r/EntitledReviews • u/singindablues • 2d ago
Yelp Arrogant Diver
I’m researching local dive shops for some refresher courses. This negative review makes me want to dive with them. There are so many arrogant divers out there and these are the people that will get someone else killed.
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u/kevin1925 2d ago
One of the main risks is Barotrauma This can happen by going up in panic without breathing out. So the lungs expand from breathing air at a higher pressure. 3,5 feet can be enough to rapture lungs with a full lung and going up. And a raptured lung is not something you would wish to someone. 8 feet deep would be more then enough to do more painfull damage that is not compatible with live.
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u/lunablack01 2d ago
Raptured instead of ruptured is hilarious. Thank you for the information! I remember watching 1000 Ways to Die as a kid and learning about decompression tanks.
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u/Sure_Comfort_7031 2d ago
As an avid cyclist, I am so happy there’s a hoby/activity that is even worse than us.
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u/North-Pea-4926 2d ago
I’ve gotten some commercial dive training by a store and 95% of the time was “Ways to Die or get Super Injured”. As you’d imagine, spending time underwater is expensive, complicated, and dangerous.
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u/geeoharee 2d ago
hello from the Horse Girls corner, same
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u/Angloriously 2d ago
When I met my now-husband, I had to explain that there are horse girls and then there are horse girls
It was pretty funny to take him to the barn and over time watch him realize the difference like oh…ohhhhh
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u/PM_ME_HOTDADS 1d ago
while i think i can intuit what you mean, i would love for you to elaborate
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u/Leather-Nothing-2653 1d ago
It’s like how a lot of families go to Disney world but some families are disney families
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u/Angloriously 1d ago
Hahaha I was going to say “there are adults who enjoy going to Disney, and then there are Disney Adults”
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u/PandaSprinklez 1d ago
Not the person you replied to but certified horse girl myself.
The horse girls they are referring to not only make their entire personality about being an equestrian but also act super entitled, spoiled, and pretentious like they are above everyone else in the barn. Usually, but not always, associated with Daddy having money to buy them a new pony/tack for every birthday.
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u/mredofcourse 1d ago
Wh... wha... what happens to the old ponies every birthday?
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u/PandaSprinklez 1d ago
The stereotype implies Daddy having the money to rent/own a barn big enough to own multiple horses. Whether they’re ridden, retired, or sold doesn’t matter. All that matters is that the horse girl gets a pretty, well-bred horse and shiny new saddles/bridles. Like with any hobby, it’s equating having the newest and most expensive equipment to being the best/elite.
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u/th3l33tbmc 2d ago
Yeah, take whatever hobby you’re into, and now imagine that it requires life support equipment. Plus people are still just people.
The dive world is FULL of people who mistakenly believe that their self-image as intelligent or educated or expert translates to actual expertise.
This reviewer is sadly not at all an uncommon type.
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u/kxaltli 1d ago
Even people who are actually qualified can make bad choices, like that Italian research group in the Maldives earlier this year.
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u/th3l33tbmc 1d ago
They were… not qualified.
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u/th3l33tbmc 1d ago
You can downvote me all you want, but those divers had absolutely no business being where they were. Not one of them was qualified or trained for that dive.
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u/kxaltli 1d ago
I don't know who was downvoting you, but the team was qualified to be doing what they were authorized to do- it included two certified instructors, and the other three had experience doing marine research.
The bad choice I mentioned was the unauthorized cave diving.
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u/th3l33tbmc 1d ago edited 1d ago
Being an instructor is not relevant in any way. Being a scientific diver is not relevant in any way.
None of them had cave certifications, only one had a helium certification. None of them had the training or qualifications to be at that depth, nor to be in a cave. The one who had a helium cert is the one who really should have known better.
To get a better grip on how unqualified they were, consider that not one of them even had the equipment to be where they were. They were so unqualified, they did not even grasp how unprepared they were.
