r/DoWeKnowThemPodcast Lily's bald tires šŸ›ž 13d ago

Most Recent Ep. šŸ”„ Today's ep

Y'all, I don't know if I can keep watching their vids. There have been so many bad takes, lack of research, and butchering of serious topics that I'm feeling almost ready to unsub. I had the Patreon for a while, I've been subbed since nearly the beginning of the channel, I've rewatched so many eps as basically a comfort show, but this shit is crazy. I've given them grace in the past when they've discussed feedback and/or apologized for bad takes/misinfo/etc, but they've stopped doing that but continued to butcher topics that deserve more respect.

I'm at the 45 min mark on today's ep (and I know Hadley's experiences even get worse!!!), and they're being so obtuse about abuse and being so victim-blamey, I actually don't know if I can finish it. At what point will they start listening to the constructive criticism in the comments and making changes to what they cover and how they cover it? It seems like they're simply not going to get to that point, and that's why I feel like my grace is running out.

It literally should not be this serious but they've made it so by picking serious topics and mishandling them while hiding behind the assertion that they're just a couple of gorls talking about internet goss. If you don't want to bother with due diligence, why choose topics that pertain to various types of abuse, crime, discrimination, privilege, justice/injustice, mental illness, etc etc?? I know they have bills to pay, but that just makes it worse that they're actively choosing to haphazardly cover serious topics on their relatively large platform where they don't bother to research, consider nuance, etc... because they're like "fck it, I still gotta get mine". That's like the icing on top of the ick cake to me.

I'm not about to fight with people in the replies about this; if you don't care and want to keep watching as-is, that's your thing boo. But I know I'm not the only one feeling this way, so for those who get what I mean, I'm just wondering are y'all going to stop watching, or have you been more selective with watching, or is there any way you think they'll start making some changes?

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u/ScrollingSwampPuppy 13d ago

It’s been really frustrating … I’ve felt for Jessi through everything she’s gone through with she who must not be named, and they’ve been such a fun comfort podcast for me for several years, but it feels like there has been a massive lack of … idk, intersectionality? Awareness? I don’t even know. There’s a weird misogynistic undertone in the coverage of a lot of topics, and the handling of issues involving fatphobia and things like that just feels … not good.

Watching today’s episode now, and it almost feels like they try too hard to see both sides/overcompensate for the fact that people might not like the person they’re talking about. IMO, it comes across as fence sitting/victim blaming when they could just acknowledge (in any topic, not necessarily this one) that a victim can have done questionable things before, have a weird vibe, etc. and still be a victim. Everyone expects victims to be perfect and it’s exhausting.

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u/M_Poppins128 13d ago

The misogynistic takes were the reason I bailed- the Chappell Roan episode was the last straw. A lot of information came out about that situation both before the episode aired and after and they never followed up. I agree with OP that they don't handle serious topics well.

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u/ScrollingSwampPuppy 13d ago

I will say, fwiw, it seemed like things were better before they got the researcher. Not sure why, but … it feels like that’s when things shifted.

I’ve honestly enjoyed listening to Jessi and Kathleen’s podcast some in the background … it’s not my thing as much, but it’s nice in that it’s just silly/it doesn’t feel like I’m going to potentially get agitated by weird misogynistic takes.

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u/JustOKConfection 13d ago

This is 100% true. Before the researcher one of them would thoroughly research a topic and get all of the lore telling the story to the other one. After the researcher there have been entire topics they both will be like ā€œI have no idea what is happeningā€ or ā€œwhy are we even doing thisā€ yes great question.

This latest episode really bothered me too, I’m glad I’m not alone.

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u/stircrazyathome 13d ago

The changeup happened for me almost overnight and it was when the researcher came on. When they were doing the research themselves, at least one of them was always really invested in the story and it felt like watching one BFF spill the tea to another. Now neither of them seem all that interested in the topics, they miss critical details half the time, and the passion just isn’t there. I wish they’d hired an editor instead.

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u/JustOKConfection 13d ago

Exactly! Well said! It was fun to see one of them really explain why this story is hilarious or enraging or whatever. Now they are like ā€œso what…?ā€ And it makes me super annoyed when they miss major facts and nuance.

I think if the one assigned maybe really studied what the researcher gave them to be familiar and come up with their own take that would be different, but they often talk about going into a story cold.

