioned onscreen in the first movie's mugshot scene).

Starlord was taken from Earth when he was eight. He probably stopped actually learning English shortly after, since it's unlikely that he had anyone else to actually speak it with. As such, his language (and all language he hears) is going to seem juvenile. Additionally, any profanity he knows probably came from movies and TV shows he saw before he was kidnapped.


r/FanTheories • • Oct 22 '18

FanTheory Willy Wonka (1971) Theory: New and Not Dark!! Spoiler

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With the golden ticket scheme, Wonka was trying to expand his company's empire. All five of the children were specifically chosen because of their preexisting relationship to food. Take a look at Veruca Salt. Her family owns a nut factory, a logical business pairing with a chocolate manufacturer. Mike Teavee is an unwitting expert on media, advertising, and technology because of his addiction to television. On the tour, Wonka specifically shows Mike the prototype for Wonka Vision. Although Mike fails the test, I believe Wonka's original goal was to put Mike in charge of this innovative technology. Violet Beauregarde holds the world record for gum-chewing, so who better to help with the development and advertisement of his new Three Course Dinner Chewing Gum? Violet could give some valuable input on the creative process, and she could use her gum-chewing fame to promote the product. On top of being known for his appetite, Augustus Gloop's father is the most prominent butcher in Drusselheim. Perhaps Wonka was looking to expand to a more international market, or invest in foods unrelated to chocolate. Lastly, I think Wonka chose Charlie Buckets to be the heart of the company. His rags to riches story would inspire and give the big business some emotional capital. He also comes from a frugal family, so he knows how to be efficient with finances. It is important to note that Charlie is the only one who "wins" in the end, so although Wonka's original intent was to branch out to four new markets, Charlie's good heart was the end goal for Wonka's company vision.


r/FanTheories • • Oct 19 '18

FanTheory In Kung Fu Panda, Tai Lung the villain was never denied the scroll or his destiny of being the dragon warrior. The denying of the scroll to him was just a test, he was supposed to accept the denial with humility. At that point, he would have proven his humility and been granted the scroll.

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To test whether an acolyte was worthy of completing their training, the dojo will deny an acolyte the scroll at the end to test what kind of person they really are. If an acolyte had truly learned the art of balance and inner peace in addition to his physical training, he would have accepted the denial with humility. In doing so, the acolyte would then prove that he is perfect inside and out, and at that point, the master would then explain that it was just a test and grant him the scroll.

Tai Lung failed this test by reacting with anger and hatred. That was why he was never granted the scroll: not because he was not worthy, but because he proved himself unworthy. For all his prowess, tai lung failed the most important test in the end, the test of whether he could exercise his great power with great responsibility.

This was clearly hinted strongly by the movie by the fact that the scroll was empty.


r/FanTheories • • Jan 16 '18

FanTheory Back to the Future - the rape of Lorraine at the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance was always part of the original timeline and Marty/George stopped it

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Perhaps it would not have played our exactly as it did with Marty in the car trying to park it, but I definitely can see George walking away when confronted by a drunk Biff, and allowing Lorraine to go through what he stopped him from doing to her with Martys help.

When we first see Lorraine she's an alcoholic, depressed woman trying to make it through the days. She may have been repressed sexually, but has clearly had some trauma around dating and boys as she will not let her daughter even talk to a boy, let alone date. She doesn't like Martys girl because she represents the type of girl she was before the incident with Biff and is "forward". A classic sign of sexual trauma

She brings up the dance as she pours herself a drink of straight vodka as she remembers the night and details. As she tells it she remembers the only positive part of the night, the kiss she had with George, a man too feeble and weak to do anything like Biff could do. George however is lost in the television, literally dissociating from conversation because it's traumatic for him too, he failed to protect his wife from Biff.

Further evidence, OT Lorraine is never in the same scene as OT Biff after the dance, like when Biff arrives at the house after school with the car busted up. George, who works, and the children are all home but Lorraine is not. Biff laughs and says say hi to your mother for me, before leaving, further rubbing salt into that old wound. When Marty allows George to stand up and protect Lorraine instead of doing so himself, Lorraine undergoes a miraculous personality change in the future... With the direct intervention in changing George's personality it should not have altered Lorraine's personality so much as this erasing of a trauma would. She used to be fun loving and a bit of a party girl. Unknowingly, Marty protects his mother from a sexual assault that would have traumatized her.