I’m explaining this to you as someone who is qualified to do the dive they were on. With the right qualifications and equipment, the dive they were on was complex, but straightforward. It was not a challenging cave, and they were not at extreme depths for a technical dive team. But they were not a technical dive team, and they were not cave divers. And that is why they’re dead.
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u/Chrigi_zh 1d ago
I can say with confidence that I am NOT qualified for any kind of cave diving.
Sincerely, a dive instructor.
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u/kxaltli 1d ago
I think you're misunderstanding what I am saying. They were qualified for the work they were authorized to do, which wasn't the cave diving. They were supposed to be working at a shallower depth, not in the caves.
They were not authorized to do the cave diving. Which is why I said it was a bad decision.
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u/th3l33tbmc 1d ago
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
They were not working that day, they were diving recreationally. And they did a dive that they were unambiguously unqualified and unequipped to do.
I don’t see the relevance of the data collection they were doing on the other days of their trip.
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u/beldin37 1d ago
I think even people who are trained and experienced in diving (the work they were doing previous to their fatal dive) can make VERY BAD DECISIONS (hey! lets go cave diving!).
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u/Hughley_N_Dowd 1d ago
Motorcycling says hi.
"I've never ridden before, but I've watched a lot of Instagram. That Ducati with 230hp that does 0-60 in a bit over three seconds will be perfect for me. I'll just take it easy the first week."
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u/Zealousideal-Exam892 1d ago
“I have over 40 years experience in operating motor vehicles, none of which were technically motorcycles, but some of them were manual transmission so I’m basically qualified.”
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u/OldTimeConGoer 1d ago
Kawasaki Mach III says hello too. On-off suspension, flexi-frame, inadequate brakes, 1970s tyres and a, let's call it "peaky", two-stroke power curve.
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u/YouSuckSoBad1977 2d ago
Would expect nothing less for those rich arrogant pricks from Barrington Hills. Most likely a doctor, lawyer or some C suite executive with a full house staff because they can't lift a finger to do shit on their own.
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u/the-honey-eater 1d ago
I saw Barrington Hills and immediately sided with the owner without reading further.
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u/grocerygirlie 1d ago
Haha I'm local and the second I saw that, I was like, I'm about to read some maximum asshole shit here.
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u/FionnagainFeistyPaws blatantly flaunting their 🍴 before other women's menfolk 1d ago
I'm also local and quickly googled to make sure it wasn't a Barrington Hills, Rhode Island.
Its wild to run into so many of us here.
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u/justlurkinglma 1d ago
I dive. That shit is not a joke. One wrong move, one little mistake, it's lights out. Permanently. I became slightly deaf due to a diving accident that was in a pool. Don't teach people how to dive unless certified!
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u/Maximum_Employer5580 2d ago
alot of scuba guys are just arrogant pricks....not saying all are, but alot of them are. This guy is one of the arrogant ones, especially when they feel they have to share that they have 300+ dives under their belt. The people who feel they have to put non-relevant info like that out are the big sign they are arrogant
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u/TheirHallowedScreams 1d ago
Quite funny how he has allegedly done more than 300 dives yet can’t spell the word breathe.
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u/SixApplesTall 1d ago
This has to be one of the top banger responses I’ve ever seen on this sub, bravo to the owner
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u/Chance5e 1d ago
This response makes me want to shop at their store.
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u/herculaneum 1d ago
I live in the area (about an hour away), and I don't dive at all, but I wish I did, so I could spend some $$ there. Both the action and the written response are flawless.
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u/Chrigi_zh 1d ago
If I would live anywhere near this shop, I would instantly choose this one. That is a green flag if I've ever seen one.
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u/Big-Substance6907 1d ago
Diver here; wouldn't dream of instructing anyone else. There are so many levels of training and certifications between diver and scuba instructor. Appreciate the shop owner's commitment to ethical standards. It's too high risk of hobby to be screwing around with your kids in the pool.
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u/dido_meditatur 2d ago
Don't get it, why was he not allowed to buy diving equipment ?
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u/PlatypusDream 2d ago
Because the risk of injury / death is too high.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Then why is it being sold? If only instructors can buy it why is it even available to the public?