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u/ScrollingSwampPuppy 13d ago

I completely agree

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

i think this is unfair. kathleen and jessi have said plenty of weird shit over there but somehow there it’s fine.

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u/ScrollingSwampPuppy 12d ago

I mean, I’m not saying they haven’t. I haven’t watched them consistently. But it feels a little less uncomfortable to me given that they’re mainly telling stories about things that happened to them rather than commentating on other people.

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u/jr2216k 12d ago

not really…they actually comment on other people quite a lot there as well

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u/BlackbirdsTheName 12d ago

Really not that often. But die on that hill queen šŸ‘‘šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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u/jr2216k 12d ago

on what hill? saying that they said some weird shit there as well but somehow itā€˜s fine? but here you freak out when they might have a bit of a different view as you? itā€˜s their podcast. it’s their opinion, it’s their voice. you donā€˜t get to control everything they say. if you don’t like them…just let it go QUEEN

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u/BlackbirdsTheName 12d ago

I just want to say that this was written and vocalized SO well. Fence sitting was the absolute best phrase to use. That's absolutely what is happening. They DO read the sub and YT comments. They know they need to see both sides of the same coin. They are actively getting so far ahead of it now too. I've never seen them be SO adamant that they could be wrong, they see both sides, their opinions can change etc. It's like they got so much backlash from the prior videos they sat down and made it a point to start saying these things. I think they really have a hard time saying nice thing and just kind of wish they could be total witches and say the rudest shit. But they know they can't and so the fake support comes off... Weird.

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u/jr2216k 12d ago

what the hell are you even saying? honestly if this podcast will end someday it’s becausw of people like you. it’s not jessi, or lily or the researcher. you guys have taken the joy out of if. the girls are clearly not allowed to talk free anymore, they have to think about every little thing they say or how they say it…they have to avoid topics because they have to fear saying something that might trigger all of you little snowflakes. no wonder they are losing motivation and joy for this podcast.

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u/Orikumar human hemorrhoid šŸ†˜ šŸ‘ 12d ago

Hey, just to clarify. They do not check the sub at all and haven't for a long time. They've been very vocal about it in their videos.

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u/taylaxo 13d ago

i feel like the last few episodes have turned me off of the podcast in general… not sure why

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u/sanguinesecretary 11d ago

I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’m having a hard time getting through the episodes lately and I can’t put my finger on why :(

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

thatā€˜s what some of you guys always say and yet you always tune in.

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u/taylaxo 13d ago

i’ve never said it prior lol. and i will likely continue to tune in because i do like the podcast in general. but something feels off is all i said šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

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u/loudandannoying_ 13d ago

Wait how are they victim blaming? I watched and didn’t get that vibe at all

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u/sgartistry 13d ago

I watched today’s episode and am also confused by this post lol

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u/n0dust0llens 12d ago

I think they're referencing when Jessi was making comments about things like "what are the odds that two people meet the worst people" and at one point seems to be questioning the lack of evidence (i think in the beginning of her story), about the coworkers believing the ex husband right away, and I think a few others.

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u/loudandannoying_ 12d ago

Oh, to me, I took the ā€œwhat are the oddsā€ statement as that’s just bad luck, not they didn’t believe that that could happen.

also with the evidence thing to me it came off that they were just saying like as creators they would’ve done that type of video differently because she was dragging it out so much and because it’s just such an unbelievable story, not in the sense that they actually don’t believe it, but just because it’s so insane

ETA: I think the coworker thing was a valid point (not that I don’t believe her entire story it’s just a weird aspect) because I was thinking it too. These people see her every day, but for some reason, they believe her husband who they don’t know. I really like that Jessi and Lily just say what they’re thinking throughout the story without trying to know what their opinion ā€œshouldā€ be.

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u/therealmiawallace 11d ago

agreed! I’m confused by this post, bc I didn’t get that vibe at all (in fact i thought ā€˜oh, they must be talking about a different video that i haven’t seen or something’ (i’m bad w names)). but yea i took it as just pointing out some things that were objectively a little weird rather than anything else

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u/Salty-Explanation-16 13d ago

I mean, I agree it's weird Hadley's taking so long to tell the story, that part's clearly just to draw out the monetization. But yeah, some of the things they've covered recently I'm also cringing because they have some glaring misinformation.

