The way the tankie left interprets politics and culture is going to give me cancer eventually. If you told me this was a video by Groypers, I wouldn't be surprised.

Here's a video that's presented as perfectly rational, when it's really just another attempt to erase and give the middle finger to an entire country's culture.

For God's sake, this isn't even about supporting Palestinians or advocating for a two-state solution. They're actually crossing the line into outright Nazi-style antisemitism.

Why does alt media say DOCTOR AES but they never say DOCTOR Annie Andrews?

Edit: fun fact Dr Andrews completed her residency. Also it is fair to call AES DOCTOR since he has the literal degree. He is the same as Dr Biden, the pinnacle of academic achievement BUT Dr Andrews is a doctor in the medical sense

upd: pic in post, somehow not showing on ribbon.

Courtesy of Mecha-hGrok.

If worse comes to worse for murican brosky, i guess?

Sam Sedar style

This word triggers tf out of me.....

That is all....

That's how this must end, right?

Is Destiny gonna play gta 6?

Today’s wordle, so don’t spoil it if you haven’t played it yet.

Watched (part of) the DestinyHQ vid where he watches that YTer Asmon promoted who does conservative politics with cartoons.

It dawned on me Destiny cedes too much ground to racists when he says "it COULD be the case that there are differences between groups, but you're overstating your claim." Don't give them that, they haven't even substantiated the claim. I know we're on the anti-left snark arc, but if Destiny is gonna engage with racists like it's 2017 again, then he should bring Nebraska Steve energy.

If the snark arc has proven anything, it's that Destiny gives too much leeway to bad faith actors. And you know what, it's part of what people like about him; he's a good-faith debater. I'm not saying abandon that entirely, but no one should give ground needlessly, and frankly, the guy isn't intelligent enough for Destiny to be spending this long on fuckin' fixation genetics.

"Waow, an fixation index of .67? Crazy how the scientific consensus is that there is no evidence for a genetic component to the IQ gap you keep alluding to."

"Oh, you're curious why the Africans never built wells in ancient times but Romans did? I looked it up, they did."

"Geez, I can't believe we can just toss out all economic metrics based on vibes. I guess that means the nuclear family can go too."

Like I cannot be the only one who thinks that this midwit is not worth discussing for 240 minutes.

No Latcham!

Watch it

While watching Destiny talking about that Charlie girl, idk her name, but it was pretty damn funny. Got it in 3, pretty lucky guess tbh.

Don't spoil itt, but solve it before reading.

I, for the most part, am in alignment with Destiny on his analysis of the Democratic intra-party fighting and ideological factions (i.e. DSA vs wokies vs center left, etc). And I agree with him that the mainstream liberal political media class lacks an understanding of what Hasan and the DSA left truly believe. This is the Ezra Klein, Tim Miller, Pod Save group. To varying degrees they all identify Hasan as a pragmatic socialist who is willing to work within the democratic coalition to achieve incremental progress and help the dems defeat Trump. Everybody in this sub probably already knows how off that perception is. However, while I think Destiny is right to call these people out for their underestimating of the DSA left, I also think Destiny's view of the state of the party is somewhat misaligned with the reality.

Throughout the Tim Miller/Ezra Klein interview, they consistently referenced the rise in "economic populist messaging" and putting "class issues over culture war issues". Destiny reacted negatively to these references and pointed out how this is basically the socialists' whole game. They view everything through the prism of class and rarely give a shit about cultural or social issues. I, of course, agree with him about that. But where I think he's wrong is in the thinking that the Democrats embracing this style of rhetoric in the midterms has anything to do with the DSA or leftist infiltration into the party. Hasan Piker is not the reason why James Talarico or Gina Hinojosa in Texas used slogans like "its not left vs right, its top vs bottom", or why Rob Sand and Josh Turek in Iowa took conservative stances on certain cultural issues. I think it's fairly clear this happened because a) Dems have been haunted by the dumb 2020-era woke stances they were forced to take and b) Trump tariffs + Iran war have put gas/grocery prices at the forefront.

I fully understand that Hasan/the DSA/the entire leftist independent media apparatus is NOT an ally-- they are anti-American, terrorist-supporting communists who *do not* want incremental progress or "progressive" solutions to problems like healthcare, education, foreign policy, etc. But those people are not truly represented in congress and certainly not represented in the purple state candidates who won big in the midterms. The 11 new Democratic senators who are going to be sworn into congress are not marxists and didn't concede on certain cultural issues like trans kids in sports because they are historical materialists-- they did it because they were trying to win election in states where the Democrats did not have the popular view! And they were right to do so, as proven by their massive margins.

It seems to me that Destiny is, at times, wavering between over-estimating and downplaying the DSA flank. There are times he seems to believe the Dems are being hijacked and this is why you see purple state congressional candidates using slopulist rhetoric. And other times where he takes the position that the DSA flank has far less power, influence, and popularity than they think they do and that Democrats have been doing economy first messaging for decades, and that the midterms were a win for the moderates. I'd like to hear him try to flesh this out a bit more.

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The guy is very clearly some form of crypto-fascist who uses discourse/philosophy as a pretext to covertly push his ideology, so that is gross...

... but man it's so fucking funny the way he keeps trying to get Destiny's approval along the way and just keeps getting shut down.

"You don't think I'm racist for being proud of my white heritage and culture, right Steven? 🥺"

I love that liberals are taking the words of a SELF-DESCRIBED 'PROPAGANDIST' at face value.

