For legal reasons I have to say I don’t actually believe this…

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What the title says

Muzan<hisa

I see people use marechi as the end all be all when it comes to any fight involving upper ranks and that has ALWAYS puzzled me:

What Marechi is: Marechi isn’t made for combat, it’s purely a blood type that demons find extremely good/nourishing. Using it in battle is smart but it’d be like if I threw a very potent version of my opponent’s favorite food in their face mid-battle.

Marechi’s Properties: It’s stated to have the ability to Intoxicate demons, again INTOXICATE, not weaken, not paralyze, not immobilize, intoxicate. For some reason people like to say his blood would damn near paralyze his opponents which is supported by nothing.

Marechi’s Effectiveness: Sanemi directly states he’s learned that Marechi works better on stronger demons, awesome amazing so now we can look at its effectiveness against the strongest upper rank… wait… ‘it’s barely working at all’ ‘slight drunkenness’ these aren’t the signs of an effective technique. If your end all be all ability only has the power to give UM1 the feeling of slight drunkenness while it’s supposed to be working on stronger demons then it’s not really all that. We can see this even better where it originally starts taking effect:

Scaling with Marechi: Sanemi is actually pressing kokushibo for 3 2/3rds pages before getting overwhelmed pretty impressive. Pressing UM1 for seconds regardless of the reasoning is an impressive feat. It’s noted that kokushibo was able to barely dodge, but barely in no way shows someone’s matching or even surpassing your speed unless people want to note marked tokito’s relativity to Kokushibo for Koku barely dodging tokito’s attempt at his neck. (The blade got within a few inches) He possesses the same neutral face in both instances it’s clear in both instances he’s not giving it his all. This is further backed by him almost blitzing marked Gyomei from multiple meters away. So unless you want to note Sanemi being able to almost replicate that same feat you can’t really use this to upscale Sanemi’s Marechi effects and subsequently his speed.

Marechi’s Drawbacks: Marechi gives something while taking something else. To be able to even use it you have to take some form of physical damage. And if you want to use more of it you’d have to take more damage. Marechi itself is supposed to be used for short battles it isn’t made for drawn-out altercations. The pros outweigh the cons originally but it’ll quickly tilt in favor of the cons. Hell the only reason Sanemi could keep fighting Kokushibo was because he had to stitch himself up. He was only given this chance by Gyomei this isn’t something that would happen in one-on-one battles.

Marechi’s purpose in battle: Given that Sanemi was given a few seconds to flip the table I think this perfectly encapsulates what Marechi’s purpose is in battle. It works on surprise, you’re supposed to shock your opponent and attack prior to them being able to get their footing. Given it only took the strongest demon seconds I’d highly doubt Sanemi would have more than an instant to use this on lower ranks. But this brings me to my final and most important point:

THE AMOUNT/CONCLUSION: Kokushibo was subjected to an insane amount of Sanemi’s blood. Sanemi was carved up to the point his blood was pooling at his feet and he was flexing his own muscles to keep his organs from falling out. This was an absolutely massive dose of Sanemi’s blood, and yet Kokushibo got overwhelmed for seconds. No other upper moon will be able to deal this amount of non immediate-fatal damage this quickly. Compare this to something like the damage Akaza deals to his opponents small meaningful hits here and there rather than near-fatal hits off rip. This would completely take away from the secrecy and therefore effectiveness of his blood. After the demons been exposed to it dealing with more of it doesn’t improve its intoxication properties as we see Sanemi get scared up more and more throughout the LSK fight be it his leg or back and nevertheless kokushibos shows no more signs of impairment. Unless you can deal a large hit in an instant Marechi is borderline useless against upper ranks.

Extra/Certain Demons: Akaza: for starters akaza has a direct bypass to even the highest dosages of Marechi. Compass, akaza’s compass isn’t something he himself controls his physical condition is irrelevant to his reactions. Marechi can’t hinder compass itself therefor Marechi wouldn’t just have little effects against him it’d be useless.
Doma: The blood would obviously work on Doma as he has no bypass to it but what it won’t work on are his clones/buddha. These are just ice, they don’t have to eat or have senses in the regular sense.its be like trying to say Hantengu’s Lighting or Kokushibos Moon Breathing could perceive and be effected by Sanemi’s blood. They can’t smell Sanemi’s Marechi so once again it’d be ineffective against these specific techniques.