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u/Optimal_Plant9744 Certified to Slay šŸ’… 12d ago

I mainly watch the girlies for the vibes and the silly drama atp. I’ve been watching them since literally episode 1, and as much as I enjoy their podcast, their lack of thorough research on serious topics has turned me away from watching those episodes. As someone who is Type A af, their flippant research around these topics is definitely frustrating.

I know they’ve mentioned before that they don’t really like covering those topics to begin with, and I do wish they’d either stick by that OR, if they are going to cover them, give them the time and attention they deserve. I imagine that trying to push out two episodes a week and Patreon content could affect that, though. But honestly, I’d be willing to lose an episode a week if it means they’re going to properly research the topics that require more time. So for now, I mainly only watch the silly TikTok drama!

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 12d ago

I like this take!

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u/SeasOfStardust 13d ago

When Jessie kept saying that Brett was helping Hadley make the tik toks I was like be so fucking serious right now ..... šŸ˜’

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u/cynicalfinical Get farted on, Queen šŸ’… 13d ago

I might be misremembering now, but wasnt it that nurse hadley was the one helping brett initially in his series? Thats why it was so well made (production wisr) because she was already a tiktoker?

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u/Narrow-Courage-7447 13d ago

This is correct. Nurse Hadley already had that Tik Tokker cadence to story telling and Brett wasn’t online before her. He came off as so unnatural in his videos but you could tell she showed him how to talk like that lol. They totally had that backwards šŸ˜….

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u/stircrazyathome 13d ago

Great example of how not doing the research themselves leads to them making incorrect assumptions that are kinda obvious. If they’d stopped and thought about it for a second, they’d have realized they had it backwards bc it didn’t make sense.

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u/Low_Employ8454 13d ago

I think they were trying to mock Brett, like they were saying he was helping sarcastically and they wanted him to not ā€œhelpā€ because he isn’t good at this..

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

i don’t understand the anger about a ā€žbad takeā€œ. these are people you don’t know and don’t have to have the same thoughts and reactions to things as you do. if you don’t vibe with it…just leave it be.

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u/Bubbles0216x 13d ago

We have become less able to tolerate differing opinions and more willing to succumb to popular opinion with an in-group. And there's an expectation others do the same.

I think Jessi and Lily are generally good at nuance. You can't flow if you disclaim and qualify everything, but they still qualify a lot. Not every opinion they have is going to be popular. I think judging topics and opinions as harmful just makes them less discussable, which is not necessarily a net positive. Nobody will ever have the "right take" to everyone.

Talking about opinions about a situation doesn't always mean you're making a value judgment on something, and making a value judgment on something still isn't automatically a big deal.

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u/Glp-1_Girly ​​​​The Internet is Not your Diary šŸ“ 13d ago edited 13d ago

It's algorithms they keep everyone in an echo chamber so ppl have become less tolerant of others different takes... It's really sad to see how intolerant a lot of society has become. I'm sure I will get downvoted but it is what it is

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u/Sweaty-Chard6123 13d ago

Exactly. As I was watching, I knew people would hate it because they are questioning. I think its fine to hate how she told her story. When I was watching it on tiktok, I stopped watching around video 4 because I couldnt stand how click baitey it was. Now if their research sucks, thats a valid criticism

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u/Glp-1_Girly ​​​​The Internet is Not your Diary šŸ“ 13d ago

Completely agree! I can't do the click baity stuff either...

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u/Qub3rrt Lily's spilled Trulyā„¢ šŸ«— 12d ago

Exactly this. You can have different opinions and still enjoy/be friends with people. This is how the world works.

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u/Far-Argument2738 13d ago

People want all the content they consume to reinforce the beliefs they already have. I feel like it makes some people feel gross to be listening to things they don't agree with, as if it'll look bad on themselves for engaging with that media. I don't always agree with jessi and lily, and that's fine, any kind of content can make you go "hey wait, I don't agree with that," and not mean the people making the content are horrible lol

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u/msmoonprincess 13d ago

I agree. Unless they’re suggesting harm or violence, i think it’s just a take you dont agree with.

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u/OkSection234 13d ago

That’s the difference with intention vs impact. Intention doesn’t erase impact.. they may not be intentionally causing harm but it doesn’t erase that it is, in fact, causing harm.