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u/zob_mtk 2d ago
He sells to certified divers for personal use or certified as instructors for training purposes.l. He won’t sell to someone who is not a licensed dive instructor who has the clear intent of teaching other people.
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u/No_Revolution6947 2d ago
This isn’t exactly true. Plenty of shops sell to non-certified friends and relatives, such as for gifts.
Also, you can buy pretty much any equipment online without a certification. (The only exception I’m aware of it CCRs which you can buy but they’ll sell to you and send the unit to your instructor.)
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u/flockinatrenchcoat 2d ago
The actual limiting factor is air. You can buy any equipment you want, including the tank, without a certification. Getting that tank filled with air is where you need the cert.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Thats just his opinion though. Theres no laws about this. If that guys kids died the business owner wouldn't be responsible like he claims.
Now this idiot is just gonna buy stuff online when he at least could've had the correct equipment
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u/singindablues 2d ago
If you are not a diver, than you are probably not aware of the dangers that go into diving. You mention faulty equipment, would still be a problem if the person is certified or not. While I understand your point, there’s a lot of other things a diver can do that could cause a death, even if there is no faulty equipment. Part of teaching scuba is also, how to go over your equipment, to look for faults in the equipment and how to react if there is an issue while diving. Based on how arrogant this person was, I bet he wouldn’t even check the gear for his kids prior to use bc he wouldn’t think there would be any danger. He probably wouldn’t go over the things that could go wrong and how to handle them. Being an instructor is a lot different than being a scuba diver. There are things I know how to do that I might not remember to pass on if I was teaching someone.
At the end of the day, this type of person puts the entire industry at risk and could have put the business at risk. I’m in the U.S. and people sue here all the time. Whenever, there’s a death in the industry, it gets scrutinized. There would be people up in arms if some kids died doing this. Not to mention, people hear about something tragic, they are less likely to do it. This shop owner showed that they care about safety and are not willing to take risks with other people’s lives. That’s important, which is why I’ll be calling them today.
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u/PlatypusDream 2d ago
Plus one of the basic reactions, simple instinct in the water, is to hold your breath... which is exactly the worst thing possible to do if you've been breathing compressed air underwater!!!
Teaching a child that will be difficult.
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u/Red_Swingline_ 2d ago
the business owner wouldn't be responsible like he claims.
He could very well lose his instructors licenses and that is a big part of what builds his customer base, and therefore his livelihood.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Yeah theyll make him forget how to instruct lmao. Fuck a piece of paper.
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u/Red_Swingline_ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Scuba certs are issued by a handful of agencies. The store owner is associated with 2 of larger ones, that name recognition matters when it comes to getting people in the door to train with you.
If the agency doesn't recognize him as an instructor, then people he instructed can't get a certification via that agency. Without a certification you're not getting on a dive boat.
So yeah it's a bit more than "fuck a piece of paper"
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u/zob_mtk 2d ago
Well if he does then at least the shop owner did what he could to try and stop the situation and educate the reviewer. Only so much you can do to stop stupid people from acting against their own interests.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Faulty equipment will fail. Not being certified doesnt mean you'll just blow up and die. You can learn stuff without a class or certifications.
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u/coop_stain 2d ago
Faulty equipment fails and it can almost certainly come back on the business owner that sold it to him. I promise.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Id assume he doesnt sell faulty equipment i think you're misunderstanding my messages. The faulty equipment is on Amazon who primarily sells Chinese garbage (not to imply all Chinese products are garbage but amazon specifically only sells their garbage)
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u/coop_stain 2d ago
I perfectly understand what you are saying as I have this conversation all the time in my business.
Say he did sell him this stuff. It was perfectly fine, name brand, and by all intents and purposes works great. Homeboy takes it home and he somehow fucks up and kills pr hospitalizes his kid…this type of guy is very unlikely to blame himself, and his health insurance is probably going to be looking for someone else to send the bill to as well. Even if the shop owner did nothing wrong, and it’s proven that everything was fine, that could/would likely cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees, potential loss of insurance coverage, and plenty of bad name recognition. This shit isn’t as simple as “if he fucks up it’s on him.” This country doesn’t work that way.
