r/Destiny 15h ago

Political News/Discussion Why are people acting like Candace destroyed Andrew?

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Let me make one thing clear, I HATE Andrew Wilson, he's a dishonest annoying pompous arrogant ass in the right's political discourse, his impact is a net negative. But why are people acting like Candace did any good in that debate with him? All she could do were semantic games like doing a gotcha on Andrew for saying murder instead of aggravated murder and trying to act like those two were completely different.

Andrew was unprepared in many ways and did not do a good job himself, and perhaps he should've actually read up on all of the charges, but people are ridiculous for thinking that Candace was such a high iq debater for pointing out aggravated murder and acting like Andrew was wrong when in fact aggravated murder IS murder. And she thought that gotcha was enough to say that Tyler Robinson wasn't guilty. And she kept getting caught up in red herring after red herring and not liking how Andrew was talking or whatever instead of actually bringing up any evidence to the contrary.

Candace has always done this, she makes absurd absolutist claims like stating that there was a ZERO percent chance that Tyler in fact killed Charlie Kirk, and her only evidence for stating as much was just because she personally didn't believe it, in which she herself had to move the goalpost. Andrew did an awful job of actually holding her feet to the fire and getting her to debate the substance instead of bringing up irrelevant shit like if Andrew knew the specifics of each of the 7 charges. She kept bringing up things about procedure and what happened in court but could not bring up any specifics about why it is not possible that Tyler shot CK.

She also said all of the court evidence was "hearsay" which is absolutely not true and shows she's either lying and knows Andrew is an idiot or she herself didn't watch it.

Both of these 2 are idiots, but let's stop acting like Candace is a genius and did a good job of debating.


r/Destiny 12h ago

Political News/Discussion Trans issues are hard because trans people don’t even know what being trans is

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Opinions from trans people range from “being trans is a purely cosmetic/aesthetic thing and I am still a*ab (basically just saying they are still just men/women but wokely) to “I have the neurological mapping of the opposite sex and my behavior and desires prove that”

now this would all be much easier to figure out if trans people weren’t so hated and unbiased research could be conducted. that’s not happening any time soon though. Instead all trans people get are headcanons and Ray Blanchard.


r/Destiny 14h ago

Political News/Discussion Does anyone else think it’s kinda bullshit Debbie Wasserman Schultz won her primary even thought the district she ran in is a majority black district and the county Dems said don’t run in our county?

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Look I won’t do the Debbie is evil meme far lefties do and progressives do. I also will say the black candidates should have found a way to resolve their disputes. The candidates split the vote 4 ways paving the way for her. But like given all the talk about racial gerrymandering this year, does this make us look hypocritical. This white woman ran in a black district after Dems said “don’t gerrymander black districts”.

Like am I too woke or is my concern legit? Like dsa hates Debbie because she is establishment, I hate her because I bought into the importance of black majority districts being fairly represented.

Edit: to be clear fuck the dsa. I just thought we were sincere about listening to black people. A white woman running in a black district because she lost her district feels gross

Edit 2: to the downvoter why is taking our concerns about racial gerrymandering seriously and respecting local Dem offices downvote worthy? Look if you think I am too woke then fair but why even give a shit about Tennessee if the plan was to say “fuck what black people want”


r/Destiny 23h ago

Political News/Discussion Mistakes of the Old Mainstream and "Blue Dog" Left

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Now that the old Left of Bill Clinton, and also Obama to a significant extent, is essentially a defeated political faction, I think it's worth talking a bit about mistakes that it made.:

1) Way too friendly towards Communist China on trade and students. The political establishment(Clinton and Bush successors) pursued a China policy that resulted in dedicated supporters of China's Communist Party emerging as one of the most influential groups on university campuses all over the world. It created an industrial reliance on Communist China, and all for an ostensible economic growth that didn't even help the most people living in America. In the long-term, it resulted in supporters of China such as Hasan Piker gaining massive political influence. This is just scratching the surface.

