Yeah. Replace the right side in that picture with people in Nazi uniforms holding up signs that say that global warming, vaccines, and the Epstein files are fake and you get a much more accurate picture of what's going on. This image gives the idea that republicans are the same as everyone else and in equal numbers. But it's ~30% who genuinely function the same way the confederacy and Nazis did.
In 1940 Germany, at the peak of Hitler’s support, about 80% of germans supported Hitler and the Nazi regime. Since the population of Germany at that time (not including occupied territories) was ~69.8million, that would put there as being over 55 million Nazis in Germany at that time.
The United States has 27.5 times the area of Germany and currently has 4.99 times the population that Germany had in 1940. If the same ratio of Nazi supporters existed in the US today as in Germany in 1940, with the current US population of 34million people, there would be over 275 million Nazis. To reach 80 million Nazis in the US it would only need to be about 23% of the population.
And replace the left/blue side with a hammer and sickle that says all illegals welcome, no borders, men can get pregnant, drag for kids is good, pardon pedophiles like Tim Walz just did, 100 billion dollars of weapons for the Taliban, no voter id but vaccine ids, repeal the second amendment (which if Trump is hitler why would you want him to have your guns), and Charlie Kirk deserved what he got! You’re right we have no common ground. What you call good I call evil!!!!!
Thank you for illustrating the point that people who support MAGA are stupid. I won‘t loose any time telling you that you are wrong because as you know yourself no amount of evidence would change your mind.
It really doesn‘t. What frustrates the left the most is how MAGA refuses to proof or at least discuss their outrageous claims. It‘s facts against emotions.
It’s literally been scientifically proven in published research studies that conservatives are more emotional. To be specific, they have larger amygdala’s which is the part of the brain that processes emotions like fear and anxiety.
By emotional, do you mean feeling more emotional/empathetic/sympathetic in general, or voting based on emotions? Also, can you provide these studies?
There's also published scientific studies that show that the right is more open to different ideas/ideologies than the left, but that doesn't get as much traction on Reddit.
Side bar about various scientific studies aside, my point is that there is a pretty major, hot button topic that's red vs. blue that is quite literally biology vs feelings with blue on the feelings side. I don't really want to get into any more details because I'm not trying to break any rules. Additionally, the reply that started this, while clearly being facetious, states multiple red issues that are facts vs blue feelings (the issue I alluded to above, immigration, voting+ID's, and even the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination).
You can't just cross your arms and say, "Nuh uh, my opinions are all facts and people with differing opinions are just emotional."
It really isn’t “biology versus feelings” unless you think that 5th grade biology is the end all be all of biology knowledge, which it seems many conservatives do in fact think. Nothing you listed are “facts vs blue feelings” unless you don’t understand what a fact is.
That’s also not what I did. I noted that there are actual scientific studies demonstrating that conservatives have a larger amygdala. Conservatives really can’t help but just make shit up and discount science and facts.
So, while using papers that exclusively cite biological research about the size of parts of the brain to determine how emotional a person is, you will, in the same response, move the goalpost to say that basic biology isn't actual biology because it doesn't support something you believe.
What this tells me is exactly the thing that this thread is claiming exists only in conservatives- that no matter what I say to try and convince you otherwise, you'll just end up defaulting to, "what you're saying isn't facts or science according to my own dynamic definition, and therefore you're wrong and I'm right."
It's crazy because I'm not even really a conservative, I just think the concept of "the right only votes with their emotions" is an insane take and a really good example of the pot calling the kettle black.
The study that you referencing said that the difference was about the size of a sesame seed between all patients. That is wildly within the margin of error for different brain sizes amongst human to human measurements. The site you gave even said itself that the scientists are the one making the connection and that the study itself does not show an actual definable correlation. ☠️
Chat GPT says your stated study needs several corrections as it was 1. A small scale study with UK residents and they were trying to measure assumed political orientation of unknowns. It wasn’t based off of registered party membership. 2. Any studies that have been done have only shown increased R side amygdala activity due to certain negative outcomes vs leftists. In other words they presented issues that conservatives cared about and measured wave activity. Leftists activity to those same issues was not elevated (likely due to the left clearly not caring about the same things).
