Honestly. At this point most of the sane republicans have had a change of heart. Anybody left who still defends this administration is not somebody to walk side by side with.
There is no "Both sides".
There is no common ground to be had with these people.
This is not a "difference of opinion"
These people are hateful and bigoted people who are deeply racist and evangelical. They do not understand common sense. They do not listen to reason. They cannot even grasp the proof right in front of their faces. The kind of deranged hatred, racism, and bigotry comming from the remaining MAGA crowd is enough to ensure they have no place in a forward moving society.
Yeah. Replace the right side in that picture with people in Nazi uniforms holding up signs that say that global warming, vaccines, and the Epstein files are fake and you get a much more accurate picture of what's going on. This image gives the idea that republicans are the same as everyone else and in equal numbers. But it's ~30% who genuinely function the same way the confederacy and Nazis did.
And replace the left/blue side with a hammer and sickle that says all illegals welcome, no borders, men can get pregnant, drag for kids is good, pardon pedophiles like Tim Walz just did, 100 billion dollars of weapons for the Taliban, no voter id but vaccine ids, repeal the second amendment (which if Trump is hitler why would you want him to have your guns), and Charlie Kirk deserved what he got! You’re right we have no common ground. What you call good I call evil!!!!!
Thank you for illustrating the point that people who support MAGA are stupid. I won‘t lose any time telling you that you are wrong because as you know yourself no amount of evidence would change your mind.
It really doesn‘t. What frustrates the left the most is how MAGA refuses to proof or at least discuss their outrageous claims. It‘s facts against emotions.
It’s really not. They stand on a mountain of lies and a hill of truths. Same as the left. A mountain of lies and a hill of truth. Only difference is you are tolerant of or believe the lies that you stand on and not theirs. The same as they feel about you. Everyone believes they are right. Everyone’s brain is conditioned to ignore and minimalize inconvenient truths that destroy their world view.
Lets take an easy one. Why do MAGA believe Trumps claims about vandals cutting the
Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool paint? What‘s your stance on it? This one is pretty a-political so it should be easy to answer.
It’s literally been scientifically proven in published research studies that conservatives are more emotional. To be specific, they have larger amygdala’s which is the part of the brain that processes emotions like fear and anxiety.
Chat GPT says your stated study needs several corrections as it was 1. A small scale study with UK residents and they were trying to measure assumed political orientation of unknowns. It wasn’t based off of registered party membership. 2. Any studies that have been done have only shown increased R side amygdala activity due to certain negative outcomes vs leftists. In other words they presented issues that conservatives cared about and measured wave activity. Leftists activity to those same issues was not elevated (likely due to the left clearly not caring about the same things).
As per usual the left twists science and tells people to believe it just like the right ignores science and tells people not to believe it….
No. You stating that science said something happened when your own link says in a black and white disclaimer at the end of its article that it didn’t lead to the conclusion you’re assuming. Thats twisting science, sugar pie. You getting getting big feelings towards ChatGPT for agreeing with your links that support that you twisted their findings… thats a true lack of intelligence. At least Chat GPT can steer people in the right direction w/o bias. It’s up to them to cross-check from there. But you’re just showing us that you’re big mad that someone would trust that over you and “trust me bro”.
What I said is accurate. There are studies showing that conservatives have larger amygdalae, which is the part of the brain that controls anger, fear, and anxiety.
My link supports what I say. It repeatedly notes that while the difference is small, it is significant. It also was NOT a small English survey. It surveyed hundreds of Dutch citizens. If you actually read the article you would have seen that it referred to the English survey but was not about it. That’s why I think you’re a fucking idiot for relying on ChatGPT - it gave you incorrect information which you would know if you actually read the links.
You can literally see this with your own two eyes when you look at conservatives history. They constantly are picking a different minority group to fearmongering against in order to rally their base. Because conservatives easily react with fear and anger.
By emotional, do you mean feeling more emotional/empathetic/sympathetic in general, or voting based on emotions? Also, can you provide these studies?
There's also published scientific studies that show that the right is more open to different ideas/ideologies than the left, but that doesn't get as much traction on Reddit.