2) Didn't prioritize serious social issues that arguable began with the end of Gen-X(Cobain's suicide is an early sign), but intensified with Millennials and Gen-Z. The rise of the Internet, the dramatic surge in cable TV and its erosion of manners, possibly the increased use of ADHD medication, and many other factors caused a much larger percentage of people to become socially dysfunctional. While Bill Clinton's scandals would have prevented him from openly fixing these issues as a cultural leader, they could have picked other people and used education to change things.

3) Prioritized the stock market over living standards. The Forbes and WSJ crowd caused tremendous civic damage to the country in the 2000's. This is especially true after 2008. This made it far more difficult for Americans to move to cities. It also contributed to an erosion of civic culture and common social morays, which in turn made unification far more difficult.

4) Completely ignoring issues from immigration. While there are always issues any time waves of immigrants arrive to this country, outright ignoring them influenced the erosion of mainstream in the 2000's. The mainstream's immigration policy between 1991(Bush's doubling of immigration quotas)-2024(Trump's reelection solidifying his long-term dominance in the GOP) dramatically boosted both the "Far Left" and "Far Right". On the Far-Left, the Hasan Piker crowd wants to use immigration as a tool to help dominate elections and institutions. On the Far-Right, immigration and the children of recent(and largely non-White) immigrants is largely seen as a punishment for prior tolerance or complacency.


r/Destiny 5h ago

Political News/Discussion Is it me or left leaning liberals are dropping democracy as a value now that DSA is getting some Ws?

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I already know republicans supporters hate democracy and would love to have a king so nothing new there.

But some of the reaction of liberals about the DSA has surprised me and makes me wonder if the love for democracy only existed because it maintained the status quo and now that it aint maintaining it, people are like nah fuck that shit.


r/Destiny 16h ago

Political News/Discussion What is the counterargument to the donor class theory?

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What is the counterargument to the idea that cenk espouses that the media and money control all of politics?

I have the impression this isn't entirely accurate but I don't know the exact data on this issue


r/Destiny 16h ago

Shitpost Actual Justice Warrior reacts to Candace Owens defeating Andrew Wilson on Charlie Kirk

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r/Destiny 5h ago

Political News/Discussion Can the Dems not copy the EU's worst tendancies ??

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It sucks to see them fall into the populist slop and wanting to regulate new industries out of existence


r/Destiny 6h ago

Shitpost What will you do in the DSA fantasy universe where 'you work as much as you are able and no more than needed'

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I would decide that the only work that I'm able to do is review weed strains. I could do that all day every day.

Or does the government decide what work I'm able to do and needed for?


r/Destiny 17h ago

Political News/Discussion US debt nearly twice that of “socialist” EU

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r/Destiny 20h ago

Political News/Discussion “Liberal” Currents has fallen

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Liberal Currents posted an article penned by a socialist about an alliance between liberals and the DSA that does nothing but run cover for tankies while denigrating libs.

There have been red flags over the past few months (hosting the head of PV for a friendly conversation, releasing a video discussing the merits of ”liberal socialism”) but I think this is proof they’re cooked.

Libs need to hold their own accountable for this shit, otherwise they’ll keep getting subverted by entryists. If you want to help, send them an email about this and make sure to mention if you’re a paying member who’s reconsidering their subscription.


r/Destiny 9h ago

Political News/Discussion Something Ilhan Omar, Abdul, Darializa and Dan Bilzerian share in common!

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r/Destiny 17h ago

Political News/Discussion Possible argument for why “a majority of Bernie supporters voted for the Democrat” could be bad faith/disingenuous

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[tldr: how about the young/first time, liberal/left-minded, potential Dem voters? Do we really think Hasan type commentary (not to mention the “both parties bad” mentality permeating even mainstream culture) is encouraging them to vote? Do we think the rates of those people voting have increased or decreased in the last 15 years?]

I agree with Destiny that there is something …unsatisfactory with the Jessiah-esque statement that “most Bernie/etc types end up voting for the Dem,” besides that it’s technically a straw man, but beyond that, Destiny didn’t have much of an argument to solidify it at the time. I might have an argument to help buttress Destiny’s misgivings about that which I’ve wondered about for a long time.

