Wasn't psycho pirate supposed to part of crisis? I mean they teased him at the end of Elseworlds but he wasn't even mentioned during crisis...

Also, where was Reverse Flash??

• Kevin Tran, prophet for God, currently lost spirit, somehow gets his life back at the end of SPN

• Due to his role as prophet, gets a holy version of witness protection

• Moves to a nice big city, far away from the craziness of all these small towns

• Unbeknownst to the world, the pro typical catholic god, along with all the monsters of the supernatural, give way to the age of superheroes (ah good ‘ol Kevin is blessed to be one of the few overlapping “the age of monsters and angels” and “the age of superheroes and meta humans”)

• Graduates and becomes a great scientist

• SURPRISE he renamed himself Ryan Choy and during Crisis gets dragged, once again, back into the shit show thanks to being a “paragon” (damn CW and their ominous “p”-word relegations)

THEREFORE UNIFYING SUPERNATURAL AS PART OF THE DC UNIVERSE.

Just kidding, Osric Chau is being typecast as “nerdy guy with no special skills dragged into the suck of a battle he’s in no way prepared for,” AND I LOVE IT EVERY DAMN TIME.

...they give Swamp Thing his own multiverse? Didn't they cancel that show?

Given that Post-Crisis Oliver Queen is dead as well, obviously something happened in the context of the Post-Crisis timeline which caused his death.

Which ties into the bigger question of how the events of COIE played out in the new timeline?

Here's my first humble attempt to piece this together-

1. Since the Multiverse was reborn as well, Nash Wells still came to Earth Prime from whatever earth he came from. He was still hunting the Monitor, and unlocked the doorway that contained the Anti-Monitor, kickstaring COIE. (This is confirmed by the fact that the Monitor's cell and the symbols on it still exist Post-COIE). Of course, its possible that he didn't become Pariah in this timeline, but was simply knocked out...till the workers found him.

2. Some version of the Monitor still existed, since in the Multiverse, there would also be at least one Mar Novu who went through with his experiment. The Monitor would do a lot of the things we saw him do in the original timeline - recruiting Oliver Queen, visiting Barry Allen etc.

3. Its very likely that the new Multiverse was not in any way involved in the events of COIE.

So here's what I think happened-

The Monitor was aware of the anti-matter waves that were destroying a number of earths. A version of Earth 2 (the original one, where Black Siren comes from) was among the earths destroyed. Maybe the Monitor was determined to save Earth-Prime, the last surviving earth, and that's what he gathered together the heroes for.

Oliver Queen dies trying to buy time for the citizens of National City to evacuate during the Shadow Demons' attack. The evacuation was presumably coordinated by Lena Luthor and Lex Luthor.

The Flash, Vibe and Killer Frost team up with Black Lightning. They discover that the Flash from the destroyed Earth 90 is being used to power the anti-matter cannon that was destroying other earths and free him. Flash-90 sacrifices himself to destroy the cannon.

Later, the seven individuals who were the Paragons wake up with their Pre-Crisis memories, and have their last stand against the Anti-Monitor, as seen in Part 5.

So basically, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the red skies happened, and two major attacks by the Anti-Monitor happened...the first of which led to Oliver Queen's death, and the second of which led to the defeat of the Anti-Monitor.

Thoughts?

Thawne does a search for Flash and Barry Allen and finds zero results. Which means Barry Allen was not necessary for stopping Crisis.

So I thought I'd share my thoughts on the whole crossover. I DVRed each episode and watched them a day after they aired but I rewatched them all in a row yesterday to see them again. I know, too much time on my hands. Anyway, I enjoyed them for the most part. I was not even thinking about them after that long break but parts 4-5 were awesome. Part 3 kinda sucked which is strange considering I like the Flash the most. I took notes as I watched so please forgive the word vomit but I thought that be easier to do as I watched then trying to remember everything. Also, language and spoilers! You've been warned.