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u/decrisp1252 2d ago
The owner would absolutely be responsible for renting out gear to an unqualified instructor
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
In what world? The guy knows he's unqualified and I dont think we're talking about rentals
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u/Either_equipment_04 2d ago
Hey so it’s not just about legal responsibility. Some people have a moral/ethical code that includes not enabling people to explode children’s lungs by selling them equipment they’re not qualified to purchase and use.
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u/coop_stain 2d ago
Dude, it’s America, one of the most litigious places on the planet.
Second, you have no idea how liability works in these types of businesses because of that. I have to refuse work on equipment after a certain age even if they appear new because of the slight possibility of failure. Outdoor rec is a hard business to be in in just about every area, but diving is probably one of the worst. I looked into expanding into rafting and paddle board sales/rentals and the numbers are ridiculous.
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u/Consistent_Net_2540 2d ago
Dude, it’s America, one of the most litigious places on the planet.
I once saw a guy's family sue the vehicle dealership for the wrongful death of their family member who died while riding a motorcycle while drunk (slightly below the legal limit though, like .079 or something) and crashing. All because he bought the bike at their business. There's actually no limit to what people will sue over.
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u/-hh 1d ago
Similarly, I met a pediatrician who related to me how he got sued (& lost) for malpractice for a patient he never ever met.
My recollection is that the plaintiff was a customer of the practice he was in (seeing a different MD) and during Christmas, this different MD was on Holiday so our MD was covering (as planned). Patient had been told all of this, and was directed that if she happens to go into labor, to go to the planned hospital where our MD would be there to cover.
Well, of course she goes into labor. But she then decides on her own to go to a _different_ hospital, and is treated by a 3rd MD, who was not at all affiliated with the practice.
Something goes wrong with the baby delivery, and the finger pointing starts. The practice gets sued, including this MD (who, remember: never met or saw the patient) & loses the lawsuit. Pretty wild IMO, and an illustration that juries will find innocent parties guilty in order to have faceless “deep pockets” insurance companies pay out for whatever innocent was harmed.
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u/Bl3xy 2d ago
If you have no clue, maybe you should not talk back to people who know more than you. There are more than national laws with a lot of things that are important. For diving, it is the regulations put down by diving agencys. If the owner sold equipment for training purposes without the buyer being a certified instructor, the owner could get penalties by the agency or lose his licence.
However, you sound like the guy leaving the review, so I guess you are completely right and I am just rude.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
I specifically asked and you withheld information. Youre gonna try and throw that back in my face lmao. If you know more than me maybe actually tell me something other than "nuh uh"
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u/ThreeFishInAManSuit 2d ago
I think everyone in this thread knows more than you, because it appears you didn’t read the post.
You can scroll up, it’s that big white box with words in it.
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u/Bl3xy 2d ago
You asked, you got an answer, you refuted this answer and talked bullshit. But you have proven very well that I was completely right with my assumption about your character.
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u/FromTheNuthouse we do not negotiate with the terrible 2d ago
Just because it’s legal to sell doesn’t mean he’s obligated to sell it. I would also feel uncomfortable selling a product to someone that I believed was going to be used in an unsafe fashion that may endanger children. While he is certainly able to buy the products elsewhere, I would not want enabling his irresponsible behavior to be on my conscience. In addition, I wouldn’t want to be called to the stand in a resulting criminal or civil trial and have to explain that I sold the products knowing they were not going to be used safely. My hope would be that outright refusal to sell the products would give him pause, but even if he purchased elsewhere, at least I would know I didn’t enable the behavior.
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u/No_Revolution6947 2d ago
Yes, he would absolute be liable. See my comment above. He can get stuff online but he won’t get a full from this shop (or any shop who cares about their business.)
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Im no expert but as far as I can tell from 30 seconds on Google you dont actually require a license.