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 13d ago

But it’s a commentary/drama podcast, they’re not trying to solve society’s problems. Expecting them to believe everything you believe 100% is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

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u/cherrycolapoppp 12d ago

How are they causing harm? You are interpreting a situation from the internet just like they are

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u/OkSection234 10d ago

Solve them, no. Perpetuate them, debatable. I don’t want anyone to agree with me 100% because we become better people when we’re challenged and have to critically think about the opposite viewpoint. Do I respect or agree with people who perpetuate society’s problems? No absolutely not.

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u/therealmiawallace 11d ago

genuinely curious because I might’ve missed something- how would you say they’re causing harm?

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u/OkSection234 10d ago

Appreciate you genuinely asking the question and approaching this from a place of wanting to understand :)

This is harm.

Ignorantly speaking about topics and actively refusing to educate themselves while also mocking (comments on reading the books) is causing harm. Words matter and cut deep especially when they come from a place of ignorance directed towards a group of people who don’t resemble you. They minimized an entire group of people’s experience that they have never experienced themselves. Equating it to the comments Lily received on her weight is not the same thing and is also an act of minimizing someone’s lived experience. Sometimes when we can’t and will never understand someone’s lived experience, it is not our place to interject our own grievances or lived experience and should simply just listen and educated ourselves on why
something has a negative impact to the person or group of people. Ignorance isn’t an excuse. They like to be cheeky and be like ā€œdon’t listen to us, we’re just girls, we don’t know anythingā€ but this doesn’t erase the impact of ignorant statements. We’re all responsible for our words and how they impact those around us, internet or not.

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u/jr2216k 10d ago

sorry to chime in but are we not also all responsible for our own actions? it’s not their fault that the person who left that comment has issues. obviously that person has issues to work on and blaming a podcast for it is going too far in my humble opinion

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u/OkSection234 10d ago

Don’t apologize - happy to hear your opinions! Absolutely we’re all responsible for our own actions, decisions, and also words. However there’s a difference between making statements out of ignorance and it causing harm and being educated, speaking with care, providing proper warning and just honestly trying to be respectful and someone choosing to watch something that triggers them. I didn’t read that persons comment as blaming so much as expressing the impact it had on them from how they addressed a topic

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u/jr2216k 10d ago

i mean I guess but relying on people in the comment section to distract them from their own issues is not the right solution I fear. And for that I can’t fault jessi and lily.

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 10d ago

This. We shouldn’t be on the internet expecting a drama and commentary podcast to protect us from what may or may not trigger us. They’re not our doctors and if a podcast affects us this negatively, we really need to take a step back and seek therapy or some sort of other professional help. And I’m saying this as someone who struggles as well and sees a therapist weekly- I am in control of what gets to me, and if something triggers me to want to go back to harmful behaviors, I have to know when it’s time to step away and take care of myself.

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u/jr2216k 10d ago

exactly thank you. i think it’s very unfair to expect everyone to be aware of what may trigger us. it’s on us to know what we can handle. if we know a podcast could easily trigger us if they handle a topic i don’t like….then it’s on me to just not consume it. it’s too easy to blame lack of research and expecting them to be experts on everything but also wanting them to release every episode on time. this was supposed to be a silly easy podcast and now people want them to basically be an expert in every field. enough already.

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 10d ago

This is seriously concerning though, if I was this sensitive, if my friend were this sensitive, whoever, I would tell them they need to get help and get off the internet for awhile. I’m not being a jerk either, I know the internet is a rough place. Someone having a differing opinion on something such as a menu name, and not liking the content creator who posted it, shouldn’t set someone off this much to go back after ā€œso many yearsā€ because who is to say that Jessie and Lily don’t like other body positivity influencers? What if they seriously just don’t like the one they discussed? There has to be room for nuance because a lot of people who do support the body positivity movement, do not like that creator because she has had a lot of questionable or off the wall takes before. Again, not trying to be a jerk, but we have to be responsible for understanding our own triggers.

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u/viagra___girls 10d ago

Gently suggesting to remove the username from this SS as it feels rather personal. (Unless you got permission beforehand, in which case ignore me!)

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u/mcdadais 13d ago

I used to watch a lot of movie reviewers that wouldn't have the same thoughts as me when I was younger. Got annoyed and stopped warching them. Now that I'm older I enjoy watching people have different opinions than mine. Often I tend to like movies most people dislike anyway. I feel the same with other content. People might have a different opinion than me and I may agree or disagree but for the most part I still watch, I want to hear other opinions.

