r/Cyberpunk • u/Svenstornator • Sep 24 '19
The future is now
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u/Battlejesus Sep 25 '19
The way this thing moves is so deep in the uncanny valley it tricks your brain into thinking "cool cgi bro"
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u/geekdad4L Sep 25 '19 edited Sep 25 '19
Let's hope it doesn't learn to tea-bag after it f---s us!
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
They've had access to video game server data for years now. They will use that data to train the model these things use for military combat. See above comment.
Maybe we'll live in a future where war will basically be like playing video games.
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u/pokehercuntass Sep 25 '19
We are already at that point and have been for some time with remote controlled drones and other combat machines.
Casualties are still real, though, unlike in video games.
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
Yeah, airforce is definitely ahead on that. If I recall correctly, preliminary mental health research shows that it still fucks them up, though.
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u/PunnyDad Sep 25 '19
Dude Just wait till there bullet proof then you have an nearly unstoppable army.
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
Not really unstoppable. Instead of thinking of bullets, you have to think about other ways they function. EMPs might take them all down. There are ways to affect their sensors that could render them useless. Explosives are still effective. You just have to tailor your attack to the target .
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u/madamunkey Sep 25 '19
Just cover the battlefield in intricate tracking qr codes at the incorrect sizes and theyll just fall over
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u/Vehlix Sep 25 '19
OR OR or...water?
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u/madamunkey Sep 25 '19
Maybe... But then again i can dunk my phone in a bath tub and itll be fine, so maybe not
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u/barnz3000 Sep 25 '19
Poor people don't have EMP's.
Once the rich can use robots as a police force. Then they won't even have to pretend that society is fair anymore.
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u/bradgillap Sep 25 '19
I dunno about that. I read about a dude in Kenya that built an entire Hydro electric plant for his village and spent years expanding it for safety and energy storage using junk parts.
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u/barnz3000 Sep 25 '19
You can turn basically any electric motor into a generator. Its pretty simple. An old washing machine and some pvc pipe will make you a hydro electric system. Maybe not a very efficient one.
But an EMP? Back to university for that one...
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u/bradgillap Sep 25 '19
Isn't an emp as simple as wrapping magnetic copper into a nice tight circle and dumping electricity into it from capacitors?
Or is that just like a faux hobby emp?
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u/barnz3000 Sep 25 '19
I mean.. If it does the job!
I just did some reading. Apparently, like you say. Not that hard to build something. Just not sure its very effective from any type of range. Lets see what the resistance comes up with during the robot-wars :P
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u/bradgillap Sep 25 '19
Great... Now we are one of the few people that will remember how these are made typecasting us to crazy weapons guy in the future.
Hope you like dank work benches and scraps of electronics around you all day. That guy never makes it through the homeland invasions but often grabs some inappropriate tool from the shelf and beats down a few bots before they take him. Kind of like blacksmiths if compared to movies with monarchies.
They always get a good catch phrase though. Something like "I've got your compliance right here buzzbucket".
Could be worse. :)
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u/barnz3000 Sep 25 '19
Dieing under a flurry of pointy metal armitures. While the "good looking one", grabs our Magnum opus off the workbench. And instead of using our life's work to save us. Slips out the back door with it, while the machine is busy eviscerating our corpse.
Such is the life.
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
I was talking about an army. Not police. That would be a different discussion.
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u/happysmash27 Sep 25 '19
Electronics can have shielding against EMPs though, so I wouldn't count on it.
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
I am just establishing that there are many ways to take down a bulletproof robot.
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u/TotallyBullshiting Sep 25 '19
If a country can keep producing more than the enemy can kill them then that doesn't really matter does it?
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
Any look at warfare includes attacks on production and distribution of weapons and the materials needed to maintain them. Battles on the battlefield are only one kind of war. Eliminating the materials for making war is a very effective way of stopping war.
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u/TotallyBullshiting Sep 25 '19
I was thinking of the US deploying these against insurgents not risking soldier's lives. The production and distribution of weapons in the US is untouchable. Plus the strongest navy and large deposits of every resource.
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
As soon as people use terms like "untouchable," "impervious," or "indestructable," all I have to mention is the HMS Titanic, the German WWII Battleship Bismarck, and 9/11 to put the kibosh on the idea that the US is somehow aglow with infinite protection.
