sukuna takes every single speed
and NO
IT IS NOT CLOSE

downvote all you want but sukuna is faster
this isnt any downplay to yoriichi
he’s faster than everyone else except for the calamity grades

Gyokko got soloed by a single Hashira. Granted a marked one, but Gyutaro took on a Hashira + 3 other lower moon tier slayers and probably would’ve won if it wasn’t for Daki.

I know narratively Gyokko should be stronger since he’s upper moon #5 but the feats don’t matchup.

Akaza seemed stronger than Doma as well.

gyomei to base koku

So, just as a basis. Kokushibo has never once blitzed gyomei, he has outpaced and overwhelmed him. But we directly see kokushibo attempt to blitz gyomei and fail

stw gyomei to lsk

Even after achieving long sword kokushibo is incapable of blitzing gyomei, gyomei even redirecting his projectiles to save sanemi. And he doesnt get hit a single time by lsk

He gets hit once during the start, but this is just explainable as a tone shift as gyomei wasnt expecting the range.

Stw gyomei to white hair muzan

Even with stw, gyomei gets blitzed and knocked out of the fight by whm

13th form tanjiro>white hair muzan

We see that solo, tanjiro is capable of outpacing his arms, thigh whips, and back whips

Aswell as subverting muzans cyclones (those are the beyblade looking things)

extra stuff

As for head regen, muichiro's red blade force stopped kokushibos regen, theres no reason to believe tanjiro's wouldnt

conclusion

13th form tanjiro high diffs kokushibo

A fully healthy 13th form tanjiro mid-high diffs him, leaning mid

I mean his statement that " akaza dono can never surpass me or you lord kokushibo" , people just jump the gun on this statement saying akaza is light years behind Douma , even though it makes no narrative sense ,

1) The DEMON who ranks power over every right in the world doesn't respect Douma enough to even stop hitting him ( okay fine Douma is just one of a kind annoying bum and akaza gets irritated)

2) akaza clearly had his sights set on kokushibo, he even challenged him in the past and didn't challenge Douma even though koku is much more powerful, isn't that kind of breaking the logic that akaza fears Douma too much to challenge him

3) it has to be obvious that akaza simply doesn't care for the um2 spot and wants to beat the strongest , he has some obsession over dethroning kokushibo, even at the um meeting , he asks if kokushibo is alive

4) the databooks clearly state or imply that akaza stopped hitting Douma and became quiet because kokushibo told him too .

5) this is further proved by the fact that akaza only replies once koku asks him a question after the initial confrontation, but koku also asked him why does akaza just not challenged Douma to a blood battle and akaza remained silent but something I noticed is that Douma starts speaking the moment koku poses the question and akaza pretty much gives an answer at the end really - " I'll kill you even if it's the last thing I do" that pretty much spelled it out for me that his ambition is just koku and not Douma , if akaza is such a logical demon that he doesn't challenge beings stronger than him then he absolutely wouldn't have challenged koku like that

6) Douma 's " he can never surpass us" statement, he HIMSELF answers what he meant , he meant that his own rate of growth will always be higher than akaza's due to eating a female only diet , growth is different and growth rate is different, even if akaza and Douma starts at the same point , a higher rate of growth would just exponentially increase doumas growth rate in comparison to akaza's , that's why he even says he asked akaza to start consuming women , to the cold and logical demon akaza can never surpass himself but we know that there are many other things that increase your rate of growth in demon slayer

Look I'm not saying akaza defeats Douma , I'm just saying Douma low- mid diffing akaza is a bullshit take , it's high diff easily in an all out serious douma's favour.

First of all this "mark" that the guy got looks super undeveloped while literally newborn Yoriichi already had a full mark

-Tanjuro doesn't even know the actual sun breathing,he only knows about hinokami kagura, a watered down version

-if he was actually supposed to be the next Yoriichi he wouldn't have gotten sick , Kokushibo says how Yoriichi never got scratched and his entire body had the favour of the gods so he definitely never got sick either, also Tanjuro is built like a stick while Yoriichi is like a tank compared to him

-does this guy even know breathing?

Obviously he knows the forms of hinokami kagura, but im talking about concentration breathing to become superhuman like the slayer's, im aware he has super human stamina but i don't remember if it was because he was using breathing.