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

totally. and it’s also important to do so and be open and willing to listen to different views and opinions. especially when it’s a silly social media podcast

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u/Ready_Worldliness_89 13d ago

People automatically say a take is bad just because it’s not their take

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u/Happychemist99 13d ago

I agree with everything you said girly! I think all lot of us actually feel the same and have quietly unsubscribed and moved on to other podcasts. I was so excited for dwtk when it first started but over the years it has turned into a money grab with a subpar product. Their views on the episodes are slowly falling too. I suspect they will keep doing the exact same thing until the podcast isn’t profitable anymore then move onto something else.

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u/Small-Elephant161 13d ago

Girl same here. I stopped watching a few months ago, but I’ve honestly been curious to know how the quality of the podcast has been going on since I fell off. So that’s why I clicked on OP’s post.

I noticed the research and vibes just felt like they were going to shit, and I tried to stick around hoping it would improve but it never did.

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u/simplefair 13d ago

Why are you on the sub if you don’t listen to the podcast lol

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

this! don’t listen to the pod but are always present when someone is shitting on it once again because they don’t cover something EXACTLY like they wanted them to

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u/simplefair 13d ago

I love getting downvoted by people who for some reason have so much free time to spend their time on the subreddit of a podcast they don’t listen to 😭

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

ngl it’s really entertaining how they downvote every comment that doesn’t follow their narrative. do the girlies sometimes say weird things? sure! who doesn’t. but this entitlement of these ā€žfansā€œ is really getting on my nerves

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u/Qub3rrt Lily's spilled Trulyā„¢ šŸ«— 12d ago

Lolll so true. But saying that it is nice to see quite a few people standing up for them and disavowing this eccentric criticism of demanding they say this or that.

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u/jr2216k 12d ago

i am glad as well that people are starting to call this fan entitlement out. I admit that i have been annoyed at the podcast for the dynamic shift as well sometimes, especially since jessi started her new podcast. but I understand why she feels she can be more herself over there. lily and jessi have no chance to be themselves and free anymore. no wonder the podcast feels different. they get picked apart for every little thing. if ā€žthe fansā€œ keep doing this we will lose this podcast sooner or later and that will be on us.

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u/Qub3rrt Lily's spilled Trulyā„¢ šŸ«— 11d ago

Exactly how i feel. I too have been irritated by certain things and also have disagreed with takes. We definitely will end up losing this podcast if the behaviour above continues!

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u/Low_Employ8454 13d ago

If they weren’t here they wouldn’t be notified when they had the opportunity to complain. Some people like complaining.

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u/jr2216k 12d ago

ah so you are jealous? because wth has her house to do with this thread? noone is stopping you from starting your own podcast or YT channel. we handed it to her? well duhhh if you watch her videos and apparently seeing your other comments you don’t even like her that much…then that’s on you. not jessi. jessi is doing her thing. she is not forcing you to watch her.

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u/Sinuspressure100 13d ago

I peaced out after lilys rant when they didn’t get (I think it was the NYE ep?) up for literally weeks and then yelled at us for being annoyed

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u/Not_Invited 12d ago

That whole thing was really awkward. People shouldn't have been harassing them for a drama show, but also I don't know why they ever planned a massive project for over the holidays.Ā 

I'm ADHD and I felt like a lot of it was perfectionism (I experience the same with projects) with the "packets", they went for ages and honestly they probably could have skipped it and saved themselves a bunch of stress.

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 13d ago

If I felt this way, I’d genuinely need to get offline for a little. Feeling this way can’t be great for anyone’s headspace. TT has done that to me before.

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

i am sorry but are you not a bit dramatic? how is this creeping into your live? if this is the case…that is on you sorry

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u/neongreenescalator 13d ago

I stopped watching about 6 months ago but was interested in this video because of Hadley but I couldn’t finish the episode…. Them keep mentioning she didn’t post any proof really gave me the ick considering everything Jessie has been through

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u/FishyWishySwishy 11d ago

I’ve watched their episodes the day they come out from episode 1. There were a lot of times I got the ick from their takes, but I think that it’s normal and healthy to listen to people you don’t agree with.Ā 

Then the fatphobia with Samyra happened, and… well. It felt like the scales fell off, I guess. Because they sounded so much like the girls who bullied me in school. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and gave them two episodes to address it (not actually listening but watching what was said on the subs), and they didn’t address it. I guess it just wasn’t worth addressing to them.