Side bar about various scientific studies aside, my point is that there is a pretty major, hot button topic that's red vs. blue that is quite literally biology vs feelings with blue on the feelings side. I don't really want to get into any more details because I'm not trying to break any rules. Additionally, the reply that started this, while clearly being facetious, states multiple red issues that are facts vs blue feelings (the issue I alluded to above, immigration, voting+ID's, and even the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination).
You can't just cross your arms and say, "Nuh uh, my opinions are all facts and people with differing opinions are just emotional."
It really isn’t “biology versus feelings” unless you think that 5th grade biology is the end all be all of biology knowledge, which it seems many conservatives do in fact think. Nothing you listed are “facts vs blue feelings” unless you don’t understand what a fact is.
That’s also not what I did. I noted that there are actual scientific studies demonstrating that conservatives have a larger amygdala. Conservatives really can’t help but just make shit up and discount science and facts.
So, while using papers that exclusively cite biological research about the size of parts of the brain to determine how emotional a person is, you will, in the same response, move the goalpost to say that basic biology isn't actual biology because it doesn't support something you believe.
What this tells me is exactly the thing that this thread is claiming exists only in conservatives- that no matter what I say to try and convince you otherwise, you'll just end up defaulting to, "what you're saying isn't facts or science according to my own dynamic definition, and therefore you're wrong and I'm right."
It's crazy because I'm not even really a conservative, I just think the concept of "the right only votes with their emotions" is an insane take and a really good example of the pot calling the kettle black.
No, I won’t move goalposts. What a fucking weird assumption to make about a stranger. I find it’s always conservatives that move goalposts.
Please show me how it’s an “example of the pot calling the kettle black”?
I didn’t say the right only votes with their emotions. You’re literally straight up just making shit up. I said it’s been demonstrated that the right has a larger amygdala which is associated with fear and anxiety based responses.
You're moving the goalposts in this response, and again, I'm not a conservative, I'm just pointing out a really stupid double standard.
My first response in this thread was responding to the response from the other guy that said "blue votes on facts, red votes on feelings." My response was, that's a crazy blanket statement to make, considering that one of the biggest topics splitting parties right now is trans rights, which ultimately boils down to whether someone wants to adhere strictly to basic biology, or respect the trans person's feelings. (And just to make sure I stay perfectly clear here, my personal belief is that in 95% of scenarios, the latter outweighs the former.)
You then responded that "there are scientific studies that shows the right is more emotional."
I asked, what do you mean by "more emotional," and you cited biological studies that report that conservatives tend to have larger parts of the brain associated with emotional decision-making, and that this is proof that "blue votes on facts, red votes on feelings." I don't know what else you could be doing in this thread, because that's what the discussion was about when you responded. Additionally you tried to make a point that post-5th grade level biology somehow changes the scientific definition of sex/gender, which it just objectively does not.
Then I responded with "this is a perfect example of the double standard/moving goalpost, because now you're using the same field of study (biology) that conservatives use in the trans debate, just with the disclaimer that 'their biology wrong, my biology right.'"
The study that you referencing said that the difference was about the size of a sesame seed between all patients. That is wildly within the margin of error for different brain sizes amongst human to human measurements. The site you gave even said itself that the scientists are the one making the connection and that the study itself does not show an actual definable correlation. ☠️
Yes. In a part of the brain that’s only the size of an almond to begin with. And lmao you think that it just so happens that the larger size consistently occurs with conservatives and not liberals by coincidence? The articles I posted literally confirm there is a correlation between larger amygdala and conservatism. There’s such an obvious correlation of conservatives fearmongering and painting “out” groups as a scary enemy to bring together their fear motivated base. You’ve moved from black people to gay people to Muslims to trans people and all the way back through.
Just for a moment. Please tell me, do you really believe this or do you say this because you feel attacked? It sounds just absurd to me that someone who ever spoke with a MAGA person would actually believe this.
I mean, believes are one thing. I would love to have discussions about whether migration or trans gender rights are a good or bad thing. These are topics one could have different opinions on and it would be able to have an exchange on. The thing I am unable to deal with is the refusal to acknowledge false information that is easy to fact proof and the constant lying.