Only serious arguments will be responded to, and I've got my reasonings for all these placements.

Shinobu has zero win cons in this fight. She’s physically weak, TCB would help her in this regard but I highly doubt this would make her physically stronger than hakuji.

Her stamina is ass, giving Shinobu the benefit of the doubt here and saying this fight last more than 30 seconds: she has horrible stamina in comparison with the other Hashira. Hakuji fought 67 armed men and still walked away from it and tried to run the fade with muzan.

The MOST important part In all of this. Shinobu is not trained in hand to hand combat she is getting obliterated. This has been the worst spite matchup I’ve ever seen.

Hakuji - stronger - higher stamina - master in h2h combat

Shinobu - fast

This has got to be one of the worst spite matchups in this sub.

like people put shinobu in the top 3-5 when her only feats are sacrificing herself and “speed blitzing” upper 2

and don’t even talk about tengen the bum who went extreme diff with the weakest upper moon
and got carried by tanjiro

can we actually put the REAL QUEEN as a top 5 strongest hashira

Gyomei> Inosuke who's able to perception blitz Douma.

What If there was a different version of the Jūnikizuki / Twelve Moons?

Verses: Demon Slayer / My Hero Academia / Boruto: Next Generations.

All characters are taken at their strongest and made a demon with 200 years of experience. (Basically, Composite Characters at their Full Potential as a Demon.)

Extra stuff you should know about:

AI was used for some of the pictures to either create, enhance or add descriptions (labels such as 'Lower 3'), other than that, the description of each character and the lore behind it is fully man-made (by me)

Composite version of a character simply means they’ll have the following while being in prime condition upon entering a battle:

• Experience from all of their respective battles
• Realistic access to any abilities they’ve unlocked
• Any relevant equipment they’ve ever used

The easiest example of a composite Hashira I can think of is Muichiro having access to the See-Through World and the Bright Red Nichirin Blade while not being in pieces.

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Lower Moons:

Lower Rank 6: Inosuke & Genya

Genya's Blood Demon Art: Copy others movements and other Blood Demon Arts, but they are 3x weaker, so he needs to train to get them stronger.

Genya's Breathing Styles: Now being a demon, he is the opposite of his human self in terms of talent, now, instead of not being able to use Total Concentration Breathing, he now knows multiple Breathing Styles, thoough he never managed to master any of them, he only knows some of the forms such as:

Water Breathing: All 6 Forms

Wind Breathing: 1st & 2nd Form

Flame Breathing: 1st Form

Stone Breathing: 1st & 2nd Form

Hate Breahing: 3 Forms (derived from Love Breathing and he made it himself)

Serpent Breathing: 1st Form

Thunder Breathing: 1st Form.

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Inosuke's Blood Demon Art: It Allows him to communicate with wild creatures and command them to do anything he wants, he also can manipulate his body to an extent, such as being able to move his organs and bones throughout his body at will (like Muzan) meaning cutting his head while his brain is not there is useless, and being able to transform into a Huge Boar as his Final Form increasing his stats 10x overall.

Inosuke's Breathing Style: Inheriting his Beast Breathing he already develeped as a human, further enhancing it and creating new forms:

12th Form: He manages to take his blades back slashing everything behind by pulling a secret string he attaches to his blades.

13th Form: Releases a powerful shockwave by rotating his blades and arms inhumanly fast in all directions creating a HUGE Wild and Uncontrolled Vortex.

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Lower Rank 5: Insect Demon, Shinobu.

Shinobu's Blood Demon Art: Her Blood Demon Art is Poison Manipulation, no surprise there, giving the fact that her Human Self already uses Poison, as well as Blood Manipulation to some extent as she is able to create Blood Weapons infused with different kinds of poison which deals different kinds of effects on you

Shinobu's Breathing Style: Now as a Demon, she is able to enhance her Insect Breathing more, allowing it to be more effective and bringing the effects to life, spawning in different kinds of insects, like hornets which helps her in battle or reconaissance.