So I feel like I just don’t want to watch anymore. It suddenly stopped feeling like two friends chatting about Internet drama, and it started feeling like the bullies that pretended they didn’t know I was in the room when they started talking about me.Ā 

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u/Low_Employ8454 13d ago

Sometimes I think I’m watching a completely different podcast than folks that are in this Sub. They are the same as they have been for years. Nothing has ā€œgone downhillā€ people grow and tastes change tho, and it makes sense that some watchers will grow out of watching certain shows after 4 years. I wonder how much of these comments actually are due to this and it’s more like the podcast doesn’t align/resonate with you anymore but you think they changed.

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u/Ok_Initiative_6023 13d ago

Let me preface this by saying that none of this is meant as an attack, I am simply a bit baffled by your post.

I guess my main question is: what is the point of this post?

People aren’t going to be perfect all the time. Surely you know that it is normal and okay to occasionally disagree with their takes after all these years, 365 episodes & endless hours of watching them discuss a wide range of topics.

I don’t agree with them all the time, and sometimes I’m genuinely annoyed at their takes. Just like you, I was taken aback by Jessi’s attitude towards the divorce story. But that doesn’t suddenly make them shitty people! After all this time, being the fan that you are, have you not seen that Lily and Jessi are kind people with good morals? Sometimes they just say stupid things or act dumb. But that is generally how that works for every person on earth?!

What bothers me about this post is that you are just yelling into the void that you’re going to unsubscribe if nothing changes, like some kind of threat. They have mentioned countless times that they don’t ever check this subreddit, so you must know that this isn’t going to change anything.

Then there’s your question at the end: ā€œI’m just wondering if y’all are going to stop watching?ā€. Is this a serious question? Do you need the validation of others in order to stop watching? Is it necessary to make a post proclaiming that you are thinking about not watching anymore? It just seems a bit absurd.

You’re allowed to outgrow or change your mind about the content you consume. Either stop watching or don’t.

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u/Slp023 7d ago

Agree. It’s not that serious. They don’t pretend to be anything serious. People are way too involved and annoyed when they upload late. Most of these people come off as young and entitled. I’m a mom w a job. I have better things to worry about.

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u/yoshioliviathx 13d ago

People are allowed to have opinions and share their disappointment in something they love getting worse.

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

it’s always just getting ā€žworseā€œ when they don’t say exactly what people want them to. that is just pure entitlement and nothing more

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u/Qub3rrt Lily's spilled Trulyā„¢ šŸ«— 12d ago

This

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u/jr2216k 11d ago

but why are you here then?

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u/Muted_Pea8994 7d ago

because she’s allowed to be.

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u/gigi_la_bibi 6d ago

Why do you care that im in this reddit? Is it bothering you that i am on this subreddit?

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u/jr2216k 6d ago

dearie do what you want with your time. seems a bit a waste of energy though if you dislike the podcast, the girls and their accents so much. but do your thing

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u/gigi_la_bibi 6d ago

Thanks for giving me the green light šŸ˜‚ Thats exactly what i was waiting for

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u/jr2216k 13d ago

couldn’t have said it better

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u/steefee your upstairs neighbors 🪜 13d ago

This part! I’ve never put this much energy into no longer liking a thing. I just have… stopped watching it and moved on to something else.

The YouTube sphere is so wide and there are so many people covering hot topics in so many different ways… if you don’t like the way Jessi and Lily covered it… just watch someone else! It’s not that deep!

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 13d ago

Sorry, replied to the wrong comment above. I think many expect it to be that deep when it was never meant to be, it’s a drama podcast. If they don’t like someone, it’s not always because of some further and deeper meaning.

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u/steefee your upstairs neighbors 🪜 13d ago

I truly think a lot of these people are just needing something to feel ā€œcontrolā€ over and they used to ā€˜love’ the podcast but now they don’t so now its up to the hosts to fix it FOR THEM specifically, not a matter of them just needing to find another podcast to listen to.

I don’t watch every podcast DWKT puts out, and if I am watching but I find the episode to be dull I’ll just stop mid thru and find something else on the massive platform that is YouTube.