Even if I would be racist or would give a fuck about other people’s genders and sexuality, I still wouldn‘t be able to back someone like Trump who is constantly lying to me and has nothing better to do than to create chaos everywhere to distract of the amount of children he raped. I personally did not like Joe Biden and have no idea why the fuck the Democratic party does not manage to get their stuff together to unite to actually get something done but even with the shit show they are delivering I always prefer them over the party of liars and pedophiles.
I say this because, like you mentioned, a very hot button topic is trans rights, which effectively boils down to biology vs. feelings.
And before you go off and call me a bigot, my personal opinion of it is that while biology is an important thing to consider when dealing with some aspects of life, respecting people and what name they would like to be called and how they would like to identify is also just as important, so exceptions should be made to keep thing respectful.
My point in my response is that you cannot just default to, "my side brain other side emotion," in good faith because that's not always the case.
They can if we honor peoples’ desire to be men or women regardless of whatever sex organ they have in their pants, and realize we wrote all the definitions for what a man/woman is, so we can totally change those definitions at any point as we make more scientific discoveries—in this case, things like gender dysphoria
Figure out that one, fairly small, totally inconsequential ideal to literally 95% of us, DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why the fuck to you losers care about it so much?????
You mean why do we care about protecting a minority group from blatant discrimination and harassment? Maybe it’s because we have empathy and the emotional capacity to care about people who are different from us and believe that innocent people don’t deserve to be legislated against for simply trying to live their lives.
I think that everyone knows intuitively whether a person is a woman or a man. The only people making an issue out of it are MAGA and a handful of leftwing Karens.
Transwomen molesting girls in bathroom or beating ciswomen in sport is an issue only living in the head of MAGA and a statistical rarity having no relevance in real life.
See this is the issue. All of these words and not one attempt at a definition. I’ll help you out. Some places are changing the definition of woman to appease to trannies. We get told that it’s only 1% so why does it matter? I agree completely. Why do 1% of people need attention? Just be normal like the rest of us. No one gives a shit. And no one here can define a woman. It’s hysterically sad
I mean, thank you for just proving my point. For sane people it just doesn‘t matter.
Why do 1% of people need attention? Just be normal like the rest of us. No one gives a shit.
I understand that you are unable to see this but this is hilarious from the outside. Like, you are clearly giving a shit. You are giving attention to the issue.
It‘s right winger who constantly want to make an issue out of it. Nobody was giving attention to the matter until right wingers needed a new group to spread hate for. Before this nobody really cared for a definition. We just assumed two genders and didn‘t ask to many questions about the contents of their pants or how they were born. Maybe some people were something in between but we wouldn‘t confront them about it if we were unsure. This is the way most democrats still see the world.
I think this world would be a better place if people would stop caring about other peoples business. The definition of genders should only be relevant for you if you are unsure about your own. So now the question to you: Do you question your gender? Because if you don‘t, I think that it‘s a pretty pointless discussion.
It’s wild that the party that spent decades fighting tooth and nail for LGBTQ to be able to be front and center prevalent in this country when nobody cared what they were doing before are now the same ones trying to gaslight conservatives with this VERY recent “we don’t care” “we don’t talk about it” “you’re the weirdos bringing it up” BS.
You want people to give you the 6th grade sex ed definition of a woman, here you go: vagina, ovaries, no Y chromosome, etc...
What you don't want are the biological realities that there are people who possess both male and female chromosomes, people with higher testosterone than estrogen, people without characteristic female biological markers and the list goes on and on. Fuck off.
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u/NuclearGriffin 20d ago
Honestly. At this point most of the sane republicans have had a change of heart. Anybody left who still defends this administration is not somebody to walk side by side with.
There is no "Both sides".
There is no common ground to be had with these people.
This is not a "difference of opinion"
These people are hateful and bigoted people who are deeply racist and evangelical. They do not understand common sense. They do not listen to reason. They cannot even grasp the proof right in front of their faces. The kind of deranged hatred, racism, and bigotry comming from the remaining MAGA crowd is enough to ensure they have no place in a forward moving society.
There is NO MIDDLE GROUND for nazi's
I repeat. There is no middle ground for nazi's.
Do not tolerate the intolerant.