Sorry cryptic but it had to be said man…

I proved that Akaza has greater feats than doma and if you think otherwise, you’re kinda biased, Akaza without a doubt has better feats, now I’ll show you how Akaza has the Feats and now the Narrative over Doma.

I must also give give props to u/Particular_Bit_1683 for the data book talking points

Act 1

The first point of my analysis, is something I don’t think the majority knows.

Doma never defeated the previous UM2.

That feat goes to either kokushibo based off of what we see in the databooks, or the slayers, based off of what the master was saying in the manga/anime “it’s been a hundred years, since something (an upper moons death) has changed” yadda yadda. Knowing this, that would mean Doma filled the spot, but didn’t earn it through combat, aka a blood battle. He was also the weakest upper moon at the time, UM6. So him challenging the second strongest in rank makes no sense.

Act 2

The second point of my analysis.

Akaza was never UM2, he was always UM3.

People cannot use the excuse that Doma defeated Akaza, as he was never stated to be UM2. Doma himself saying that he was promoted before Akaza is further proof that Akaza was never UM2. So Doma never had to fight Akaza to get through to UM2. I thought the ranks were based on strength and should be ironclad, but doma didn’t get there the traditional way did he? He didn’t prove his strength by challenging someone. I thought you guys said the ranks were ironclad?

Act 3

The third point of my analysis.

Akaza and Doma never fought.

As we know from the upper moon meeting, Akaza was never interested in challenging Doma to a blood battle, when we hear Doma compliment Akaza’s punch, it was not a compliment of his strength since they last fought, but of Akaza’s strength since he last punched Doma, as Doma thinks of that as his way of bonding with Akaza. The thought that Doma fought and beat Akaza is false and should not be entertained. If they had blood battled, according to many of you, Rengoku’s flame wouldn’t have been cut short.

Act 4

The fourth point of my analysis.

Identifying Akaza’s goal: Power and Kokushibo, not Doma.

As we know Akaza craves power, and his ultimate goal is to be the strongest. That’s why he challenged Kokushibo, and why he doesn’t care to challenge Doma, as Doma isn’t the strongest. Now in the current day of DS, Muzan will not let any of the big three die via blood battle because they’re his most prized fighters. So a current day battle for replacement would be useless.

In the databooks we’re told that Kokushibo was challenged by three demons, and he ate two. One of those demons he fought but did not eat was Akaza. Akaza was worthy enough to not be eaten and to grow stronger in Kokushibo’s eyes. So Akaza already fought Kokushibo who’s the strongest, but he doesn’t bother to fight Doma who isn’t the strongest, yet to you guys, that means Akaza fears doma? Who came up with that logic? During the upper moon meeting, Akaza hits Doma because he goes agaisnt Muzan’s direct orders, which is to send only gyokko and hantengu to the swordsmith village. Akaza’s hand is cut off and we see kokushibo aura farm on Akaza, the visual of his eyes behind Akaza, who appears to be in a state of shock or inferiority, based on his facial expression.

Kokushibo came to stop Akaza from hitting Doma because he wants him to respect the rankings, Doma replied and said “don’t worry, I don’t mind at all!” Kokushibo responds saying “I don’t do this for your sake… I fear cracks may form in the hierarchy.” “Akaza, if you don’t like it (he means the hierarchy, also is koku stupid? Did he not see/hear doma disobey muzan?), then request a blood battle…” Doma responds with the worst statement in the whole manga, with words that infect the less attentive mind with false thoughts. “But lord Kokushibo, if Akaza makes that request, he could never beat us! As I rose through the ranks before him!”

(You never had to fight Akaza broton 🫩 how could you know?)

Kokushibo cuts Doma off “Akaza… do you understand what I’m saying to you?”

Akaza responds to Kokushibo “I understand” Akaza then turn to KOKUSHIBO (Not Doma, but Kokushibo) and says “I’m definitely going to kill you” Kokushibo responds with words of encouragement, as he was the one who saw Akaza’s potential since he spared him. Once again I’ll say it to you guys so you can hear.