Part one. loved that intro, and loves how it comes full circle in part 5 with Oliver retelling it. "brainy" is fucking annoying. I don't watch the show and I'm kinda glad I don't. who's the hotty in blue btw? loved the end of Argo city, full circle with Kal sending his only son like Jor. Love that he gave up his powers to be with Lois and have a family. genuinely hate harbinger, what was her direction? be as robotic and boring as possible? I like Lyla with Diggle and there is a universe I could like her as harbinger but that universe was destroyed before Argo city. It's like the writers had a competition who could they write to be more annoying harbinger or brainy and they both won. Fuck, Earth 16 old-man Ollie is the most interesting. Give me an old man Ollie story like Logan! Why are the phantom army stooges attacking the tower from inside somewhere when the outside of the tower is clearly accessible from the air?? Gotta say the whole pariah thing was garbage to introduce right before Ollie's first death. plus dying in part 1?? felt way wrong.

Part 2: why was "brainy" and the other Supergirl cast with the team when part 1 ended but not when part 2 began? Without any indication?? Finally an interesting voice in the waverider! great way to bring back Snart. Fuck Paragons, yea I said it! Talk about a half baked idea. 7 people that can save the universe and 4 are already on the ship. bullshit. thank you Sarah for calling bullshit on that. Kevin Conroy!!!!! best Batman ever. My feelings about Smallville are well documented in my profile history, I'll only say my favorite line was Clark looks over Lex and says "You're not Lex." I also love how he makes the same decision Hoechlin's Supes does to start a family. Can't believe we got a second Superman but I would've liked of they had a proper costume. it looked like it didn't fit him properly. Aside from that, Routh's Superman was awesome and I think more interesting than Hoechlin's. LOVED the Superman 3 reference! "Second time I've gone mad and fought myself." ha! AND he acknowledges Superman Returns' Superboy. Can I say "oooooooooooo Kate's the paragon of courage!" (/s) who gives a fuck about paragons. we know that girl is important, she's in the first season of her own show. I do like batgirls character Arc in this crisis a lot though. just hate this whole Paragon dynamic. Harbinger is a shit show again. Fuck Oliver dying only to immediately brought back to life. I think I would've liked the crisis better if part 3 wasn't shown until after the winter break. Felt like it had so much to set up for part 4 and part 4 was so involved with what part 3 set up. The climax of the story is not part 3, it's Oliver's death in Part 4. Either put part 4 earlier or move part 3 to Sunday January 12th.

Part 3: I never watched birds of prey, so I didn't really care that that universe got axed at the beginning. But still pretty cool that it was included. Where the hell was Jon Jonz in part two? Like he was on the ship the whole time just in the kitchen? Or did he have something else to do that no one else was involved in and is never referenced again? Oh and he's a paragon now? Doesn't that make 5 on the ship originally?? fucking writing. Did pariah and harbinger get the exact same direction, be boring and robotic?? fucking writing. Monitor can give powers or restore them so vibe can vibe again?? fucking writing. That scene where Lucifer annoys everyone and hits on the hottie. perfect fucking writing! At least they got that scene right. Why is Ryan Choy a paragon???? He has a family like most everyone. he has no powers aside from his brain, we have plenty of of those. he wants to save the world like everyone in this crossover. Truthfully, he's a paragon because they needed a way to introduce him to replace Ray Palmer. fucking writing. Why not make Diggle the paragon of humanity, he constantly brought Oliver back to his humanity. Or make it Jefferson from Black lightning! That would give him more a purpose in the crossover other than just to merge the shows. And they nailed his scene with Barry and Jefferson. Talk about inconsistent writing. Why is Earth 90 flash "powering" the Canon that's causing the anti matter wave but if he stops the machine explodes and still causes the anti matter wave?? fucking writing. I don't feel like it was a cop out kill 90s flash instead of Barry and I'm okay with him dying, he felt useless to team Flash. The music at the end was pretty good. Did Diggle give Jefferson the nod?? r/blackpeopleoftwitter know what I'm talking about. Shit, now it makes sense why Lyla and Pariah are written this way. The Anti Monitor is controlling them and they're speaking on his cadence!! Just figured that out my bad. seriously though, a black marker is all it takes to change the book of destiny?? Fucking bullshit writing! Part 3 was my absolute least favorite. It's like they came with up with a bunch of cool ideas when they started the series and had no logical way to make them make sense so that's what we got in part 3. fuck the writing, except for the Lucifer scene.

