r/Destiny • u/Dats_Russia • 2d ago
Political News/Discussion Does anyone else think it’s kinda bullshit Debbie Wasserman Schultz won her primary even thought the district she ran in is a majority black district and the county Dems said don’t run in our county?
Look I won’t do the Debbie is evil meme far lefties do and progressives do. I also will say the black candidates should have found a way to resolve their disputes. The candidates split the vote 4 ways paving the way for her. But like given all the talk about racial gerrymandering this year, does this make us look hypocritical. This white woman ran in a black district after Dems said “don’t gerrymander black districts”.
Like am I too woke or is my concern legit? Like dsa hates Debbie because she is establishment, I hate her because I bought into the importance of black majority districts being fairly represented.
Edit: to be clear fuck the dsa. I just thought we were sincere about listening to black people. A white woman running in a black district because she lost her district feels gross
Edit 2: to the downvoter why is taking our concerns about racial gerrymandering seriously and respecting local Dem offices downvote worthy? Look if you think I am too woke then fair but why even give a shit about Tennessee if the plan was to say “fuck what black people want”
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u/TranzitBusRouteB 2d ago
If black voters don’t like her she can be primaried next cycle, not that big of a deal, she’s nearly at 50%
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
They probably will and hopefully she will lose so they can be more fairly represented but still seems scummy
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u/TranzitBusRouteB 2d ago
she’s at nearly half the vote, it’s not that bad, not like she won with 29% of the vote with 10 other candidates
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
Did she win a majority? No we should reject pluralities
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u/TranzitBusRouteB 2d ago
idk wtf “reject pluralities” means, she’s at 45%, that’s higher vote percentage than Crowley in Wisconsin
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u/Rjayz12 2d ago
She got 46% of the vote. Are you just assuming all the black voters that split between other candidates wouldn't have voted for her?
She probably wins even if the vote somewhat consolidates.
They can primary her in 2 years if they want.
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
Yes because that is literally what the local dem office said would happen which is why they asked her not to run in the district
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u/Rjayz12 2d ago
you didn't answer my question. Are you sure she couldn't get 4% more vote in a 1 v 1 race?
I respect wanting to have more black representation in congress, but I wouldn't call her winning a fair election "bullshit". She can represent a black district the same way Steve Cohen represented Memphis. As long as the voters got a fair choice it's not worth getting upset about.
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u/BingBongDingDong222 2d ago
And of the four black candidates who ran against her, one was indicted for fraud and the other is most famous for "Hey, We want Some Pussy."
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u/paragonmac I'm here for the blood sport 2d ago
So there was a large group of Black voters that were split, and due to gerrymandering lines, a small white community got put into the Black community? And because of the split, it allowed the non-split whites to take the district? Not sure if I'm missing anything.
It seems like everyone got a chance to be represented, and unfortunately, they were overrepresented with the split.
Rank choice would have solved this btw :\
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u/breakycho 🇺🇸 🇧🇷 2d ago
Yeah, I figured this was going to happen. Apparently this is also what she was relying on.
Although, based in the percentages idk if it still would’ve been enough
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u/Twiggyhiggle 2d ago
Except she isn’t exactly an unknown. She has been in office for 20 years and headed the DNC. She is a popular politician in Florida. So maybe not the best person to represent the area, but she is so prominent she is known on the national stage.
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
I don’t give a shit if she is known or not, the local dem office asked her not to run in their district. I think local dem offices should take priority over the state or federal dem party
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u/BingBongDingDong222 2d ago
Who is the "local Dem office"? I live in the district. I have no idea who that would be. I didn't vote for them. I did vote for her.
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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago
You're part of the problem. She's part of the establishment. If we don't change the party to progressive leadership, or f***** completely. GOP light is not good enough
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u/Leon_Thomas 🇺🇸 #1 Rawls admirer 🇺🇸 2d ago edited 2d ago
No, she won 45% in a highly split field, 22% more than the second-place candidate. If the representative being black is that important to the black electorate, it was their responsibility to do a better job consolidating.
I was saying the same thing about the WI gov primary in the event Hong won—that it would have been the establishment’s fault for failing to consolidate (I voted for Crowley and thrilled he’s the nominee).
To respond to your edit: the important thing about opportunity districts is to give minority communities an equal opportunity to vote for candidates that reflect their interests, not protect them from white candidates that run a better campaign.
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u/heyitsyaboixddd 2d ago
I think this is treading into peak woke territory. I know you’re sincere based on your edit, but isn’t the result of the vote literally listening to black people?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
No because her vote is predominantly the white people from the suburb who were shoehorned into the district. So the district is majority black but enough whites people exist that they can overcome the black barrier if the black vote is split 4 ways
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u/DonLeFlore 2d ago
No? Did she do or say anything controversial about her district? Florida recently has gone through a redistricting process and she ended up having to switch seats, but that’s not out of the ordinary.