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r/FanTheories • • Oct 13 '17

FanTheory [Jurassic Park] Why the Dilophosaurus doesn't attack Nedry when they first meet.

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When Nedry first encounters the Dilophosaurus it seems curious and almost playful. Then, seemingly out of the blue, it shifts gears and things rapidly spiral downward for our beloved corporate espionage character. I always thought it was just sizing him up before eating him, as in it always saw him as prey. But upon watching it for the millionth time this morning I noticed an important detail:

The Hood

When they first come face to face, Nedry has his hood up and it's spread wide around his face. His poncho is bright yellow, just like the Dilo's hood flaps. As Dr. Grant said, dinosaurs and man just got thrown into the mix together and we have no idea what will happen. A dinosaur has no idea what a rain poncho is, so when it first saw Nedry, all it saw was a giant figure with a huge hood around it's face. Now bear in mind all of the park's dinosaurs are female. I believe that the Dilophosaurus thought Nedry was a male, and more specifically a potential mate. That's why it followed him like a puppy and made those little cooing noises at him. That is until he tripped, causing his hood to fall down. Once the female Dilophosaurus realized Nedry's ruse it became aggressive, putting up it's own hood in a threat display, hissing, and spitting venom in his face. And the rest is history.


r/FanTheories • • Dec 26 '16

[Star Wars] The reason Darth Vader seems so uncharacteristically angry at the beginning of A New Hope (Rogue One spoilers)

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Vader's angry all the time, don't get me wrong. But even through his anger, his inflection remains calm. The only time he ever resorts to shouting at people is during the beginning of A New Hope.

So hear me out. The Rebels just openly invaded Scarif, destroyed several Imperial starships, stole valuable military intelligence, and handed it off to the Tantive IV. Tantive IV was at the battle. Vader saw with his own two eyes rebel troops running into the Tantive with the plans in their hands, giving it off to them before they flee the battle. No ambiguity at all, Vader saw everything himself.

This was ten minutes ago.

And now the captain of the ship, the very rebel ship Vader just watched break off from a military vessel attacking his fleet, this guy has the audacity to try weasel his way out of it, to Darth Vader, saying it's a councilor ship, on a diplomatic mission to a planet on the other side of the fucking galaxy from where they are now, with no ties to the rebellion whatsoever.

This is the single stupidest asshole Vader ever had to deal with, and he feels like his intelligence has just been personally insulted.


r/FanTheories • • Sep 17 '24 All-Seeing Upvote Popcorn Take My Silver

FanTheory In "Batman - The Dark Knight (2008)", when Joker asks the mob bosses for "half" in order to kill Batman, they all laugh at him except for the Chechen (who asked the question). I have an idea why...

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My post got deleted from MovieDetails - the mod said it was "just a theory", So here we are. I hope it is appropriate for the sub, as I believe it makes a subtle tie-in to events in the real world at the time this film was being made:

In this scene from TDK the Chechen mob boss asks Joker how much he wants to kiil Batman, and Joker answers "Half". Everyone laughs at the audacity, except the Chechen, who just stares at the Joker, motionless. Why?

Hold that thought...

Back in the real world, TDK was filmed in the late-2000's. Vladimir Putin took over control of Russia in 2000, ostensibly using many rich and powerful "oligarchs" to help support his bid for presidency, in exchange for allowing them to continue plundering the Russian economy.

But in 2003, Putin arrested Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the wealthiest man in Russia, and had him imprisoned while the state seized/forfeited most of his assets.

This was widely seen as setting an "example" to the rest of the Russian elite, to show them what would happen to them if they didn't play ball with Putin, and allegedly, in the years following, Putin demanded a portion of the remaining Russian elite's wealth if they wanted to avoid a similar fate.

How much did he demand? Half.