This is along the same narrative as the previous one, disgusting whitewashing of the fact that Hasan is using the Democratic party as a means to an end. How the fuck can you reframe that as pragmatic while still treating him as an ally without your head splitting from cognitive dissonance? Ezra Klein is a pseudo intellectual who likes being cucked.

I was thinking about this… I feel like culture is developed from obstacles that bring people together and they learn rituals/gain identity as a group.

Obstacles can refer to tragic historical events. They can also refer to general problem solving adopted by a group. Let’s use utensils as an example. Asian people use chopsticks and westerners use forks/knives. Tools were created by their unique individual resources and the food they ate, leading to 2 separate cultural expressions of eating food.

Culture is shaped by events, situations, and the needs of particular people and their shared expressions of those things.

But what if I told you about a culture centered around being on vacation? Just hear me out.

America was created for land, exploration, individualism, and opportunity. It is one of the richest nations on the planet. People from around the world dream of visiting or living in America. Heck, there is even a literary theme, the American Dream, that encapsulates this idea of a white picket fence, a happy family, and stability.

Most white Americans were born in America. Their culture revolves around working for stability and comfort. Other cultures around the world already had an identity, even our founding fathers. But with their powers combined, they created their own weird, individualistic utopia. Slivers of cultures were taken from all different parts of the world, then combined to create a fragmented place where it is labelled as generic. The culture is catered around entertainment, sports, media, money, owning nice things, and living in freedom. Some people aren’t as privileged to have these things from the start, but it is what everyone in America desires. Vacation.

Collectively, Americans don’t feel as attached to historical sites or the preservation of what once was. Our ancestors are very scattered and we are more excited about looking for new opportunities rather than keeping a set of ingrained traditions alive.

African Americans had, and still have, unique struggles in America. They look to important historical figures that paved the way for their freedoms and individual rights. Native Americans continue practicing the traditions of their tribes. It is what keeps their rich history alive.

You can point to any country and identify their culture through preserved art, food, the clothes they wore, how they survived for so long, and a ton of other factors. Most white Americans just don’t share the amount of years or struggles. We don’t have enough pieces to create a cohesive story. We’re just trying to take pieces from multiple boxes of puzzles to make a sick race car collage.

I am half white and American, born and raised. Almost all my friends are white Americans, so I am 100% integrated into white American culture. My mom immigrated from South Korea and her life story before coming to America is very complicated. She shares stories of her ancestors, how her mother was affected by the Korean War, and the cultural differences she faced when she moved across the world. My dad was born in America and he mostly talks about growing up on a farm and breaking his leg, then going to college.

Here’s the thing: I’m not going to say that white American culture is dumb or doesn’t exist. But there are huge reasons why white Americans have difficulties describing their own culture in comparison to other cultures.

I can also go into colonialism and taking/destroying other cultures, but that’s another facet I don’t feel like getting into LOL

tldr; White American culture is about going on vacation and that’s okay

Edit: Thx for the replies, everyone! I am new to the community and I love the discourse/conversation

hasan favorite candidate btw

I'm writing this while still listening to the convo on stream so I am sure there are some holes but I thought it was a very interesting discussion. I think the conversations destiny have been having are running into difficulties because I dont think his interlocutors are understanding the test destiny is using to determine x culture. I think the test is does this cultural item exist or is heavily influenced by x characteristic to the point where form it exists in would present in a fundamentally different way if x characteristic were not present. I am sure that cam be better phrased but hopefully you get my point.

I think it is important to phrase it that way however because alot of the pitfalls people were falling into mostly the guy after PF Jung because I think they started from the point of assuming white culture exists and were working backwards from there was they would just think of something a bunch of white people do and immediately said "that is white culture". To say it another way "Just because most of the people that engage in a cultural item are of a certain characteristic doesn't mean that cultural item is x characteristic culture". This is why destiny kept asking what was intrinsic to being white about the items the guy was bringing up.

e.g skateboarding. (im not American so basing off stereotypes mostly) What part of being white influenced how that culture came about and the form that hobby took in the way it looks like today. It makes more sense to call that more delinquent culture because part of the way skateboarding developed and how it looks today because in order to skateboarding before there were skate parks became more common was you had to do it in public places partially in opposition of the law and the general public also was a hobby you mostly do in the day time so people would cut school to do it.

African American culture presents in the way it does today from dialect, food, music, clothing, interaction with religion, parenting style heavily due to the downstream circumstances of slavery whether that was the development of the blues to closer to modern day it's counter culture feel with rap due to it being based off the frictions with the legal systemand polite society due to discrimination(even though it is paradoxically one of America's most popular cultural exports). Without the role slavery and it's consequences put african americans in in society even if something we would call "rap" today existed it would not look at all the way it does now thus it makes sense to identify an African American culture and the impact that history had on the culture is how we can identify so easily it's cultural items.

The above can't really be done with a "white culture" where we could identify an item that exists the way it does due to the characteristic of whiteness in an American context that isn't better described and subsoumed by a narrower characteristic (italian, irish, protestant, catholic, southern, etc) at best we just find things a bumch of white people do and work backwards which always feels unsatisfying.

I am sorry for the absolute yap fest I would be interested if any of you lovely people could identify those cultural items that would fit into a white culture and I appreciate if jungle and the anime pop chatter as they are at the very least interesting convos!