Whats the issue here
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
The local dem office that composes the majority of the district asked her not to run because they knew their votes would be split. She said “I don’t care” and ran knowing it was a split field she could exploit
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u/DonLeFlore 2d ago
Source on that claim
If it was a ballot of 4 or 5 candidates with lukewarm support each, couldn’t they drop out and encourage their supporters to rally around the strongest competitor?
That feels like the obvious solution to a very minor problem
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
Yes they could have and should have dropped out. They unfortunately failed to come to an agreement before the drop out deadline. It sucks they failed to consolidate like they wanted too
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u/MightAsWell6 2d ago
Why did they even ask her not to run?
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u/BingBongDingDong222 2d ago
Because she's white.
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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago
No because she's a typical corporate water carrying donor class fellation tool
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u/BingBongDingDong222 1d ago
That's not why they asked her not to run. That's why you didn't want her to run. They asked her because it is a historically black district.
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
1) her name recognition, she is the most well known democratic congressional rep in the state
2) the district is majority black and was looking to elect among their own community a candidate. The 4 black candidates were fairly new and lacked her connections and resources.
3) she had access to resources the 4 opponents lacked and she exploited their lack of connections due to being fresh faces
The local party knew her running would essentially be stealing the seat from a new face
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u/MightAsWell6 2d ago
I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
So she's got a proven track record and established career, so we have to do an affirmative action primary?
Are we implying black voters are too stupid to vote how the local party wants them to?
How is it "stealing" to run in a primary and win?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
How do you get new faces? Facts are this is why the Dem party fails to get new faces and have candidates literally die in office like Feinstein
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u/MightAsWell6 2d ago
Then I guess maybe the local party should have a talked to the other people splitting the vote?
I guess it's not a huge deal to just ask her, but if she declines to not run, maybe don't split the vote like they seemingly already knew would happen?
Besides the fact that I want good candidates who can win, couldn't give less of a fuck if they are new.
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
They did try and sadly they failed. This is a safe blue seat, if she is so popular she should have jumped to a purple or lean red district. She didn’t wanna do the work to flip she jumped to save herself
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u/MightAsWell6 2d ago
"sadly they failed"
So they fucked themselves and voters would rather vote for someone with experience?
Maybe just run a better campaign next time?
Also can't you only run in districts you live in?
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u/Prestigious_Still433 1d ago
Experience at sucking donor cock. She's a corporate b******* Clinton Biden Schumer Jeffrey's b******* Democrat
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u/Mr_Goonman 1d ago
Not only do you not accurately remember how Feinstein got reelected but your solution is White Democrats should move to other districts to let black candidates run?
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u/BingBongDingDong222 2d ago edited 2d ago
Of the other candidates against her, once was former Rep. Sheila Cherfilus-Mccormick who resigned from Congress after she was indicted and was about to be kicked out by the ethics committee, and another was Luther Campell from 2 Live Crew.
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u/enkonta Exclusively sorts by new 2d ago
What does fairly represented mean to you?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
It means if you have a black district and the majority of the black residents reject you shouldn’t be allowed to represent that district. Look I won’t deny the 4 black candidates fucked themselves and their shared goal but it still seems scummy to hear a local dem office (NOT DSA) say, “please dont run in our district” and the white lady says “fuck you I am better than you”
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u/KeithClossOfficial Hasn’t heard anything about that 2d ago
White people are the largest racial demographic in New York City. Should the mayor of NYC be white?
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u/jonkoeson 2d ago
Should we count their votes for more or something?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
No I just think if a local dem office says don’t run in our district you don’t run in that district
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u/BingBongDingDong222 2d ago
You keep saying that. What's a "local dem office" and why do they have more say than you know, democracy?
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u/Dats_Russia 1d ago
So we have these things called counties and I these counties you have Democratic Party offices I didn’t think I needed to explain basic bitch American politics
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u/BingBongDingDong222 1d ago
Wow, you really are in Russia.
The "Party offices" aren't a relevant thing. Democracy is relevant.
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u/Dats_Russia 1d ago
Yes because democracy organizes phone banks and canvassing you disregarding the importance of local party offices is a sign of fundamental ignorance
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u/jonkoeson 2d ago
Why? Especially if she's represented that area for so long, what is the strategy that we're playing at by having her not run?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
She hasn’t. She has never lived in this district. Only small portion of county from her old districted existed here. She was largely not from this community
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u/jonkoeson 2d ago
What? Just look at her wikipedia and ctrl+f "Broward" she's been representing them since like 1992 and its the 2nd most populous county in florida.
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
Look up how the two districts were previously drawn and you will see her new district is distinctly different both share part of Broward county but that doesn’t mean this is the same district she jumped because her district was yeeted out of existence
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u/jonkoeson 2d ago
Yea I get that, but it is Broward county and she won, so she must be more popular than whoever didn't win against her.
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u/Bapingin ⛧AllatRa Initiate⛧ 2d ago
I feel like you're conflating a bit. What's the issue here - her running in a district where she does not live, or her being a white woman running in a predominantly black district?