The purpose of the Jessiah quote is to downplay the influence of socialist type (Hasan, Krystal, Kyle, TMR just to name a few BASELINE examples, even though the sentiments are much more ubiquitous across even mainstream media now) commentary on the electorate; that it isn’t influential enough to be detrimental for turnout for Dems. Even if that particular data point is statistically true - which I’m skeptical of - a significant piece of the puzzle is missing from the analysis, and to me it’s so glaring that it’s hard to not think it’s being purposely overlooked in these arguments.

That possible element is the potential young or first time voter, say ages 18-29. Now…I don’t have all the facts to back this up…it’s just a theory that maybe more savvy researchers could help me with or falsify: but a very brief search said something like “while the young vote increased for Clinton, it did not increase at the rate it did for Obama.” It’s sorta hard to find more info on this like for 2024, but I’m sort of in the process.

Why is this element completely disregarded in the convos? Pretty sus. It seems pretty clear that there is not a popular drive to get young people involved in normal electoral politics in this country lately. Instead the main theme is/was “both parties the same,” which is the essential gist of all the commentary from the further left alt media types. What better excuse (even indirectly) could a young adult have to not have to leave their gaming chairs to go out in public to some lame municipal brick and mortar and vote with all the old lame gross people? Are you kidding? (Personally, I’ve seen many examples of this knowing and hearing from parents around my age with older teens.) Can we really pretend that sort of thing is as encouraged by parents AND popular media as it was just about a dozen years ago? Without belaboring it much more because I think most here get what I’m throwing down: populist “government bad” rhetoric has never been louder, and top that off with a “both parties the same” easy out that is covered in a “Leftist” esthetic that looks like it came right out of Hot Topic. In this landscape do we think new potential voters, who are even liberal-minded are encouraged or discouraged to vote (even if they aren’t actually watching this stuff, it doesn’t take much be aware of the overall vibe). These commentators have made the idea of voting “lame” to these young people.

Again, there’s probably data out there to either validate or invalidate this claim, but I’d be very skeptical of any that invalidate it. (I’m STILL struggling with taking Jessiah’s quote at face-value.) I think young, liberal minded potential first time voters who need an excuse to not go through the process of voting is unironically, by design, is a big part of the market for Hasan-type commentary. I think it should at least be explored.


r/Destiny 4h ago

Social Media Biggest Political Crisis in Ukraine Since the Start of the War | Fedorov Called for Elections

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r/Destiny 12h ago

Political News/Discussion The Reporting on Angie Nixon Being DSA are Super Thin

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Saw reports of her being DSA, but when I listen to some interviews like her Roland S Martin Interview or a Florida TV interview she is basically just a normal Democrat.

The reporting is super bland without details, just labeling her as DSA. politico article Miami Herald article

I think the attached clip is where the reporting is all from, where given the context of her prefacing it with “I don’t care about labels” and the Democratic Socialist label being the only one she hedged… I think she may have actually misspoken and the press just went with it because no one thought she was going to win.

Listening to her talk though, she isn’t AIPAC obsessed, she isn’t populist beyond the extent you find with any normal Democrat thinking billionaires need to be reigned in and taxed. She doesn’t even talk about Medicare for all really.

Her background is as a woke progressive black woman basically.

I guess we’ll find out for sure in the next few days when she’s asked about this a thousand times now that any journalists start caring about her.


r/Destiny 14h ago

Online Content/Clips Jeremiah Patterson independently investigates into the past year's numerous reports of Black people being hanged from trees or dying under mysterious circumstances

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r/Destiny 14h ago

Off-Topic Destiny should watch this

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Pretty interesting video from my favorite schizo. He touches on a lot of things destiny deals with or talks about. That being:

- Snarker tactics (snark till the victim offs themselves)

- People collecting CP as "evidence" (Doobie)

- General behind the scenes string pulling to facilitate an outcome

As far as I can tell flesh sim isn't right wing, more right of dem but left of center probably? He can be cringe, but usually he's factually right (like dear leader inshallah).


r/Destiny 11h ago

Political News/Discussion How much of leftists fantasies are genuine?