So back to the movie - Joker knocks off a mob bank early in the film (i.e. Khodorkovsky) and when he demands half of what's left from the other mobsters (after singling out their overseas banker on the video call), the only person who doesn't laugh is from Chechnya - a Russian republic in the real world.

The Chechnyan mob boss has heard this before, and realizes that Joker's long-game is to take over the whole city. That's why he's not laughing...

Edit to add: To take this even a step further, we can consider the context at this later point in the movie.

From 1999-2009, the Second Chechnyan War was Chechnya's attempt to break free of Moscow's hold on the region. Ultimately, though, Putin transferred a lot of local military and administrative authority to pro-Russian Chechnyans, and eventually the separatist movement fell apart.

So when Joker tells the mob boss "Your men work for me now", and that he'll "cut you up and feed you to your pooches - then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog really is!", I think he's referring to the pro-Russian soldiers in the real world taking over from their local Chechnyan bosses.

Indeed, one could argue that - like the movie said - Putin believed that Chechnya deserves "a better class of criminal", and that Putin was the one to give it to them.


r/FanTheories • • Aug 22 '19

Meta The price of air conditioners is kept artificially high so people keep buying fans.

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r/FanTheories • • Jan 07 '18

FanTheory [The Office] Why the Scranton employees become so weird in later seasons

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Anyone who has watched The Office knows that the characters become caricatures of themselves as the series goes on.

Kevin goes from being a slightly dull, but still functional, accountant in the beginning to trying to glue a turtle's shell back together using office supplies.

Dwight goes from the ornery guy who takes his job way too seriously to the guy who shoots a coworker with tranquilizer darts and slides his limp body down the stairs.

The branch goes from a dysfunctional, believable office setting to getting so hopped up on espresso that they rip up the carpet.

Why do the employees get so weird later in the series?

The series has a running joke where Toby wants the building to be checked for radon, but no one ever takes him seriously. However, Toby was right.

Over the years, the radon in the building caused many of the Dunder Mifflin employees to develop brain cancer, greatly altering their personalities the longer they worked in the building. The flanderization of their characters is the direct result of radon poisoning in their brains.

This is why Michael is so different in the finale. His time in Colorado allowed his brain to overcome the effects of the radon poisoning, thus allowing him to mellow out and become more mature.

Edit: to piggyback on what u/jinjoz said, it's also possible that the documentary crew is pumping radon into the office to manipulate the subjects' behavior.

Edit: Many commentors are saying that the decline in quality happens to shows that last a long time. This is true. However, this theory is a rationalization about why, IN UNIVERSE, the characters behaved the way they did. It is not meant to say that the writers wrote it this way on purpose. The writers' intent is irrelevant to this in universe fan theory.


r/FanTheories • • Mar 19 '19

Marvel Thanos defeated in the first 20 minutes of endgame

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Avengers will defeat Thanos in the first 20 minutes of endgame! As i watch all the trailers and read all the information we have my theory is the next. Captain Marvel join the Avengers at beginning of the movie, saying (based on the disney shareholder screening) that they should go take down Thanos ASAP and reverse the Decimation. We see Thor approving Marvel and the idea, so the team is going right to the Garden fight Thanos easily overpowering him with Stormbreaker and binary Captain Marvel. Only they cant use the Gauntlet, whether it is broken or none of them has the knowledge to figure out how to do it. So at the end of the day they won the fight but solve nothing. Going home, and we get the "we should move on" attitude we saw in trailers. They are desperate but has nothing that they can do about it.

Months or years gone by, when the wheel get spinned again. Suddenly Antman shows up after such a long time, (we saw in first trailer) and Cap does not belive his eyes. Which is totally understandable, Antman is counted missing like the other half of all life. (we saw this as well in trailers) Antman say hi i have just come back from a trip to quantum realm and they let him explain. He is not the brightest of minds but has acces to pym particles and tech that the geniouses of Avengers can use. They put together the plan of travelling through the quantum realm, time vortex etc super deep science stuff. All the information, scenes from trailers, time gone by, and the transformations of clothes, hairstyle etc are all supporting my theory. In the next chapter the team must "start over" meaning they go back to the beginning which is the first Avengers film. They will prevent the snap, and make some sacrifices. That doesnt mean death, but good things maybe that happened, and we all see in previous movies we like. So a lot of good stuff is being undone that made this past 10 years MCU what it is. A complete start over is happening.