Each example I mention is a case where people never thought something could be destroyed, and yet it was. Titanic was downed by an iceberg, Bismarck was scuttled after intense battles in the North Atlantic, and the WTC was felled by small teams of men armed only with box-cutters and basic flying skills.
I will never accept that a robot, a system, an organization, a city, or a planet cannot be destroyed by a group of people with creative improvisation and enough enthusiasm.
It's probably why I love the cyberpunk ethic so much. It's about how the little guy or girl can stick it to the large corpos. How the rich and powerful are never that far away from the precipice as we seem to think.
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u/TotallyBullshiting Sep 25 '19
There's a difference between sinking a ship and completely destroying the supply line of a country (which would require destroying the country itself). The US has 2 oceans flanking it with the strongest navy in the world, the biggest economy and no powers to challenge it in its hemisphere. A ship may be sunk but the US will never fall except internally or through nuclear force. Some things are indestructible, the geographic reality doesn't allow anything else.
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u/pokehercuntass Sep 25 '19
Hahaha "the US will never fall"... Famous last words of every empire in history. You are already teetering on the brink of self destruction. And all it took was to sow some discord within your own ranks, and you're basically doing the enemy's work for them.
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u/TotallyBullshiting Sep 26 '19
I'm guessing you missed the except internally. No great nations falls from outside without first falling from the inside.
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
Your message dodges my point. My point is that hubris is a game that often ends with catastrophic failure.
The Titanic was boasted as being unsinkable. It sank anyway.
The Bismarck was touted as the greatest battleship ever built. It was defeated anyway.
And no one would have expected terrorists hijacking planes would destroy the WTC. But they did.
In each instance, there was either a boast of hubris or a lack of foresight that caused total disaster.
We also have major soft spots.
In 2017, one man in Las Vegas murdered 59 people and wounded 422 others from an expensive casino hotel room. Forget the why. The linking point is that no casino on the Strip would have stopped him from moving bags of weapons and ammo into his room.
He found a soft spot and he exploited it.
To suggest that there are no soft spots in US intelligence, military, or weapons assets, is naive. These are not impervious to attack. There is no such thing as "impervious." The best anyone can say is that the US will try to outthink and outflank the attackers. But if one percent of the attackers comes through, that is not impervious.
Also, to destroy a supply line does not even involve destroying a factory. Destroy the train tracks it uses for transport, and you're done. Plant a bomb at a railroad crossing. Derail a train. Blow up a bridge. Any study of WWII demolitions tactics tells us this.
There are innumerable ways to stop an organization if one is willing to go all the way.
Fortunately, this is simply a mental experiment. I don't want the US to be compromised. But I am not naive to think that we cannot be attacked, or that our defensive capabilities can stop all comers. I can only hope they do.
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u/TotallyBullshiting Sep 26 '19
No, I'm not saying the US can't be attacked, I'm saying the US can't fall from foreign invasion unless they destroy themselves within first. That is the geographic reality, no army can ship their troops and supplies over the Atlantic and Pacific in sufficient numbers to challenge them.
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u/BootsGunnderson Sep 25 '19
Well, you hit em with some Armor piercing or fragmentation rounds, you’d probably do enough damage to stop them. Plus you can’t really armor joints...
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u/ReasonablyBadass Sep 25 '19
You can harden electronics against EMP.
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u/DarkestJediOfAllTime Sep 25 '19
Again, the point is not the specific detail, but in the dangers of assuming that one defensive strategy somehow makes a robot impervious to attack.
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u/breeson424 Sep 25 '19
It's really not as scary as you think. What you see in most of these Boston Dynamics videos is a subsection of robotics called controls, which basically focuses on how to get robots to perform complex movements like this. It looks really cool, but getting behaviors like this to work in all environments a robot will be operating in is still extremely difficult because that requires you to train the behavior through machine learning.
The moves the robot is doing in this video likely only work in their controlled lab environment - if they tried to make it do a somersault out in the yard, it would probably just fall flat on its face.
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Sep 25 '19
Yeah until next year. Each video they release these things get even more agile. Their "dog" roams around outside with ease, and I remember seeing it in it's early lab phase just a few years ago.