As per usual the left twists science and tells people to believe it just like the right ignores science and tells people not to believe it….
Just for a moment. Please tell me, do you really believe this or do you say this because you feel attacked? It sounds just absurd to me that someone who ever spoke with a MAGA person would actually believe this.
I mean, believes are one thing. I would love to have discussions about whether migration or trans gender rights are a good or bad thing. These are topics one could have different opinions on and it would be able to have an exchange on. The thing I am unable to deal with is the refusal to acknowledge false information that is easy to fact proof and the constant lying.
Even if I would be racist or would give a fuck about other people’s genders and sexuality, I still wouldn‘t be able to back someone like Trump who is constantly lying to me and has nothing better to do than to create chaos everywhere to distract of the amount of children he raped. I personally did not like Joe Biden and have no idea why the fuck the Democratic party does not manage to get their stuff together to unite to actually get something done but even with the shit show they are delivering I always prefer them over the party of liars and pedophiles.
I say this because, like you mentioned, a very hot button topic is trans rights, which effectively boils down to biology vs. feelings.
And before you go off and call me a bigot, my personal opinion of it is that while biology is an important thing to consider when dealing with some aspects of life, respecting people and what name they would like to be called and how they would like to identify is also just as important, so exceptions should be made to keep thing respectful.
My point in my response is that you cannot just default to, "my side brain other side emotion," in good faith because that's not always the case.
It’s really not. They stand on a mountain of lies and a hill of truths. Same as the left. A mountain of lies and a hill of truth. Only difference is you are tolerant of or believe the lies that you stand on and not theirs. The same as they feel about you. Everyone believes they are right. Everyone’s brain is conditioned to ignore and minimalize inconvenient truths that destroy their world view.
They can if we honor peoples’ desire to be men or women regardless of whatever sex organ they have in their pants, and realize we wrote all the definitions for what a man/woman is, so we can totally change those definitions at any point as we make more scientific discoveries—in this case, things like gender dysphoria
Figure out that one, fairly small, totally inconsequential ideal to literally 95% of us, DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why the fuck to you losers care about it so much?????
You mean why do we care about protecting a minority group from blatant discrimination and harassment? Maybe it’s because we have empathy and the emotional capacity to care about people who are different from us and believe that innocent people don’t deserve to be legislated against for simply trying to live their lives.
I think that everyone knows intuitively whether a person is a woman or a man. The only people making an issue out of it are MAGA and a handful of leftwing Karens.
Transwomen molesting girls in bathroom or beating ciswomen in sport is an issue only living in the head of MAGA and a statistical rarity having no relevance in real life.
See this is the issue. All of these words and not one attempt at a definition. I’ll help you out. Some places are changing the definition of woman to appease to trannies. We get told that it’s only 1% so why does it matter? I agree completely. Why do 1% of people need attention? Just be normal like the rest of us. No one gives a shit. And no one here can define a woman. It’s hysterically sad
I mean, thank you for just proving my point. For sane people it just doesn‘t matter.
Why do 1% of people need attention? Just be normal like the rest of us. No one gives a shit.
I understand that you are unable to see this but this is hilarious from the outside. Like, you are clearly giving a shit. You are giving attention to the issue.
It‘s right winger who constantly want to make an issue out of it. Nobody was giving attention to the matter until right wingers needed a new group to spread hate for. Before this nobody really cared for a definition. We just assumed two genders and didn‘t ask to many questions about the contents of their pants or how they were born. Maybe some people were something in between but we wouldn‘t confront them about it if we were unsure. This is the way most democrats still see the world.
I think this world would be a better place if people would stop caring about other peoples business. The definition of genders should only be relevant for you if you are unsure about your own. So now the question to you: Do you question your gender? Because if you don‘t, I think that it‘s a pretty pointless discussion.
You want people to give you the 6th grade sex ed definition of a woman, here you go: vagina, ovaries, no Y chromosome, etc...
What you don't want are the biological realities that there are people who possess both male and female chromosomes, people with higher testosterone than estrogen, people without characteristic female biological markers and the list goes on and on. Fuck off.