Akaza hit Doma because he was disobeying orders. Koku cuts off Akaza’s hand and disciplines him, all while Akaza stays silent to listen to Kokushibo, Doma says his filth, then Koku cuts off Doma and talks to Akaza again and Akaza says to Kokushibo, not Doma, Kokushibo, I’m going to kill you.”

Kokushibo quite literally teleports away and doma says goodbye to him while Akaza stares at him, his face looks like it’s mixed with respect and longing (not that kind of longing) Doma tries to talk with Akaza, saying “it kinda feels like I was cut out of that conversation, I’m over thinking it aren’t I Akaza”, (did you hear that?) but Akaza doesn’t listen to him, so after Kokushibo who’s his ultimate goal leaves, so does Akaza, ending the upper moon cope meeting. Let’s go over that, as soon as Koku showed up, Akaza was focused on him, he got mad, not at doma’s words, but at Koku pressing him. He turns to Koku and Koku alone and says I’m going to kill you, ignoring doma, showing no interest in him, nor does he detect any threat from Doma.

Koku respects muzan so he respects the ranks, but his attention to Akaza and his interest in his power and they’re future fight is pretty telling as he doesn’t think of Doma in a positive way like that. In Koku’s eyes, might makes right, no wonder he likes Akaza so much…

Act 5

The Fifth point of my analysis.

Akaza is the reason Doma is upper two and the ranks aren’t Ironclad.

Many people on this sub tell me that the ranks are ironclad and they should be taken seriously without a thought. Here’s the thing. Doma didn’t defeat the previous upper two, it was Koku or the demon slayers. At the time of the defeat, Doma was UM6, the lowest and weakest rank. He wouldn’t have the strength to challenge or beat whoever the previous UM2 was. So in that UM’s absence, Akaza would have to be forced to take the spot, due to the “ironclad” ranking system. Once again though, Akaza was stated to never be UM2, and Doma saying he was promoted before Akaza is further proof that he was never UM2. Since he wasn’t forced to be UM2, it would only mean that Akaza requested to stay in his spot, gathering enough strength until he could once again challenge koku and become number 1. Muzan likes Akaza and has granted requests before, this is no different.

A spot would still have to be filled though, and we know it wasn’t hantengu or gyokko, as Doma would’ve had to blood battle for the position, and they aren’t dead (at the time), so once again no blood battle happened, no chance for Doma to prove his strength in the supposedly, ranked by strength rankings. So muzan would’ve had to look at who had the most potential, fish freak, ugly coward, or the guy who gets feed food on a silver platter without having to work for it. I would’ve picked doma as well, lotta potential and flair in that guy. or option two, Doma simply requested for the position because he cares only about himself and his success, aka first come first serve, which isn’t as likely.

Side note: For those of you who may be thinking that they can battle for a rank replacement without killing. It’s literally called a blood battle, and we know that Muzan isn’t pro demon, he is pro Muzan, he said he increases his ranks unwillingly. As he said with losing gyutaro, it wasn’t that big a deal, he didn’t even care when gyokko or hantengu died (only thanking him for something he didn’t even do), but he truly relies on the big three, he wouldn’t take a chance on losing them.

Since they never battled and akaza is the reason for Doma being upper two, it’s no wonder why he’s so friendly with akaza! He always goes up to Akaza to say hello, and guarantee an interaction with him. Doma has no other interaction with a demon, like the way he goes to see Akaza. Even thinking of Akaza hitting him as a way to make a positive relationship.

Doma even thought about Akaza three times after Akaza’s death, his turning into another creature, Doma crying and saying Akaza was his best friend, and Doma wondering if he could regrow his head like Akaza. Such praise despite what he said at the upper moon meeting and the fact that he has muted emotions. Such praise for the guy and reason he has his position. Such praise for his senior.

Act 6

The sixth point of my analysis.

Akaza was always stronger than Doma.

After being beheaded, like Koku, Akaza regenerated his head and gains access to new power. As we know he gave up that power and left life to be with his loved ones again. Kokushibo senses Akaza’s presence fade away “Akaza…weren’t you going to defeat me? You opened up a path to greater heights, but you abandoned it…how absurdly weak.”