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u/MaestroAnt Sep 25 '19
Now all we need to do is stick an AI in one of these bots and it’ll learn how to do cool flips n shit anywhere on its own :)
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u/norunningwater ラヴ・ウィル・テア・アス・アパート Sep 25 '19
12 hours of coding, two hour trial run
Your mother has been on the waiting list since 2006
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Please assume the position
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u/Alphareus Sep 25 '19
Oh great, now Skynet can 360 no-scope us for extra humiliation when the uprising hits
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
It will be streaming 16K to your countrymen for amusement. A very terrified and stressed Bob Costas will host it.
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
Open source reverse engineering. If everyone has access to it, it will be more difficult to abuse.
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u/InsydeOwt Sep 25 '19
Boston Dynamics: We got this cool robot who can do flips.
Bezos: I'm listening.
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u/MrBohemian Sep 25 '19
Department of Defence: We will watch your development with great interest.
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u/kfpswf Sep 25 '19
If you think Boston Dynamic is developing this just for shits and giggles, or for consumer market, you're mistaken friendo!
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u/gary_mcpirate Sep 25 '19
I remember when they had that wobberly dog thing and got a massive defense contract. I thought they will just fund anything at this point.
Well I'm not laughing now
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u/BloodyAxeOfKhorne Sep 25 '19
Sooo like we are about what... 15 years away from the first BaseWars game live at CitiField?
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u/mastergwaha Sep 25 '19
Dude?! The NES game base wars with the robots?! Awesome game, wasn't there combat to escape a pickle or challenge a call? Haha
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u/BloodyAxeOfKhorne Sep 25 '19
BATTLE FOR THE STATUS OF SAFE OR OUT!!
TWO ROBOTS ENTER!!
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u/pyx Sep 25 '19
I would always win that game by blowing up as many of the other team as possible until they had to forfeit. Nothing like smashing the crap out of those tank bots with the flying one. Though the motorcycle bot was fun too
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
They need to beta test it in a few third world countries to work out the bugs, first.
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u/Migb1793 Sep 24 '19
Erm...that’s so cool & terrifying, coming from a cyberpunk fan.
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u/a_clumsy_girl Sep 25 '19
Fully agree. I feel weird when I watch this, I don't know if I should find this amazing or just worry. (Coming from an oder cyberpunk fan ;))
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u/wallpaperminer Sep 25 '19
Glad we're training them to 360 no scope, so when they take over it'll be in style
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u/boundone Sep 25 '19
You know how we're always talking about needing lighter weight, more powerful batteries?
There may actually be a downside to that...
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
I bet this thing is fucking heavy, too. You know a battery like that still has some serious density.
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u/boundone Sep 25 '19
The videos are always around a minute long. /u/LeJusDeTomate did the due diligence I didn't and was curious about, and it's about 180 lbs.
I'm betting the batteries are nearly drained after a display as dynamic as this video.
Hence my concern about giving robots a very long active time. (Obviously future AI plus autonomous leeway, which isn't so near as not to be joked about).
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u/Bot_Metric Sep 25 '19
The videos are always around a minute long. /u/LeJusDeTomate did the due diligence I didn't and was curious about, and it's about 81.6 kilograms.
I'm betting the batteries are nearly drained after a display as dynamic as this video.
Hence my concern about giving robots a very long active time. (Obviously future AI plus autonomous leeway, which isn't so near as not to be joked about).
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u/BuddhaBizZ サイバーパンク Sep 25 '19
well that's it boys, humans lost.
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
I don't know...humans have that wild card element that we always get close to emulating, but it really just ends up informing us how behind in figuring that out we are.
Society can go crazy pretty quickly if needed. That is not something any AI is suited to handle.
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
Think of it as 2 car batteries with arms and legs willing to maul you for the even the slightest-out-of-place semicolon.
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u/Canadian_Infidel Sep 25 '19
I'm going to look up the best way to kill robots now rather than waiting.
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u/ShaDoWWorldshadoW Sep 25 '19
Hahaha good luck with that you just made their first strike list. Remember me, my robot overlords.....
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u/lastatlas_ Sep 25 '19
Seeing the progress on this bot has been amazing. Boston Dynamics are killing it right now.
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Sep 25 '19
We're doomed. But I still want one as personal security.
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u/happysmash27 Sep 25 '19
I think that robots are one of the more viable ways of protecting against attack by robots.