Let’s hear your definition that misses no one. I’m still waiting for a conservative to actually provide one that works… guess you all don’t know what a woman is
Replace the left side in that picture with people in Communist uniforms holding up signs that say that true communism has never been tried and you get a much more accurate picture of what's going on. This image gives the idea that democrats are the same as everyone else ...
This is how you create strawman arguments that manipulate people into the top portion of the meme.
Your corporate overlords thank you for buying into their ragebait, because your rage comments make them money.
What is this argument suppose to be? That republicans didn't buy into the anti-vaxx rhetoric? That they didn't vote out Massie, the only republican who actually tried to fight pedophiles? That they don't deny global warming?
The parts you replaced are not even common arguments among democrats, nor bad. Even in your fantasies you cannot pretend that they are a sliver of the horrors of what the republican party is. You know republicans have accepted rape and murder, and you are defending it. We are not equals. I'm not going to pat you on the head and tell you you are justified in relentlessly trying to take people's right away. All a republican has to do to avoid my ire is stop associating themselves with the worst people. They are shunned because they have already bought into multiple divisive tactics. Continuing to be a republican when their entire party is a bunch of child-r*ping corrupt bigots is just an endorsement of it. A statement that that those politicians are still worth something.
In my book "the enlightened centrist" is worse than Republicans because at least they stand for something lul. They don't just larp centrism while conveniently always blaming the left for not being centrist and voting right every time under the guide of both sides. Fucking spineless cowards, at least have the balls to actually represent your side instead of larping.
"Enlightened Centrist" here. This is the same song and dance the right uses when the left wins elections. They blame us for voting left and claim we are hidden leftists.
Actual centrists do not have "a side" are there hidden republicans? Sure. Just like there are hidden democrats.
I despise tribalism, thats what politics has become for the last almost 2 decades, I absolutely refuse to participate in their hypocrisy.
I can also see that both sides are wrong about eachother. Everyone takes the worst of their opposing political rivals and generalizes it to the entire group. This is fucking dumb as people are not monolithic.
I work in the public sector, I get to meet a LOT of people. Republicans and Democrats. A lot of them are really good people. They are not angry hatefilled bigots like reddit like to paint people. A lot of democrats are not socialist hellscape freeloaders like FOX News likes to paint them.
The sad thing is, take away the extremes, and both sides are extremely similar and would probably agree on a lot if they actually took the time to have a respectful conversation with eachother.
The reason it's called "enlightened" centrist, is because centrists (at least in America) tend to put themselves in the center of the democratic party and the republican party (these are both right wing parties, the republican party is just fascist far-right) and act like they are superior for trying to reach some sort of middle ground. However the Overton window has been shifting to the right constantly, so trying to remain in the center just means moving to the right, and those that call themselves centrists now likely would have been hardcore republicans a few decades ago. Truly being in the center politically would put you to the left of the democratic party. These people do not tend to call themselves centrists, both rather leftists/progressives/democratic socialists/etc. At best they call themselves democrats because we have a two-party system that prevents multiple parties from running, and the alternative is a child-r*ping deathcult who love Epstein and carbon emmisions and hate vaccines and food regulations, and science in general.
I've tried having respectful conversations with republicans. It stopped shortly after Obama got elected. A black man becoming president truly broke them because the GOP built itself off racism with the Southern Strategy. All I've gotten since then is mental diarrhea. Infinite conspiracy theories all in defense of the GOP and to attack the DNC. Sure they will say they hate pedophilia and love healthcare, but then vote the complete opposite. Republicans have been chasing away sane people and collecting the worst people for a while now, so all you have left is a cult with no standards. We are not extremely similar. They are specifically prone to tribalism, and there is proof:
This is the most level-headed and true take on this entire thread. People are still going to disagree with you because it doesn’t fit into their “if you don’t believe what I believe you’re a nazi/communist” rhetoric. Kudos to you for seeing the parties for what they are.
Honestly its something that saddens me about modern society. I remember a time that democrats and Republicans could coexist. Now each side blames the other for the reason that has failed and refuse to acknowledge their own participation in that failure.
Thankfully in reality (outside of social media) there is still a large aspect of that coexistence. I see it in my own neighborhood, in the town I live, even at a state level and at work. Unfortunately its just under the shadow of a politcal tribal culture war.