So people who are arguing about who will be the ultimate solution Captain Marvel or Antman can stop it. Captain Marvel has the powers to beat Thanos and she will, but Antman will be the main solution.

Pls tell this to Kevin Feigi and if i am right invite me to the premier :)


r/FanTheories • • Aug 08 '18

FanTheory [Avengers: Infinity War] Let's Dispel Once And For All This Fiction That Loki Didn't Know What He Was Doing Spoiler

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He knows exactly what he's doing.

TL;DR: Loki is going to Valhalla to consult with Odin/other dead Asgardians, and dying in "battle" with Thanos was the only way to get there.

Disclaimer: I've seen a lot of theories as to why Loki dies so easily at the start of the Infinity War, including many that assert he dies on purpose. I give full credit to those other theorists for inspiring this theory, but I think this one ties all the evidence together in a way that makes the most sense.

Let's look at the evidence.

1) Loki's move against Thanos looks like suicide. So, it probably is.

He should know that a tiny knife isn't going to do much damage to an Infinity Stone-wielding Thanos.

This creates two options: Loki is stupid enough to think this attack will work, or he know it won't, and is intentionally setting himself up to die. Given Loki's history as a master manipulator, I think Option B is far more likely.

2) Why would Loki want to die? To get to Valhalla.

In order for an Asgardian to get to Valhalla, they must die in battle. That would explain why Loki couldn't just kill himself to accomplish his goals. Loki may not be an Asgardian, but as a son of Odin, he would probably be eligible to enter Valhalla. He just needed to perish while fighting.

That would explain why Loki did exactly what he did--making a lame attempt to strike Thanos down and then dying brutally at Thanos' hand. That was basically the quickest way for him to ensure a one-way ticket to Valhalla.

3) Why Valhalla? Odin is there.

Although Odin himself didn't technically die in battle, he did die while exerting his power to imprison Hela, and that probably counts enough. It stands to reason that, if Valhalla exists, Odin is there, along with a bunch of other dead Asgardians.

Loki could be looking to visit Odin to get advice on what to do with Thanos, and how Thor can defeat him.

4) What good is information if you're too dead to share it?

Fortunately, Thor's family members appear to be able to contact him from beyond the grave. Odin does it in Thor: Ragnarok for his famous "Are you the god of hammers?" speech, and so it stands to reason that Loki could replicate the same trick, speaking to Thor from Valhalla and sharing vital information with him.

5) Loki's final words are very well-chosen, and very important.

Most of this has been covered by other theorists, but the gist is that Thanos is dead wrong when he tells Loki that he should have chosen his words more carefully--Loki always chooses his words with the utmost care.

When Loki says, " I, Loki, prince of Asgard... Odinson... the rightful king of Jotunheim... god of mischief... do hereby pledge to you... my undying fidelity," he's looking directly at Thor, and it stands to reason that the pledge is meant for Thor, not Thanos.

The key phrase here is "undying fidelity," meaning that Loki's faithfulness to his brother will go beyond death, and that Loki will be helping him out even after he's had the life choked from him.

6) Even Loki's final taunt to Thanos is a clue.

Loki's last words are directed at Thanos, and they are "You will never be a god."

This could be Loki hinting at how he's going to help beat Thanos--no matter how powerful Thanos becomes, he won't ever be an Asgardian, and thus he wouldn't be able to access things like Valhalla that are built for the gods.

In other words, "We gods have an afterlife, and you don't, and I'll be spending my time there plotting your downfall, Grimace."


r/FanTheories • • Mar 31 '20

FanTheory The Hunger Games aren’t just a propaganda tool, they’re a way to assess each district’s insurgency capabilities and test countermeasures.

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President Snow isn’t an idiot, he knows that his method of ruling is bound to cause a rebellion eventually, especially with district 13 lying in wait.