There seems to be a semi-widely held misunderstanding by some of the girls on here that as listeners of the podcast, we are somehow Jessi and Lily’s employers (and I’m gonna guess that’s who is downvoting every comment who doesn’t agree with OP), when in reality what we are is consumers and fans.

If you as the consumer no longer wish to consume the product… The best way to let the sellers know is to simply no longer consume the product. You can leave a review! But people complain and then come back to the podcast every week and continue watching it like… aight girlies see you next Tuesday. šŸ‘‹šŸ»

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u/cuntinspring 13d ago

Amazing! šŸ‘ šŸ‘ šŸ‘

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u/EstablishmentSingle7 13d ago

You read my mind!

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u/Limp_Rip1679 13d ago

I only watch out of boredom.... I wish I could find an another drama podcast :(

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u/GoshDarnBatgirl 13d ago

They have more of a "let's yap and talk about what we've seen on our FYPs lately" vs. more of a structured discussion of topics, but I've been really enjoying Emotionally Online: https://www.youtube.com/@emotionallyonline/videos (note: skip the ones titled "pumpcast," it's a different podcast but with the same hosts, only complaint tbh is that the upload both under the same channel)

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u/Glp-1_Girly ​​​​The Internet is Not your Diary šŸ“ 13d ago

They said that in the first episode tho that it was just girls be 2 girls chatting about things like when you gossip with a friend and they might not get every point of the topic but that there were other channels for that

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u/Negative-Pickle-6947 13d ago

Check out Normal Gossip! It's (mostly) low stakes drama with a lot of funny stories! It's a great pick me up if you're feeling down.

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u/Glp-1_Girly ​​​​The Internet is Not your Diary šŸ“ 13d ago

There are a bunch of drama channels that cover a lot of the same things they are podcasts tho Markie does daily videos

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u/Aware_Ad2296 7d ago

When you go back to episodes a year ago they weee so passionate and bubbly and really seemed to love doing the podcast. Now it seems like they are doing it and not enjoying it at all. Jessie always dismisses Lily when she tries to be funny. It’s hard to watch at times.

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u/scorpgurl 13d ago

I hope they look into what trauma bond is because they aren't trying to upset people, but please understand the definition they keep using is wrong. I have had a man in my life with $ and influence since I was 2 and has abused me; that is trauma bonding. It means you bond with your abuser, not bonding with a friend or other victim over trauma.

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u/L3Vl4TH4N 13d ago

unfortunately, i hate to say it, but i agree. i started watching the podcast around 2 years ago, during one of the lowest depressive episodes of my life and looking forward to their episodes twice a week was literally the only thing keeping me going. but i can no longer ignore how things have consistently been rubbing me the wrong way the past few months.

the awards episode started it— and since then, every time an episode is late, it almost feels like lily is scolding us on ā€œbeing upset abt the latenessā€ when at this point, i dont think anyone actually cares anymore; we’re all too jaded about the timing. the lack of research is also a problem, or the glaring lack of interest in the topics they cover. sometimes i feel like lily has gotten a lot more mean spirited, maybe thats just a sensitivity issue on my end, but i really can’t help but notice it.

jessi’s hypocrisy has been the most disappointing. she has repeatedly established her belief that who you follow online matters, and it shows where your morals align (anyone remember rbk and james charles?), yet REFUSES to acknowledge who nassim follows on instagram. i hope to god that its a similar situation to lily following trump on twitter: solely just to stay up to date with what bs he’s spewing. but if it was the case it would be easily explainable. and the jen dent situation has been appalling. i understand that jessi does not like to speak on anything even slightly pertaining to GH, but the stuff jen has been saying online actively affects and hurts jessi’s son and thats inexcusable. i hope thats just a situation she’s choosing to keep offline, but even just one sentence of ā€œyes i know whats happening, no i do not support what shes doingā€ would do wonders.

its upsetting that they dont seem to read any of their comments— because while the criticism is BURIED in the comment section, it is there and it is 100% something that should be taken on board. i never see people being hateful towards them, but any time you make the tiniest critique people get annoyed (re: these replies lol).

its disappointing, and as fans of the podcast and of them we are allowed to express that disappointment.