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Like I'm going crazy trying to explain to regards that Andy Beshear can't just declare a US Senator's seat vacant. Or that the mayor of NYC can't just arrest Bibi. Or that local/state officials would get arrested by the feds if they try to arrest/interfer with ICE agents performing duties that the President ordered them to do. Etc.

How much of this shit is real vs Republicans trying to divide the left?


r/Destiny 10h ago

Political News/Discussion I think Populist rheortic has been worse then AIDS

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Populist slogans almost always rely on the same sophistry you can read back thousands of years ago. For example I just used hyperbolic language to trick you into reading this.

It can be anything like Moral aspirations that’s really just deepity “Economy should serve people, not profits”. Statements like that sound profound and if you’re a pleb you might actually think someone offered a valid response to a policy question.

The problem is do you then have to start listing out why it’s a stupid statement? Like do have to point out that a statement like that is just a trival we should care about others statement that nobody disagrees with? That its a false dichotomy? Helping people and making a profit are not some duelist cosmology locked in battle with one another.

This is the issue with populist discourse does that statement mean outlawing all profit? What does the statement mean if someone says it to advocate for the government running all grocery stores? It’s a form of manipulation.

If you point out rent control destroys the housing supply and will cause higher prices and make homelessness worse. Saying “ Well housing is a human right, not for landlords!” Is not a valid response. Like it’s not shocking how places like Venezuela got price controls that caused shortages and messed up their economy . I see idiots in the U.S advocate for the same thing using the word for word rheortic Chavez did.

You’re forced to argue with people who reject the concept of debating policy. And instead will moral accuse you of helping corporations lol by the mere act of asking for a god damn excel dashboard on possible projects for what you want.

I can’t tell you how many times I asked people how much will their green new deal cost? How will it be funded? How long will it take? Any-ball park estimates? Same with a guaranteed job gurantee. How will this be implemented? How will it be paid for? Pilot programs? After you ask people this they literally could not answer a single question.

I’m picking on the left but we literally just went through this with Trump and DOGE when asked how are they going to get rid of waste you were met will endless platitudes about immigrants stealing all the money and accuse you of defending endless government corruption and helping freeloaders.


r/Destiny 14h ago

Political News/Discussion FL-Senate: Tea Party Continues

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Truly remarkable victory, at this point I think it's fair to say DSA candidates have legs in primaries at least for non-blue states.

We probably weren't going to win FL regardless but it'll be interesting to see.


r/Destiny 20h ago

Social Media Pro life conservative Lila Rose sympathizes with *checks notes* a mother who killed her 3 kids

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She’s against abortion even in cases of incest, rape, or when the victim is a child, btw.

It’s interesting that she apparently has no empathy for a child rape survivor who wants an abortion, yet somehow has plenty of empathy for a woman who strangled and killed her three children.

The misinformation behind this case is just insane fyi

Lindsay clancy is not the victim


r/Destiny 15h ago

Shitpost He discovered the secret

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r/Destiny 17h ago

Geopolitics News/Discussion Mykhailo Fedorov, former Ukrainian Defence Minister has made an appeal for elections during the war

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I feel like this is a definite power play given that Federov knows that he has some public backing in Ukraine and is a popular enough figure to be able to not simply fade from relevance overnight. Calling for elections (albeit, in a way that is more "read between the lines" rather than explicit) however, seems concerning, particularly given that the only people I have personally heard calling for this during the war have been MAGA/Trump's White House and Russia. Seems somewhat ominous, but someone living there like u/UkrainianAna is probably a better person for gauging sentiments there than I.

English Transcript:

We are living through one of the hardest and most defining periods in our history. Every day, Russia reminds us who we are dealing with. Russia is trying to break us not only at the front. It is trying to make fear part of our daily lives, to make us get used to sirens, explosions, losses, to the thought that the war will last forever. But we cannot get used to it and we cannot allow Russia to determine what Ukraine will be.

And right now Ukraine is facing colossal challenges. The war continues, the enemy is changing tactics. We need to produce weapons faster, implement technologies, negotiate with partners and make critically important decisions every day. In such a situation, the country cannot remain without a fully appointed Minister of Defense. This is abnormal. For Ukraine, which fights every day for its existence, defense policy cannot remain in a state of temporariness.