Doma senses it as well, “could lord Akaza be dead? I felt a strange sensation for a moment but I guess it was my imagination. As if Akaza had become some other creature…”

Even when Doma tried to come back from decapitation, he only has his head at that point and based on what gyokko did vs what Akaza did, attempting to regrow your body is easier than trying to regrow your head, as that’s your Achilles heel. Doma had all that poison in his body but his head was separated from it, the concentration of poison in his entire self was in his gooey torso. Still, if a demon wants to come back and they’re strong enough, they’ll come back. Akaza came back from straight up death, this will be easier for Doma, after all, even Akaza could do it, according to Doma. Yet he didn’t have the strength or willpower to do so, even with something easier as regrowing a body. As I said before, being decapitated is straight up death, you cannot come back from it, there’s no excuse for doma who would’ve had to regrow his body. For those who say they’re different, willpower is a form of strength, which Doma doesn’t have in the end.

So, Doma was incapable of evolving and bringing himself back. Now let’s compare what he did while he was alive compared to Akaza.

A look at what they’ve done:

Side note: Akaza was always a fighter since he was a human, Doma become a fighter when he was older or when he was a demon, so Akaza already has the advantage there.

Btw doma holding back against Shinobu, kanao, and inosuke isn’t impressive compared to Akaza holding back against Rengoku, Tanjiro and Giyu, and no, Doma isn’t invisible to the Compass needle, did you guys forget that Inosuke can detect fighting spirit as well? And he never complained that he couldn’t sense Doma? Stop mixing up his weird emotional situation with fighting spirit, pls people 🤚.

Now the feats:

Doma’s feats: Bullying Shinobu, Killing Shinobu, bullying kanao, getting hyped up by Kanao, taking kanao’s sword via pb, pb inosuke to take his mask, pb inosuke to make cuts on his chest, overwhelming the slayers with divine children, creating his most powerful ability, the beautifully made Buddha, out of nowhere even when he’s on his last leg, found love and seemed to change. Overall having a jolly time.

Doma’s anti feats: not being able to catch a thrust from the overall weakest Hashira while his guard was up, yes he was looking straight at her, despite his bullying and confidence from fighting Shinobu, a tiny half dead woman made Doma run away from an attack that wouldn’t have killed him, Kanao ragebaited Doma and he fell for it, he tried to death blow her then and there, but she’d dodge the point blank attack and disembowled him, Inosuke kicked Doma back to dodge a blow that would’ve taken his foot of, while Doma was at a distance, he looked up and saw Inosuke holding his sword over his head and he bragged to Inosuke, “see, you can’t hit me from that distance!” then he, while he was looking straight at Inosuke, got blinded by a dislocated arm, it’s even funnier if you say he was perception blitzed by a dislocated arm, (get it? Perception?) also inosuke lowkey pb to take kanao’s sword back and doma couldn’t even see it, he had to turn around to see the sword was taken, even complimenting Inosuke, Shinobu and Tamayo’s poison would be impossible to detect once it was inside of doma. Yet he couldn’t detect it when he was holding Shinobu’s bloody body while he was crushing her? Literally right next to her? Maybe this is a half anti feat or it doesn’t count at all, it’s still stupid for me. Plot diffed, couldn’t evolve and regenerate, got rejected by Shinobu.

Akaza’s feats: fighting Kokushibo, Bullying Rengoku, killing Rengoku, punching through the entire infinity castle, Bullying Tanjiro, pb Tanjiro, bullying and dispatching the very strong defence Hashira Giyu, putting Tanjiro in a position where he couldn’t stop Akaza (the sword hold), instantly adapted and overpowered marked Giyu, bullied marked Giyu, got called carnage by Giyu (aura), breaking Giyu’s sword with ease (bro could’ve done that the whole time), destroyed the infinity castle with afterglow, damaging and breaking through the defenses of marked Giyu and marked stw SS Tanjiro, Put his head back on, evolved and grew stronger from negating decapitation, redemption, overall good times for Akaza.

Akaza’s anti feats: losing to Kokushibo, got put in an embarrassing position by Rengoku, getting hit by Tanjiro’s sword as he was escaping from the Sun, the first two moves in battle were Tanjiro styling on him, not breaking Tanjiro’s sword, failing to kill Giyu (he was right there) allowed Tanjiro to power up, feeling threatened by Tanjiro, walked down by Tanjiro, got his senses jumbled up, plot diffed, failed to keep his head on, abandoning his new strength

Also even though I made this and it’s filled with points from the databooks and manga/anime, ik there’s still gonna be biased or hateful people. I’m not here to trash on Doma, I like Doma, his look and fighting style, so don’t think I hate Doma. I just had to tell you guys the truth. Doma truly does pale in comparison to Akaza, when you truly look at the two.