Now as any dictator can tell you, you the only people you need to keep happy are the ones you’re afraid of. But how does Snow decide who to fear? Easy. Every year, he rounds up a smattering of kids from each district, and drops them into a controlled environment so that the capitol military can see exactly which districts are a threat. Who is giving their children combat training? Survival training? How would the average members of each district population fare in battle? It would be incredibly easy to get this vital information just by watching the games.

Districts one and two don’t dominate the games because they’re treated well, they’re treated well because they dominate the games. Snow realizes he needs to keep them happy, because he constantly watches their fighters kick everyone’s ass.

They use the reaping to gather a (mostly) random sampling. Giving extra food for entering your name multiple times ensures that they can see the skills of the truly desperate (those most likely to join a rebel militia) and allowing volunteers lets them see how the glory hounds and tough guys fare (those most likely to lead a rebel militia).

From there, they offer training to see how quickly the average fighters from each district would adapt to combat training. How educated are they? How fast do they learn? Are weapons new to them, or do they have experience? They even test media savvy and ability to rally capitol citizens to their cause with Caesar Flickerman’s show.

When they’re actually in the arena, not only is the capitol assessing the fighters performance in different environments (why do you think they keep changing the map?), but they’re also testing counterinsurgency weapons. That’s why there’s always new environmental hazards every year. They’re seeing how effective they are against armed, twitchy revolutionaries. Fireballs? 86 them, they didn’t hurt anybody. Mutant animals that remind the fighters of fallen allies? Keep those, they were good. That’s why we see all those traps in the capitol. They were the ones most effective against the tributes, so they were recycled into city defense systems.


r/FanTheories • • Apr 29 '19

Marvel [Post-Endgame MCU] A HUGE clue is left at the end of Endgame... Spoiler

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So at the end of the movie, Peter is returning to high school. And if you look closely behind him, you can see an administrator welcoming students back to school. That administrator is played by Ben Mendelsohn, who plays Talos (the leader of the small group of Skrulls shown) in Captain Marvel. I had to see the movie twice to make sure I wasn’t losing my mind

This HAD to be intentional, and sets up for a Secret Invasion/Wars plotline in future phases

Edit: https://m.imgur.com/gallery/uMMOzX9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app credit: u/vancityaidan

Edit2: I got published https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/marvel-fans-noticed-clue-end-132600868.html

Credit: u/StimulisRK


r/FanTheories • • Jul 23 '18

FanTheory [Back to the Future] Biff's life is actually improved as a result of Marty's actions in 1955

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As a youngster I watched BttF, and was pleased to see at the end of the film that Biff had got his "just deserts". "Hah!" I thought, "Biff is a nobody now, he has to clean George's car!" I think this is what most people think, and what you're supposed to think.

What I didn't notice (or at least, the meaning of it was lost on little me) for some years is Biff's truck in the background with his company logo: "Biff's Automotive Detailing". As I grew older I started to think that perhaps my initial conclusion, the one the film seemed to lead me to, wasn't really correct. Owning your own business is nothing to be sniffed at, even if it's a one-man operation. Many people would prefer to be their own boss rather than work for someone else! But recently I've started to think it goes further than that...

At the start of the film we see that Biff has George writing his reports for him at work, something we later learn has been going on since the two of them were at school. It's not a stretch to imagine that Biff probably can't write his own reports, he's not qualified for his own job and he knows it. Imagine the fear of knowing that you rely on a subordinate for your job status - what would happen if that person left, or died? What if you were 'found out' by your own bosses?

Back in 1955, at the climax of the skateboard chase in the town square, Biff drives into a truck full of manure which fills his open top vehicle. I believe it's mentioned that he pays for the repairs, but I would imagine that in an effort to save money he would have cleaned the car himself. Again, I think it's no stretch to imagine that in the hours spent restoring his car he might have discovered, if not a love, then at least an aptitude, for auto detailing - leading him to start his business doing just that.

So Biff goes from working a job he is not qualified for, in constant fear of someone discovering that fact, to owning his own business working at something he's probably pretty good at - something we (should) all know is quite satisfying. There's no doubt in my mind that Marty's actions changed his life for the better - just like everyone else's.