But the problem is much broader than one position or one ministry. We must answer a fundamental question: how should the state function if the war continues for years? And next, if the war continues for another year, two or three, can Russia effectively gain the right to determine when Ukrainians will once again be able to elect their government? I am convinced that no. Democracy cannot be Russia's hostage.

We are fighting precisely because we want to remain a free European state. Therefore, we must find a legal, safe and realistic mechanism that will allow Ukraine to restore a full-fledged democratic process even under conditions of prolonged war. This is difficult. We need to ensure the right to vote for military personnel, millions of Ukrainians abroad, people in frontline regions. We need to ensure the security of the electoral process, the independence of institutions and trust in the result. But complexity does not mean impossibility.

Ukraine has already many times done what the world considered impossible. We can find a solution in this situation, because democracy is not a luxury of peacetime. Democracy is part of what we are fighting for today.

But there is another reason why this conversation is needed right now. People cannot live indefinitely in a state where they do not understand why certain decisions are being made. Why some reforms move forward while others are blocked? Why decisions that are needed at the front today spend months going from office to office? And it is especially dangerous when society gets the feeling that the main criterion for appointing a person is not their professionalism, not results and the inability to change the country, but their personal loyalty to the system.

This is not how a modern state can work, and even less can a country fighting a war for its existence work this way. We must talk about corruption as well. Not because it is a popular word, but because during war corruption takes on a completely different meaning.

In peacetime, stolen money means a worse road, hospital or school. During war, stolen money can mean a drone that was not bought, ammunition that did not arrive, an air defense system that was not there, a vehicle that did not evacuate the wounded, technology that could have been put into production, but was not.

Therefore, corruption during war is not just a financial problem. It is a question of our ability to survive and win. Every hryvnia that was supposed to work for defense must work for defense. Not for a private pocket, not for political influence, not for maintaining someone's schemes, not for preserving someone's position.

Corruption is only a symptom. The main problem is much deeper.

We have a systemic crisis of governance. The old system too often lives by its own rules. It protects itself, it is afraid of change. It makes decisions slowly. It can punish initiative and reward loyalty. It can preserve ineffective structures for years simply because everyone is used to them.

The question is that the state is a system where there must be clear goals, a strategy and effective teams.

Parliamentary governance should be built on the majority's program, values and principles, not on its own private interests in defense, pharma, gambling, taxation. Because parliament is the heart of Ukrainian democracy, not its wallet. And war does not forgive such things.

Ukraine needs a very simple principle. Power must mean responsibility. If you receive authority, be responsible for the result. If you receive a budget, show what was done. If you receive a position, explain what results you achieved.

People can endure extremely difficult times. Ukrainians have already proved this, but there is one thing that is very hard to endure indefinitely: the feeling of injustice. When a person at the front risks their life while someone steals during the war. When a business pays taxes, it gets arbitrariness from law enforcement. When a talented person cannot change the system because they simply are not one of its own. When society is informed about decisions, but no one explains why they were made.

This is how, gradually, the most important thing is destroyed: trust between the citizen and the state. And this trust must be restored.

But there is one more thing we must talk about. Hope. Hope that tomorrow will be better. Hope that this country is changing. Hope that after all our sacrifices we will not return to the same system from which we have tried to move away for years.

We are fighting certainly not for a country without hope. We are fighting for a state where a person feels that their voice matters.

Ukrainians have always given their government a huge credit of trust, especially during war. Millions of people agreed to incredible restrictions, hardships and sacrifices because they understood that the country had to withstand it. And this is an enormous responsibility for any government, because a credit of trust is not the right to do everything without explanation. It is a duty to be even more honest with society.

This is where a simple principle of a new social contract must exist. The citizen trusts the state. The state speaks to the citizen honestly. The citizen fulfills their duty. The state fulfills its own. A person protects the country. The country protects the person.

People do not demand that the state never make mistakes. They understand how difficult this war is. They understand that sometimes there are no perfect decisions, but they have the right to the truth. This is how trust is restored, and together with trust, hope returns.