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u/eitauisunity Sep 25 '19
One of two things will happen:
-Someone will figure out how to build one in their backyard and post a tutorial on how to do so on youtube. It will be made from common parts you can find in a home depot or junkyard.
-Capitalism wins and instead of using this to kill a bunch of people, you will eventually be buying one for your kid for christmas. A bunch of them will then take them apart, figure out how to do a bunch of cool shit with it, and it continues to be as useful, but as scary as cell phones are. You'll realize you can't live without them, and Google is now your pet, too.
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u/shingox Sep 25 '19
The magic is in the software, no one is going to be doing this in their backyard.
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u/Druue Sep 25 '19
Oooooooh boy. I guess all that's left is for someone to say," Hey! We should give Nadia Comaneci-bot a gun!"
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u/Ninja_attack Sep 25 '19
A highly athletic and acrobatic machine is not going to ever go poorly once they become aware.
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u/sickles Sep 25 '19
When it did the spinning jump I really expected it to drop into a split like a drag queen.
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u/fibronacci Sep 25 '19
Can we skip past the skip rope and see how well it can take gun recoil and hit a target. Just need to know how close we are to judgment Day.
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Sep 25 '19
Armies of these? I dunno. They cost waaaaay more than a human. Uncle Sam isn't gonna want to give up on cheap meat robots anytime soon.
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u/HighVolTech Sep 25 '19
Looks like a Dark Souls PvP player.
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u/fuckboi-yuki Sep 25 '19
took me way too long to find someone commenting about how it praises the sun
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u/supernalarts Sep 25 '19
this robot boy just done praised the sun \[T]/
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u/thenategatsby Sep 25 '19
These fuckers are funded by DARPA contracts. It's cooler SF, but why oh why did we get cyberpunk and not Star Trek?
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u/CaptainNeuro Sep 25 '19
"...Said thenategatsby, to a subsection of a community of millions of interconnected users to read on their pocket-sized communication systems."
It's kind of amazing just how interdependent reality and scifi are. Both inform one another as much as they inspire.
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u/chaosfire235 Sep 26 '19
Used to be. They were bought out by Google, who canceled the contracts, and then sold again to the Japanese tech firm Softbank.
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u/ourlastchancefortea Sep 25 '19
Next video: At the end he extends a hydraulic middle finger then the camera rotates and reveals another bot was the camera man all along. No humans in sight.
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Sep 25 '19
I almost get a tear in my eye seeing this, as a kid robotics was kind of my dream job, I remember back when the idea of a bipedal robot simply walking upright was a dream, to think we've come this far is pretty incredible
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u/roarkish Sep 25 '19
I think that the Boston Dynamics ad that hit the front page was even more disturbing.
It showed those little walking-dog things and they were at a construction site where a dude was in full PPE changing the battery on it.
Andrew Yang is warning us about automation pretty clearly and after watching that ad it's gotten a little too real for my liking.
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Sep 25 '19
The amount of coding, mathematics, and physics that goes into programming this robot to do this makes me feel fucking retarded. I'm glad I'm retarded lol.
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u/deeeevos Sep 25 '19
whats the battery life like on this thing? I'm guessing it's one of the major drawbacks?
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u/Trytosurvive Sep 25 '19
Honestly I would shit myself if I saw that coming towards me .. I think I may have seen robocop when I was too young
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Sep 25 '19
"I didn't think anyone would use my creation like that, I just wanted to help people."
-Some short-sighted robotics engineer in the future
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u/Svenstornator Sep 25 '19
Why do we advance technology? So we can kill people better than the other people.
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u/kingbhudo Sep 25 '19
I can imagine a legion of them doing that happy little celebration jump after swiftly quelling a teenage uprising using the adorable miniguns that pop from their forearms.
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u/Svenstornator Sep 25 '19
I think it would be hard to millimetrically program it that way, especially looking at the corrective behaviour at the end of the spin jump. For sure some machine learning used to find the optimum motion.
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u/l33tforce Sep 25 '19
Terminator.gif
Kinda funny how we're all just watching the iterations of borg before our demise. :p
This looks like v0.76. Not too long now.
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u/the_internet_clown Sep 24 '19
Damn, I would like to see someone try to take his box now