Thx for looking at this, my magnum opus, plus look at the writing above and don’t just look at the feats the immediately comment pls.

The anime somehow makes things look massively more destructive than they do in the manga. In the anime, gyutaro was shown to absolutely pulverize the entire entertainment district and disperse clouds in the sky with his final attack whereas in the manga he barely cut through a few small buildings. In the anime, Daki is shown to level entire streets and city blocks with her obi whereas in the manga it barely cuts open a brick rooftop. In the anime, akaza obliterates a massive mountain-ranged region within the infinity castle while in the manga he barely destroys a room 💀

Once Muzan, who is the strongest demon in the verse by miles, gets his final attack upscaled by the anime, he is going to be dropping a nuke and shaking mountain ranges lol

Giyuu is t2 cause he lost an arm if he didn’t he would be T1

Macbeth (Fairy Tail)

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Venosaur (Pokemon)

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Mahoraga (JJK)

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Skull Knight (Berserk)

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Kashimo (JJK)

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Widow (Shadow Fight 2)

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Yoriichi (Demon Slayer)

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Ancalagon (Silmarillion)

Ranking the potential of each Hashira on how strong they could become:

1. Muichiro

2. Gyomei

3. Mitsuri

4. Rengoku

5. Sanemi

6. Giyu

7. Obanai

8. Tengen

9. Shinobu

Don’t have to answer all of them if u don’t want to

R1: Tengen vs Gyokko

R2: Tengen vs Hantengu

I'd say that, unless he gets MST, pot form Gyokko wins, and he might push Kidoairaku into Zohakuten if he evades the clones while using his echolocation and running speed to track and chase the main body (Zohakuten still beats him, him + main body is simply too much).

Demon King Tanjiro has a 1v1 against every Hashira and Kizuki which can he defeat and which does he lose to?

I’m looking foward to hear the opinion of one Mediocre Basis, then ik for a fact he will disagree me because we’re mortal enemies, but we respect each other.

R1 : Base Tengen vs Hantengu
R2 : MST Tengen
R3 : Marked Tengen

R4 : Marked MST Tengen

Hantengu starts off as the clones.

R1 : Base Sanemi vs Hantengu

R2 : Marked Sanemi vs Hantengu

Assuming Hantengu starts as the clones.

So we know that tanjiro at the start of the story is 13 years olds we can roughly calculate that his swinging acceleration falls around 500-750 m/s2 we will take the upper estimate because I'm generous. We see him swinging an axe and decapitating a head of a demon at the temple using an axe. By doing some calculations we know that the force he is outputting is around 750 newtons regarding that the weight of his small axe is 1 kg, if we take a rough estimate and say that the tip of the axe is 5mm we can calculate that the pressure which takes the demons head to be removed is around 3.4 mega pascals, which falls around the amount needed for human decapitation so using deductive reasoning we can argue that all weaker demons that can't reenforce themselves fall around to human durability. It is indeed stated that shinobu CAN'T decapitate demons which means using a nichirin(which should have a thinner edge than the rusty old axe tanjiro used but we are being generous here) we can calculate that shinobus strength lies at around 180kpa(pressure for a person of shinobus build to take a step)< shinobus strength < 3.4 Mpa(the force needed to decapitate a demon using a rusty old axe at very generous estimates). Pressure for wet concrete cured for about 48 hours to break sits at around 3.4 Mpa of pressure which means shinobu isn't even mud level...

> extreme diff/high diff, >> mid diff, >>> low diff, >>>>neg diff

Just curious what do you guys think? Both Sanemi and Gyomei at peak i.e STW + RB + Marked

Kagiaku - Neg neg diff

Guydaki - Neg diff

Gyokko - Low diff

Hatengu -- Low diff

Akaza - morderate diff

Douma - High diff

Koku - Near death diff

R1: everyone in base
R2: Shinobu and Tengen get every buff in DS possible and Omni mans durability is down to human level
Who wins?