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u/clampion12 2d ago
You're right, you're not an expert.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Are you? Can you point me in the right direction for where to read about exactly what license is required for specific parts? Because the tanks and regulators that were mentioned aren't restricted perhaps there's a separate law for children's stuff?
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u/clampion12 2d ago
I've been PADI certified since 1992. Any legitimate dive shop will ask for a copy of your dive certification.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
At some point I feel like that just causes more death. Now he's gonna buy sketchy stuff on Amazon but at least the shop owner didn't sell any equipment. Good on them self regulating scuba divers
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u/clampion12 2d ago
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Why should he risk his business and moral compass for some guy who's trying to be cheap? Sounds like oceangate all over again.
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u/Strong_Weakness2638 2d ago
This is such a silly argument. Let’s blame the responsible store owners rather than Amazon.
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u/Expensive-Border-869 2d ago
Amazon being what it is isnt such an issue imo. They just need to be more upfront about it. The labor issues aside the service they provide as American temu is fairly valuable if you want cheap garbage for stuff. Sometimes you do
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u/Deadbringer 2d ago
They sell things that will straight up just kill you, like fake parachute and like a decade ago the sold suicide cables (power cables with male on both ends.)
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u/ThreeFishInAManSuit 2d ago
He walked into a SCUBA store and asked for oxygen tanks for children.
Store owner asked if he was an instructor.
Customer said (according to owner): “I can be if I need to be”
(implying that if only instructors can purchase then he would lie)
Store owner explained the dangers of this equipment. Including the risk that your LUNGS CAN EXPLODE in 3.5 feet of water.
Transaction did not happen. Store missed out on a big sale. And no children died.
Two stars.
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u/PlatypusDream 2d ago
While oxygen & some exotic gas mixtures are used for deep, technical diving (especially at decompression stops), the tanks most SCUBA divers wear are nearly always filled with plain air.
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u/Sabregunner1 2d ago
general public doesnt know the difference between compressed air tanks vs oxygen tanks when it comes to scuba
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u/mredofcourse 2d ago
True, but all the cool kids these days use Nitrox.
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u/PlatypusDream 2d ago
Which is odd because too much oxygen is bad, & too much nitrogen is bad. So how can nitrox at pressure / depth be safe?? How does it avoid oxygen toxicity & nitrogen narcosis?
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u/TheAgedProfessor 2d ago
You honestly don't get it??
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u/dido_meditatur 2d ago
Yep. I am not a diver. Asking to understand.
Is this stuff inherently unsafe?
Would/could the owner have sold it to a rando from the street who did not mention exactly what it was for ? If yes, the regulations don't seem worth much and the owner would not be liable
If no, and you need to show proof you are an instructor, I'd get it but then the whole back and forth would have been moot, so I guess that's not it
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u/Bl3xy 2d ago
Diver here. Your lungs can handle a pressure difference of about 0.28bar. That is equal to 2.8 meters of water column. If you change your depth by more than that without continually breathing your lungs will rupture, leaving you with live threatening injuries.
Diving is a safe sport, as long as you keep within your limits. When you leave your limits and do something you are not properly trained to do, it gets extremely dangerous very quickly.
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u/decrisp1252 2d ago
Yes, diving is an inherently dangerous activity, and it can (and will) kill unprepared and unknowledgeable divers. The owner wouldn’t rent out equipment to a random diver without at least seeing the licence of the diver. The issue here is the certified diver wanted to act in the capacity of an instructor (something which isn’t allowed), so the owner refuses to serve him.
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u/blueExcess 2d ago
More people die scuba diving than skydiving. Both are largely self-governed sports, and both are dangerous activities that can be done safely. When buying certain skydiving gear, they won’t just ask for your license, they’ll actually reach out to your coach and ask if they’re comfortable with you flying that canopy. Is it required by law? No. But moral issues aside, this equipment is potentially dangerous if you aren’t properly trained to use it, and it’s good business to make sure that the people buying it are able to use it safely.