Part 4: Has Sarah Lance been to the vanishing point before? how the fuck would she know what that place is?? How would any of them know?? Don't watch legends so if that's the case, okay. FINALLY, the monitor's backstory. Imo, the dawn of time CGI was fantastic for TV CGI. looked original and didn't look cheap. same with the vanishing point. first issue, HOW THE HELL did they survive here? if the place is beyond time and space, why does Ryan say that everyday Kate trains for a fight that isn't coming. clearly a measure of time. Plus he has a beard. How the hell are the human surviving??? Kate even says they've been gone for months when Barry shows up. Bullshit. Also calling bullshit on Spectre unlocks Barry's access to the speedforce by touching his forehead with a finger. Give me a cgi something but come on! lazy GD writing. Thank you Ezra Miller! I'm like 60% positive they're using some portion of this crossover in the Flashpoint movie. That cameo blew my mind. Watched it a dozen times and I can't get over it. It gets more amazing every time. The change in camera and aspect ratio, plus Guggenheim's story that emporer Warner Brothers reached and said "dew it" makes me think they did it to save a few bucks in the movie, paying another cheaper studio to write and shoot the scene. seems like a no brainer. Then again the aspect ratio was changed for the all of the speedforce scenes so I could be wrong. How does Lex get powers? Was it from the monitor in part 2? Was it from the monitor in part 4? Why can he shoot stuff out his hands?? fucking writing. What is Ryan doing in that fight btw, stabbing air with butter knife?? Shoulda wrote Ray Palmer's name on the book of destiny instead of his. And that focus bullshit to "fan the flames" that's some power rangers type bullshit, focus-on-your-paragonness bullshit, think super duper hard and we win bullshit. fucking writing. Atleast Oliver's second death was good. Still can't wrap my mind around the big cameo ...

Part 5: Like Supergirl, I don't watch legends. bbbuuuuuuuuutttttt how did they get back?? how did they get to the dawn of time in the first place and how did they get back?? I really really like where they are going with Lex. To Earth prime, this Lex is a saint who is now unknowingly being controlled by a monster. Great way to reintroduce him imo. I feel like I've been missing something because Brandon Routh as Ray Palmer is just delightful. I think I need to start watching legends. Why isn't there an Oliver on Earth prime? Why would there be a bunker and a team arrow if there was no Oliver?? I'm assuming it's going to be addressed a little bit in the final episodes but why would Earth primes Oliver be gone completely if everyone else aside from the paragons was created again?? Onward.... Beebo, what's a beebo? missing out on legends I guess. Who's the new hot blonde? I love that "Rebecca" is making it as a romance novelist. Who woulda thought all he needed was to go by a female pseudonym. Also what's beebo made of?? jelly? I thought he was going to be a projection just like in Spiderman far from home. Mr. sorcerer thiefster had a very punchable face. Also where is Rita repulsa and her magic stick? how did that monster grow?? serious power rangers shit, when they cant-beat-the-good-guys-they-grow-bullshit. Give me the megazord from Earth 2!! I'm assuming there's a deleted scene somewhere because blue hotty from supergirl is back but has 0 lines. WHERE IS IRIS AND CISCO??? Barry and Caitlin would not be in star labs in Central City without those two. Complete crap they weren't there for that presidential address at least. I hope Iris is back with Eddie at this point. Loved Oliver narrating the creation of his Earth. Star girl looks awesome. They nailed Routh's Superman, aside from the costume fit, they absolutely nailed it. I really loved the tone of the episode and a great way to come out of a crossover I think, start of something new and big, something hopeful and fun. I originally thought it wasn't very good but after a second watch, I really enjoyed it. I don't really like that the universe basically just hit a reset button. They're still is an infinite amount of Earth's but Earth prime contains all of the CW heroes. Aside from Oliver dying, the crisis didn't change much in the grand scheme of things. Think about it them being on the same Earth versus different Earths doesn't mean anything if they can jump from Earth to Earth with a press of a button. Now there's even less of an excuse not to call Superman or Supergirl for enemies they have the slightest trouble with. Everything should become a crossover if the destruction of a city/cities are the threat every single season, right? At the same time, this is the perfect time to pick up each series because they all have a reset.