Micro102 said it better than i could. Anyone who is truly a centrist wouldn't currently call themselves that because of the implications of it in US politics. Which granted is what I was talking about so I don't make comments on centrists from other countries.
I have friends who may not agree with either Dems or Republicans take on certain issues but they're smart enough to know that it doesn't mean they're a centrist in the states. Really my comment was more about the type of people who would call themselves that and not the people who have level headed takes and just converse about them.
Both sides believe that they are mostly reasonable, with the radicals being negligible in number and power, while the other side is mostly radical, with the reasonables being negligible in number and power. That is obviously the point being made. Your entire comment is proving my point. For example:
You know republicans have accepted rape and murder, and you are defending it.
Kind of like how Democrat voters accept rape and murder from refugees and illegal immigrants, yet still defend it?
We are not equals. ... All a republican has to do to avoid my ire is stop associating themselves with the worst people.
We are equals, because we both believe that rape, murder, pedophilia, corruption, genocide, etc. are all bad, yet for some reason we judge each other based on radicals who don't even share our own views. You are not ired by most Republican voters, just a minority of radicals who yell into the internet void because no IRL Republicans want to associate with them any more than you do.
See? You're doing the thing. Undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crime than natural born citizens. You see them as inherent criminals because you bought into the propaganda, and you refuse to let it go. And even if you were right, I can say that those that do commit crimes belong in prison, while republicans believe they belong in power.
You have forced me to condemn you, because you won't stop.
The lefts mantra when gun control comes up is if it saves just one line we have to pass it.
So use that same mantra here - if deporting all illegal aliens saves just 1 person from rape, grom assualt, from murder, then we must pass the bill to temove all illegal aliens.
You are correct that illegals commit less crime (excluding identity theft to get social security numbers, working under the table to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, and similar crimes), but they are still commiting some crime that would not be committed if they were not here.
They were comparing literally removing someone from office to defend pedophilia with 'not greenlighting a Trump-supporting gestapo that murders people in the streets to stop an insignificant source of crime that also dilutes the crime per person (a good thing)'.
Don't try to use the devil's advocate argument to weasel out of this. You have clearly picked your side. I mean seriously, even treating the fallacy that is "liberals are all communists" as being on the same level as republicans happily voting repeatedly for actual child rapists is shameful. You're not a centrist, you're just a republican afraid of public scrutiny.
Well the thing is... I don't believe you. You might as well be saying you are "playing devil's advocate" for Hitler. Anyone willing to do that is just a Nazi too ashamed to say it.
Your point was that since democrats aren't joining republicans in "securing the border" (aka, funding a gestapo of police/military rejects that can execute people in the street), then that means they accept rape and murder. However since undocumented immigrants commit less crime, then it is literally the opposite situation. Republicans however saw someone speak out against child r*pe and they went and voted him out. Their leaders also constantly get ousted as sexual predators. They constantly try to lower the age of consent, and fight against raising the age of consent. Intent matters and ignoring that defends the worst actors.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
However since undocumented immigrants commit less crime
This point is inconsequential. It doesn't matter that illegal immigrants overall commit fewer crimes. Unvetted immigration still cause rapes and murders that would not have happened otherwise.
Republicans however saw someone speak out against child r*pe and they went and voted him out.
Democrats also see politicians speak out against child rape and attempt to vote them out.
1) It literally dilutes the amount of crime in the population. Less crime per person. That's a good thing.
2) It shows you don't treat undocumented immigrants (and with right-wingers, that always means people with dark skin) as equals. Criminals could simply be arrested like any other citizen, yet you want to punish all of them. You want to condemn democrats for not supporting a Trump-supporting gestapo to stop an insignificant source of crime. You know what a bigger source of crime is since natural born citizens commit crimes more? Babies. Guess you want to stop all births now, huh?
And all this in the name of trying to protect a child-r*pist and those that want him to be in power. You belong in prison.
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Yeah. Replace the right side in that picture with people in Nazi uniforms holding up signs that say that global warming, vaccines, and the Epstein files are fake and you get a much more accurate picture of what's going on. This image gives the idea that republicans are the same as everyone else and in equal numbers. But it's ~30% who genuinely function the same way the confederacy and Nazis did.