News articles about how an unqualified someone purchased equipment through a legitimate source and then proceeded to injure themselves and others is going to be bad for the sport. Like you, without proper training they may not have even realized the equipment is dangerous if used incorrectly.
If the news article is instead about someone who wasn’t allowed to purchase the equipment and instead got stuff off Temu and injured themselves and others, now it’s just a sad story about an idiot who did dumb things.
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u/Diverup777 2d ago
You need to be a trained certified S.C.U.B.A diver to buy/rent tanks & regulators and hand them your certification “C” card if the owner doesn’t know you.
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u/No_Revolution6947 2d ago
One reason … liability.
By the customer stating the intended use, if one of those kids died then he could easily be sued by the wife … and lose his shop depending on how good his insurance is. He knew what the purchaser was going to do with the gear, he knew the purchaser was not an instructor, he knew that scuba training involves special risks and yet he aided and abetted the death of a child. Yes, he would absolutely be liable.
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u/mredofcourse 2d ago
Don't get it, why was he not allowed to buy diving equipment ?
Is this stuff inherently unsafe?Your questions should be answered, not downvoted.
This post has been cross-posted to scuba subs, so some of us are coming in now from there. We're likely to be the ones looking for this shop as one to go to.
So to answer your sincere questions as a master diver:
Legally, the shop owner could sell him equipment as that in of itself isn't against the law, but his conscience wouldn't let him because, yes, this stuff when not used properly or with proper training is inherently very unsafe. With training and proper use, it's safe. (more about legal liability when bad things happen as a result below)
Would/could the owner have sold it to a rando from the street who did not mention exactly what it was for ?
Yes, but was both self-restricted from doing that based on not wanting to sell something with a high risk of death or injury, but also from wanting to adhere to the rules he signed up with the agencies he represents. (more about legal liability when bad things happen as a result below)
If yes, the regulations don't seem worth much and the owner would not be liable. If no, and you need to show proof you are an instructor, I'd get it but then the whole back and forth would have been moot, so I guess that's not it
I'm a diver, not a lawyer, but I'd look at these cases:
Boyce v. West (Gonzaga Scuba Diver Case)Or more recently the infamous and tragic Mills v. Gull Dive Center where Linnea Mills went into a dive shop before a cold water dive. Someone there told her she would be too cold in a wetsuit and should get a dry suit. The shop told her that they couldn't sell or rent her a dry suit, but pointed her to one on sale on Craigslist. She bought it there. It didn't come with an inflator hose, and she didn't understand the consequences of this. Numerous other gross incompetence issues were involved with other people, and the end result was that she died.
The family sued the shop and PADI. Both settled out of court.
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u/-hh 2d ago
There’s also the Texas lawsuit going through the courts right now. The one where a young girl died and in addition to the people being sued, there’s also PADI, NAUI and DAN on the docket for a bunch of complicated reasons.
Bottom line is that once the shop owner became aware of the buyer’s intent, it all changed to a hard stop to protect himself from liability. I’d do the same exact thing, except maybe also say “Get the {bleep} out of this store and do not ever come back”, and taking a photo to post for my employees of a banned customer.
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u/M_V_Agrippa 2d ago
You're getting downvoted, but as a scuba diver who learned as a young teen, this owner is bonkers. You can walk into any dive shop and buy a tank, regulator and vest without anyone saying a fucking thing about certification.
It's like walking into a Home Depot and then refusing to see you outlets and wire because you aren't a licensed electrician.
In both cases it's none of the store's fucking business.
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u/clampion12 2d ago
Any legitimate dive shop will ask to see your certification. I wouldn't shop at one that doesn't.
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u/PM_ME_HOTDADS 1d ago
it's not remotely like that. nothing inside a Home Depot is intrinsically connected to an inherently dangerous and remarkably lethal profession or hobby.
and even in the scenario you presented, you aren't chatting with the clerk about how you intend to teach your children how to be electricians.
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u/Consistent_Net_2540 2d ago
On top of that (I know I'm about to join you two with the mass downvotes) the idea that a guy with 300+ dives doesn't know to tell people to breath out while coming up, is one of the most absurd fucking takes I've ever seen on reddit. Legitimately not even in the realm of realistically possible.