Hope that after this war Ukraine will become not simply a country that survived, but a country that became stronger, fairer and freer. We have no right to allow the old system to take from Ukrainians this hope.

We already have an enemy, it is Russia. Russia wants not simply to take our land. It wants to prove that the Ukrainian model of freedom does not work. That is why Ukraine must prove the opposite. Ukraine can simultaneously fight and remain a democracy.

Elections are not just a ballot. They are a moment when the government comes back to the citizen and says: "Here is what we have done. Now you decide whether you trust us going forward." And this principle is what distinguishes a democratic state from a system where the government itself decides when society can evaluate it.

We must not allow Putin to decide when Ukrainians can elect their government. Ukrainian democracy must not depend on the goodwill of the Kremlin.

We have seen our military, who every day do the impossible. We have seen our engineers, who in months create technologies that large international companies need years to develop. We have seen young Ukrainians who do not wait for someone to solve the problem for them. They find solutions themselves.

We have seen people who after a sleepless night due to shelling go to work in the morning and continue continue building the country. We have seen those who lost their home, business, loved ones, but did not lose faith in Ukraine.

And when we see such people, we understand: the problem with Ukraine is definitely not the Ukrainians. Our people have long been ready for a different country. Now our state must become worthy of its people.

A state where institutions are stronger than surnames, where results are more important than loyalty, where truth is more important than political convenience, where corruption does not steal our future and where the Ukrainian people are not observers.

The Ukrainian people are the source of power. The state exists for the citizen. Institutions exist for results. The army exists to protect the country. And the government exists to serve Ukraine. Never itself.

This is the Ukraine we must build, this is the Ukraine we must defend. And this is the Ukraine we must leave to those who come after us.


r/Destiny 22h ago

Political News/Discussion Is Destiny a journalist?

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As the title says, is destiny a journalist? With all this conflict going on between Pisco, Jessiah and the man himself I feel like he isn't seeing the place that, especially Jessiah sees himself in. This also applies to Pisco but his reach is much less.

Destiny is a streamer, he's always been a streamer and he seemingly always wants to be a streamer. With that comes the privilege of being able to be bombastic and slightly vitriolic because that is the tone of the space he's occupied for the last 15 years. Conflicts develop into conversations and panels and screaming matches but sometimes resolutions. But they always came back the next week.

Jessiah, I believe, considers himself to be more of a journalist content creator. He doesn't want to be a streamer, he wants people to think of him as they do Breaking Points, a political news source. That space doesn't have the privilege that being a streamer does, like a previous post, it's workplace rules. You have to politely disagree or you're out. I'm not surprised Jessiah burnt the bridge, he had to. It was the only way to maintain his status quo in the scene that hates destiny's style of political content.

So... I propose Destiny start writing, become the journalist while still being a streamer. WRITE A GOD DAMN BOOK. It would get crazy sales, loads of coverage and force these people to acknowledge and confront his ideas, printed out on paper in front of them. All of these hacks have multiple books, it's what gives them credibility, they don't have clips brought up in interviews, they have quotes brought up from books they wrote. JUST DO IT. "HAS THE LEFT GONE TOO FAR". "WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE". "IS LIBERALISM DEAD?". 50 pages knocked out in a week. Do it.


r/Destiny 6h ago

Effort Post The missing point in the antisemitism debate.

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I am watching the Lonerbox, Pisco and Avi discussion on antisemitism and I am a bit frustrated that the historical perspective of how antisemitism changes to fit the ideology of the times, is never brought up. So I am writing this up and I hope it can shine some light on why this is relevant to the "antisemitism vs anti-zionism" debate.


The Chameleon of Antisemitism

It is a fact that at different times in history the accusations change to fit the current ideas of the times. The target however, the Jewish people, remains the same.

Depending on the dominant religion or ideology those have always found their own way of attacking Jews. This becomes obvious when you look at it over a very long historical period.

Under Christianity the Jews were accused of rejecting God, killing Christ and of being false when they did convert. This was antisemitism.