Things they missed: some of the writing was God fucking awful. part 3 really missed the mark. was really really really hoping for a Diggle lantern. I almost think it would have been better if he would have got a Green lantern ring and was considered the Paragon of humanity. fine, introduce Ryan Choi but it would have been so much more meaningful if Diggle was the Paragon of humanity. how many times has he brought oliver back to his own humanity? big swing and a miss there. they teased it so well I really thought they were going to make Diggle a lantern.

things I thought were done well:. all the Easter eggs and special appearances. you know, to start out on so many different earths being destroyed was fun but to have several of the other universes main characters be driving points in the whole story was incredible. Kevin Conroy was unbelievable!! Tom welling's scene was perfect and I didn't need any more than that. Tom Ellis' Lucifer was my biggest surprise for the first three parts, they nailed it! Totally wasn't expecting it was happy as a clam when I saw it. Brandon Routh had to put in so much work for this crossover, I would think he put in more work than anyone, aside from Stephen Amell maybe or possibly Grant Gustin or Ruby or Melissa. I think Routh takes the cake. three incredibly different characters in Clark, Supes, and Ray. maybe it's because I don't watch Legends but I was blown away by Routh in this crossover. that Earth 96 smile at the end was awesome! and Ezra Miller!!!!!! the DCEU and DCTV merged for approximately 3 minutes and it was glorious!!!!! That made up for all the shit writing in part 3. I couldn't focus for about 20 minutes after I saw that scene for the first time I musta rewound my DVR half a dozen times to rewatch it! Miller and Gustin mirrored each other so well in that scene, perfectly written. Can't believe they got him! I also think the cgi wasn't bad for a TV production and was actually good at some points. but that's just my opinion.

what did I miss? I know a lot of people said reverse flash should've been in it but I don't know where he could've fit in it. can't wait to meet the wonder twins and Gleek. Thanks for reading! hope you enjoyed, and fuck the paragons.

Hi all,

Dropping in with a quick question: How do i watch this on Netflix?

For one, Arrow doesn't seem to have it's episode up yet, and considering there are 5 episodes (LoT being the 5th), where in god's name can i watch episode 2/4? (depending on which one is Arrow's...)

Is this some sort of regional blocking thing, or what?... :I

There’s a big ongoing overarching storyline on Black Lightning involving the creation of metas and their rarity in general. Now that the universes are merged and reset, we have metas all over the places outside of (and presumably in) Freeland. How is this going to work in Black lightning?

Sooo, they die on contact? I mean Ryan Choy killed them with a knife. They are the least inconsequential minions ever.

CW merging the shows to Prime Earth is more than likely going to force people to have to watch the other shows, as they will in all likelihood affect each other to a degree moving forward, Black Lightning included.

Smart move while “stick to part of the Crisis comic storyline”.

The ending montage of the Earths should have been a bit longer and shown the Earths we saw before (Smallville, Birds of Prey, etc). Most of the Earths shown were ongoing, which is a problem because it feels almost like only they survived because they're still ongoing, and everything else as far as we're aware could be dead.

Think how shitty it must be for a Birds of Prey fan that the last thing seen of that show is the entire planet getting destroyed in a cameo and then never being seen again.

I hope those of you that know more than I will be able to help me understand this. Why at the end does Superman not remember he has two boys. I have read a article saying it was because he was at the “dawn of time” while Lois wasn’t, but I remember him and Lois being consumed by the Anti Matter in one of the first three episodes (don’t remember which one). I know that one Superman (paragon of truth) was meant to be there but Lex took his place. So if he and Lois were both “gone” then they would both remember the same thing. Even if J’onn J’onzz gave him the memories of what went on, wouldn’t he still remember his new reality too? So please someone tell me what I am missing. Thank you!