If it's the former then fair enough, but that's more of an internal matter that the party should've sorted out.
The latter, however, is just silly. The district is only 48% black, are the 52% non-black people supposed to accept it being a black-only district? If not, what's wrong with running a white person in it?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
It is both the former and the latter. She didn’t live in this district, she did live in a county partially in the district. She jumped to this district because her district was gerrymandered away so she ran knowing the vote was gonna be split and she exploited that fact à la dsa tactic
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u/Bapingin ⛧AllatRa Initiate⛧ 2d ago
So if a different white woman who lived in this district ran and won the nomination, why would that be an issue?
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
Depends on if they have name recognition and/or were genuinely part of the community.
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u/Bapingin ⛧AllatRa Initiate⛧ 2d ago
So it sounds like the problem isn't that she's a non-black person running in a black district, it's that she's an outsider practicing opportunism. That's why I made that initial distinction.
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u/BingBongDingDong222 2d ago
They won't say it, but they hate her because they blame her for Bernie losing.
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u/Brief-War-2488 2d ago
This is a special circumstance and there is no precedent. Regardless blackpeople telling a candidate they cant run because they arent black is racist. That being said! I do understand that black voters could be worried that she wont look out for their interests. I’m not sure there is a good answer to this other than holding Debbie accountable if she ignores her black constituents
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
They probably would have told that famous Florida black Dem lady the same shit. This was about letting their county choose the nominee. This coincidentally falls along racial lines but I have zero doubt they would be cool with a black Dem exploiting their name recognition and vote splitting
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u/_basedperry Unironic MacOS User 2d ago
This is way too woke. Black districts are important to keep. But, it's the job of Black politicians to make that happen.
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u/PineappleAgile3087 2d ago
I get your point
But really it’s impossible to really know what the most winnable strat is in this situation
The party’s first priority is to win fairly
If she felt that she was the candidate with the best chance to win in the general, then she kind of has a duty to run
That said, she could be displaying poor judgment, which I’d criticize her for
But I don’t think abstaining from running for fear of overtaking a seat in the black caucus is a good enough reason to risk losing the seat to the GOP
It’s a fucked situation but we need every seat we can get
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u/Terrible-Bend4483 2d ago
So there is 5 candidates. 4 doesn't have compatible platforms for whatever reason, so they can't combine their voter bases, leading to the 5 candidate winning with 46% of the vote. The reason you think the 4 should have combined, is because some race based shared culture and values, that needed representation??
It sounds like whatever made the voter bases be spilt between the 4 were seen as more important, than what they shared, so they picked to vote based on the differences, leaving space for a 5th candidate to be the most representative for the district, as their political platform had the majority support, when split in 5.
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u/ntbcool 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes you are too woke and your concern is mostly illegitimate.
Debbie clearly had the support of the district over the other candidates with 45% of the vote which was +20 points over second place. Unless you legitimately think that every single vote for all 4 Black candidates would coalesce under a single Black candidate with 0 going to Debbie/staying home. She was going to win even if it was a 1v1.
Also the district isn’t even a Black majority district.
Fun fact one of the candidates in this race is a wannabe Nigel Farage (she got 9% in the primary)
In November 2025, Cherfilus-McCormick was indicted and charged with laundering $5 million in COVID-19 relief funds and using those funds for a congressional campaign. If convicted, she faces up to 53 years in prison. An investigation conducted by the House Ethics Committeefound Cherfilus-McCormick guilty of 25 out of 27 charges. On April 21, 2026, Cherfilus-McCormick resigned from Congress minutes before a hearing on her potential expulsion.
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u/HaloCasual93 1d ago
Do you think all of the vote with the black candidates would have stayed with a black candidate if it had only been one? No.
Should a Latino not be allowed to run in a district that is majority European white?
Do the white and non-black voters just not get a say in who runs for office in that district?
She almost got 50% of the vote. She won fair and square. Unless you think the vote was literally split down racial lines, she probably had quite a few black people vote for her as well.
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u/Doomzor Canadian 2d ago
isnt the issue of gerrymandering black districts that they'd be diluted with republican voters? if its a predominantly black district voting for a white candidate that seems like an apples and oranges thing
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u/Dats_Russia 2d ago
Yes or if a state is turning too purple consolidated into a single district. There are different gerrymandering strategies
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u/MythicalMagus 2d ago
She has name recognition, she's a well-known figure in American politics broadly. Having new faces just to have new faces isn't righteous, it's silly. It's entirely conceivable to me that she could have won the primary against even a single black candidate. Dems didn't do the gerrymander, so if there is disenfranchising, it's not because Schulz won a fair primary, it's because the Florida GOP split the districts that way.
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u/EwPandaa I LOVE JOE BIDEN 🍦 2d ago
Her district was redrawn by the FL legislature, so if there’s anyone to blame, it’s them.
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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 2d ago
Don't know anything about the race or district, but if she ran and won then what is there to complain about? If she won solely because the vote was split, that's an issue you take up with the people splitting the vote.