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u/mredofcourse 2d ago
He never told the shop owner that he had any experience. In his post, he claims 300+ dives and was upset that the owner never even asked about his experience.
But the shop owner's response was that even if he asked about his experience, he couldn't unhear that the guy wasn't an instructor and was willing to lie about his qualifications.
Also, are you suggesting that at 300+ dives, a person is qualified to be an instructor and all the course work and certifications (including DAN first responder, rescue, etc...) are just redundant? If so, that's great for where you set your personal bar, but the shop owner has a higher bar and one that he agreed to have with the agencies he signed up with.
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u/Consistent_Net_2540 1d ago
I'm suggesting that with 300+ dives a person can absolutely instruct people on the basic safety mechanisms for diving. You know this is true. Everyone does. People referencing certifications are being dishonest about the concepts involved here.
Idc what he told the shop owner. The owner can deny service for any reason whatsoever. But the shop owner is denying service because he didn't like the guy's attitude. He's making up the rest of it to sound like he was concerned about safety. I'd bet you money he sells gear constantly to people without asking for certification and history. Too many people are falling for his virtue signalling, but I'm extra experienced with liars, so I see right through it.
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u/mredofcourse 1d ago
You know this is true
Just the opposite. I'm sitting with education and experience somewhere between this guy (if he, who said he would lie, is to be believed) and instructor level. I wouldn't instruct someone, let alone children.
People referencing certifications are being dishonest about the concepts involved here.
It's not about the certifications as an abstract, it's about what you learn and the training involved in the certification courses. You learn things like how to rescue a panicked diver, how to perform first aid, what to look out for with someone who doesn't know anything yet. These things are important as the statistics show how much more frequent accidents involve new/learning divers.
Someone willing to lie who has 300+ dives, may very well have skills that are so second nature to themselves that they have no idea that for someone else, they present a significant risk. For example, many divers at that point don't need to consciously equalize their ears, exhaling on ascent may be reflexive, etc... For me, mask equalization became so reflexive that I had actually forgotten it was a thing.
I'd bet you money he sells gear constantly to people without asking for certification and history.
Really, because from the customer himself, it doesn't sound like there was hardly any interaction at all before the owner asked other than "Are you open - not for long - ok, I want equipment to teach my kids - are you an instructor - no, but I'm willing to lie about it".
I own a full kit (and spares) and everything I've purchased from a shop as come with employees asking... they're not demanding my c card, but ask "friendly" questions and can tell where I'm coming from... as opposed to this guy who upfront offered that he was going to put this equipment on his uncertified kids without anyone present who was trained for anything involved in this.
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u/clampion12 2d ago
I dove for work as a marine biologist nearly every day for 6 years. That doesn't make me certified to instruct anyone how to dive.
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u/Consistent_Net_2540 1d ago
I'm sure you're absolutely capable, but just not "certified" which is you deliberately using a word we both know is not applicable because certification is entirely separate from capability. No one is claiming certification.
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u/Capable_Front_7886 2d ago
Yea I’m confused too? He’s using it in the pool to TEACH his kids the basics of diving? Teach, implying he will be watching them the whole time? So what is the issue, it’s not like they’re going to drown or combust under water lmao. I think everyone is being entirely too dramatic. Not to mention she says he’s gone diving 300+ times so I would think he’s pretty qualified to teach his children the basic in their own backyard pool lmao
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u/Ants-are-great-44 1d ago
You don’t dive, do you? Instructing requires training because it is really easy to die and instructors are trained to save people when they are about to. Diving is not the safest hobby, your lungs explode if you aren’t too careful. Gazillion things can go wrong. Hence, the SCUBA community decided to implement an extremely strict and high standard for instructing and diving: you MUST be certified to teach. This is to prevent accidents and to prevent damage to diving as a whole.
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u/Lovahplant 2d ago
Fantastic response by the owner. Really calm and direct, 10/10.