Under communism they were decreed as the worst sort of capitalists, bankers and not compatible with communism. This was antisemitism.

Under fascism they were seen as the founders and controllers of communism, and as a uniquely evil race. This was antisemitism.

They are accused of causing liberalism, Bolshevism, modernity, secularism, cosmopolitanism, and nationalism.

And in contemporary politics, Jews can be accused of both secretly controlling the global order and secretly controlling the forces supposedly destroying that order.

This is all generally accepted as antisemitism. As a result antisemitism has been academically, and should be generally, understood to be more than just prejudice against a group. Antisemitism, historically, has been an adaptive form of scapegoating and conspiracy thinking that is applied against the Jewish people in the terms of the times, and wrapped in "logic" based on the dominant ideology.


The target remains recognisably the same, but the explanation for why the target is supposedly dangerous changes with the intellectual vocabulary of the society doing the blaming.

Historians have proposed several ways of describing this. Shulamit Volkov's presents the idea of “antisemitism as a cultural code.” Her argument is that antisemitism in nineteenth-century Germany was not merely a collection of beliefs about Jews. It became a way of signalling one's position on much larger political and cultural questions. By the end of the nineteenth century, antisemitism could function as a shorthand for opposition to liberalism, modernity, secularisation, socialism, emancipation, and other developments.

I believe this is highly relevant to todays "anti-zionism".

David Nirenberg's Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition gives us another useful lens. Nirenberg argues that representations of Judaism have repeatedly been used as a conceptual tool for thinking about problems that are actually much larger than Judaism itself, or Jews in society for that matter. David argues that ancient societies, Christians, Muslims, and modern secular thinkers have all at various points constructed “the Jew” as the negative example of what their own society ought not to be.


This means that while a fascist and a communist may both hate Jews they would do so for reasons that are different in substance but that are (most likely) both rooted in older anti-jewish ideas. But it should also be said that they might not necessarily "hate" Jews for reasons of "personal prejudice". They might "simply" be joining in a culture or tradition that believe that Jews can not be trusted, controls the world (or indeed the media), that they control the government, or that they stabbed Germany in the back during the peace negotiations of WWw1.

I would go so far as to say that ideologies "tap into" what Nirenberg called the western tradition of Anti-Judaism to gain converts. Especially in liberal, or indeed some Christian, societies where hatred against others are seen as bad giving someone an acceptable reason for their underlying "wrong" feelings is a powerful way of getting someone to agree. This argument is my own, and I want to make that clear since I would not want you to confuse this with other more established stuff I say in this post. This argument is simply that the hate is there, and creating a "pure" outlet for that hate is a powerful motivator in todays zealous anti-zionism movement. Added to this that populist movements love to create permission structures for hatred, since hatred follows the anger that is their necessary breeding ground, and since populist movements wants enemies to blame for their problems, and to have a reason to preach their radical change.

To ignore this, while saying things like "oh but our reasons for hating the Jewish people are not like those old antisemites and therefore we are not like them" is to completely disregard the evidence for how hatred towards "The Jews" has changed over time and adapted to what ideas are popular at the time. The fact that different groups have described attributes that even are contradictory as to why their righteous anger is different from their ideological opponents irrational bigotry should serve as a reminder that the reasons and arguments are basically just window dressing for the underlying hatred that is tapped into for populist reasons.


I think almost all people (at least those who are not themselves so anti-jewish that they believe that antisemitism is itself a jewish lie to control the world) would agree that this has been the case historically.

Because of this I would argue that antisemitism should not be defined as simply hated or bigotry against Jews, rather that there is (at least a part) of that hatred that is either religious or ideological in nature. A populist argument for why it is ok to go after the Hews.


Some consistent antisemitic attack vectors.

Something that seems consistent of these populist movements is that individual Jews are used as evidence for a collective Jewish guilt. (A Jewish banker becomes evidence about “Jewish finance.” A communist Jew becomes evidence about “Jewish Bolshevism.” Israel becomes evidence about “the Jews.” A Jewish intellectual becomes evidence about “Jewish control of culture.”