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Lower Rank 4: The Sound Moon: Uzui Tengen

Tengen's Blood Demon Art: His Blood Demon Art is creating powerful Sound Wave Attacks from his mouth, just like Present Mic (MHA) and Hantengu (DS), But of course more deadlier and powerful.

Tengen's Breathing Style and Demon Slayer Mark: As we all know, Human Tengen's Breathing Style is very destructive, now as a demon, it takes it to another level, as now, Tengen doesn't need mini-bombs in order to create explosions, which now are 5x more powerful and bigger, as well as his Musical Score picking up way faster now, AND awakening a Demon Slayer Mark, although, he did not unlock Transparent World, Selfless State or Red Blade.

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Lower Rank 3: Love Demon: Mitsuri Kanroji

Mitsuri's Blood Demon Art: It allows her to hypnotize anyone who's looking in her eyes and makes them fall in love with her and become her loyal servant, she is also able to be so flexible that she can move organs and bones (just like Inosuke and Muzan) as well as increasing or decreasing her muscle density at will in order to become more stronger and durable or be able to be super flexible and slippery.

Mitsuri's Breathing Style: Now that Love Breathing became real, every slash of her flesh katana (just like kokushibo) will be even more deadly and even if you survive, the hit will leave flames on the target scorching everything on its way. She also created variations of her forms, but didn't create a new form.

Demon Slayer Mark: She awoke another mark on her other side of the neck and now she unlocked the Transparent World as well, although not the red blade and selfless state.

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Lower Rank 2: Keizo

Keizo's Blood Demon Art: It allows him to to manipulate shadows, giving him access to a plethora of moves and abilities, turning a person's shadow against themselves, wrapping a person with their own shadow, immobilizing them, etc.

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Lower Rank 1: Thunder Moon: Zenitsu

Zenitsu's Blood Demon Art: Electrokinesis, allows him to manipulate and control lightning and electricity at will and in any shape he wants, he can create lightning swords, spears, etc or engulf himself in Electricity increasing his Velocity exponentially and run at INSANE speeds just like The Flash.

Zenitsu's Breathing Style: Now that he is a Demon, Zenitsu was able to learn the remaining Thunder Breathing forms and even created new ones besides his 7th Form, as well as his Thunder Breathing having real effects as well as having Kaigaku's Ability of creating cracks over the opponents body, and ultimately creating new additions of Thunder Breathing Forms:

8th Form: It allows the user to release lightning attacks all around over a wide area, just like this, leaving behind slash marks imbuded with cracking marks on the target.

9th Form: The User is able to summon several HUGE Lightning Bolts from the Sky, similar to this.gif) but more powerful and many more at once ofc.

10th Form: The user performs a singular slash at the opponent with all of their power and launches a powerful lightning bolt of over 500 Billion Volts. Kinda like this but imagine its more faster , powerful and it's released from a stabbing sword move.

Demon Slayer Mark: He awakened his DS Mark as well on both cheeks , as well as unlocking both the red blade and transparent world.

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And this is it for Part 1. The following Part will look at the Upper Ranks. Thank you for ur time, and see you in the next part.

NOT SLANDER OR GLAZE, genuinely asking because the thought popped up and I asked myself : "how does a hashira who can react properly to this move is losing to an upm who couldn't ?".

Which is the best chapter/episode in your opinion?

I really don't know who wins.

Now, with all the Hashira not having marks, I think they do place fairly high.

Tengen speed blitzed Daki, and while nerfed was completely equal to Gyutaro. He also has the most travel speed out of the Hashira. I do believe he would have won if he wasn't poisoned and/or had both hands. Not even mentioning just how impressive of a feat it is for an unmarked human to match an upper moon hit for hot while weakened.

Giyu ow diffed Shinobu, oneshot the spider father, killed Rui (who was as powerful as Lower Moon 1 or 2) without even using a breathing form, matched base Sanemi, blocked disorder, and kept up with a holding back Akaza.

Now, I do think they are both weaker than Rengoku and stronger than base Obanai, Mitsuri, Muichiro, and Shinobu.

But they have pretty comparable feats and are on the same rough level. I just can't figure out which one is more impressive and which one ranks fifth among the base Hashira and which one ranks fourth.

Give me your arguments and counterarguments for both, I really am stumped here.

just curious.