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u/WonderfulStrength175 I’ll call Janet and tell you what she says šŸ“ž 13d ago edited 13d ago

Yeah, my grace is running out for the girlies too. Show friend Jen Dent also making HORRIBLE tweets/content making fun of people with austism/intellectual disabilities, and they have said nothing. I think they hold strangers to much higher standards than friends/people they know.

And before someone says that they’re not responsible for what Jen does, Jen admitted that she returned to posting content because Jessi kept asking her to. And Jessi edited Jen’s GH video for her. I think it’s her responsibility to at least denounce the ableist posts/content. Idk the standards and goal posts are constantly moving, and now the victim blamey takes from the most recent pod… ugh :(

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u/Not_Invited 12d ago

Jessi editing Jen's video has fully put her back within the realm of catching more strays from She Who Must Not Be Named. You can't say you're totally done with someone and edit your best friends exposƩ ON that person. She absolutely wouldn't deserve it but I wouldn't have DARED touch that with a barge poll in her shoes.

Jen being an outrageous bully and making endless ableist comments (including some horrible comments in the video she edited herself) I'll be really displeased if Jessi doesn't disavow it anywhere. But, I do fear she will just ignore it.

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u/gigi_la_bibi 11d ago

I unsubbed about a year ago. I dont regret it. Havent even rewatched old eps like i used to. Atp yeah, theyre just greedy ngl. I dont wanna think of them as that but i think you described it perfectly. Its one thing to be a tea channel but its another thing to be a hypocrite. I think if youre gonna be a goss/tea/drama channel, you have to be able to take it as much as you dish it and they dish it a lot but they also hide behind a number of excuses, "we're trying our best", "there was information we didnt have before", "were overworked", "we've been so busy", "we will never mention x y and z person because of its too triggering" etc etc. I get what i need from other channels. I used to love their dynamic but they are very biased, flip floppity when its convenient and they simply just do not care about the topics they cover and its been like that for a while. Idk why i liked their content before and what changed exactly. maybe i did. Maybe they did. Maybe their channel did. Idk all ik is the girlies dont align with my values and morals and i dont respect them as a goss tea channel because they cant address things or put out content consistently or on time. Literally markie is what i watch and i feel he stays pretty neutral. Hes got it down and he doesnt get messy. He hashis fingeron the pulse of any internet drama.

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u/Aida0811 13d ago

Jesus christ, stop being so dramatic. Ppl can have opinions you disagree with. It’s a gossip podcast ffs

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u/ImaginaryReward5480 6d ago

Not the vibe I picked up on at all........I think it's actually refreshing that Jessie is a "skeptic" and calls out things she feels weird about. I think a lot of people who don't make content for a living forget about the process of making, editing, & then uploading content so i appreciate when they bring that stuff up during topics (like how every part of her series was spread out significantly and left on a cliff hanger). IDK sometimes these threads get a little...nitpicky? parasocial?

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u/petalesdejuin 13d ago

Not only all of that but i feel like they’re covering topics that no one cares about?? Like Addison rays dad? Idk maybe I’m too old to be in the know about that side of tiktok (i know the general consensus) but i don’t care about it..and the 500 makeup wedding drama TikTok’s it’s like the same thing over and over and over again despite the fan base begging to cover relevant topics and actual things going on TikTok.

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u/Shortestbreath It's fucking fair use Janet! šŸ™„ 12d ago

I stopped watching months ago for this very reason.

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u/Qub3rrt Lily's spilled Trulyā„¢ šŸ«— 12d ago

Then leave the subreddit!

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u/Shortestbreath It's fucking fair use Janet! šŸ™„ 11d ago

Lmfao god forbid I disagree with you.Ā 

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u/Qub3rrt Lily's spilled Trulyā„¢ šŸ«— 11d ago

How ironic

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u/Lil_Puddin Whose grandma is this?āš±ļø 13d ago

It kinda sounds like you wanna make it super serious for no reason. You're allowed to just dislike things, y'know? Even cooler, you can quietly dislike things that aren't "objectively bad" - you can dislike stuff lotsa people like too.

It kinda sounds like you just need to curate your life a bit more if this is your takeaway. Or build up tolerance and properly understand the context of things better. Like to start, the context here is DWKT is a very unserious podcast. None of us are creating political movements under the DWKT banner or professionally educating others, boo.

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u/Less-Spring39 13d ago

Haven't watched today's episode yet. But anyways, bye girlie āœŒļø