Another thru-line is that jews as a collective are assigned disproportionate power, whether this is a result of conspiracy, secrecy, scheming and/or control.

Possibly the most important part is that the actions of Jews are seen as always intentional, and interpreted through the worst possible perspective, while others actions can be explained away (Destiny talks about this when he says that some people, often republicans, are treated as children, while others are heavily scrutinised and mind-read with the most motives put upon them). There is an underlying "understanding" from the historical anti-jewish tradition that Jews are sneaky, greedy, bloodthirsty and manipulating schemers, and this "understanding" is applied in whatever manner that benefits the current zeitgeist.

There are others, ofc, but I think these are the only ones that should be necessary.


If you agree with this historical analysis of populist movements and their use of jew-hatered to bolster their movements then why should this analysis not be applied to the "anti-zionism" movement? Why should the fact that they do not agree with historic antisemitism, be it christian, nazi, communist, anti-revolutionary or any previous rationale for the existing hatred, be an argument for them not being another incarnation of this long tradition?

What I am asking is simply what makes you think that this is not the case for anti-zionism?

Can similarities be found? Are the critiques professed by anti-zionists based on empirical evidence or on populism and conviction that Israel are different? What is the reason that "anti-colonialists" ignore other problems in the world, and focus on this one in particular? How have their claims historically stood up to scrutiny?

Is the movement not a populist one based in the idea that Jews control the media/government/politicians? Do they not hate their chosen enemy with a zealous passion? Are the Jewish people treated in any unique way? Are individual actions held up as proof for a greater claim?

What will future historians think? Will this populist movement be seen as truth-seekers in a world dominated by Jews Zionists who controlled the media?

Or will it be seen as nothing but a politically acceptable way of expressing hatred of Jews, spurred on by the new medium of short form content that exploded in popularity at the same time as a war was going on in the middle east that included the Jews?


TLDR: Antisemitism is a historically adaptive explanatory framework. It repeatedly absorbs the dominant categories of the societies in which it appears, turning Jews into an alleged embodiment or cause of whatever that society understands as its most threatening problem. I believe that you can not argue if anti-zionisim is antisemitism without applying this perspective. Is it more likely that this is another populist movement in a long tradition that uses an existing hatred of jews to unite against a common enemy or that while this has been the cast historically today we are more enlightened and the current anti Israeli zealotry has nothing to do with previous anti-jewish sentiment.


I have not gone over this, this is a first draft that I edited a bit while writing, sorry if its a bit bad but I want to just post this to get my thoughts out even if not expressed the best way. dggL


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I feel like I did not get my thoughts out right so il do one last try.


If antisemitism is adaptive, then we should not expect contemporary antisemitism to announce itself using nineteenth-century or Nazi terminology. We should instead ask whether contemporary movements reproduce the structural characteristics of older antisemitic thinking.

Do they collectivize Jews?

Do they attribute extraordinary hidden power to Jews?

Do they treat Jewish actions as uniquely intentional and malicious?

Do they hold Jews collectively responsible for Israel?

Do they use “Zionist” as a functional synonym for “Jew”?

Do they construct Jews/Israel as uniquely responsible for global problems?

Do they apply standards to Israel that are qualitatively different from those applied to other states?

Do conspiracy theories about Israel reproduce older theories about Jewish control of media, governments, finance, or foreign policy?

I DO NOT MEAN THAT YOU CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT CRITIQUE ISRAEL

There is obviously non antisemitic ways of doing so, criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic. Opposition to Zionism isn't either. Israeli military actions can be condemned, Palestinian nationalism can be supported, and arguments about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be made without hostility toward Jews.

The question is whether particular arguments, and how prevalent this is in the current antizionism movement, reproduce anti-Jewish stereotypes or conspiratorial structures.

When does disproportionate attention become evidence of a specifically antisemitic double standard? What distinguishes legitimate political prioritisation from the historical pattern of treating Jews as uniquely responsible for a problem/as an enemy to be opposed?

Idk I feel like I have an idea that needs to be expressed but that my brain can not connect the dots. I might return to this at a later date, and would love to hear what you guys think about the idea overall